Poll of the Day > Should the powers at be tell us the world is about to end?

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hypnox
06/27/22 11:49:34 PM
#1:


Should they tell us?



Whats your thoughts?

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Count_Drachma
06/27/22 11:57:14 PM
#2:


Yes, for epic last-minute panic and craziness.

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hypnox
06/27/22 11:59:12 PM
#3:


Also, If you voted we should have a vote, how do you feel it should work? Like a yearly vote, every two years? One and done?

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DirtBasedSoap
06/28/22 12:28:16 AM
#4:


if it is truly about to end and there is nothing we can do about it, i would rather not know and just die in ignorance

https://youtu.be/2SUwOgmvzK4

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ZangsBeard
06/28/22 12:51:31 AM
#5:


Fuck yes. I wouldnt go to work anymore.

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Straughan
06/28/22 12:55:07 AM
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They won't. Read any book on statecraft and you'll realize they think they're more evolved and better than us. They are the ruling class. To them, we are expendable and to be ruled over. Feudalism never ended. They just changed the buildings around.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/28/22 12:58:32 AM
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Straughan posted...
They won't. Read any book on statecraft and you'll realize they think they're more evolved and better than us. They are the ruling class. To them, we are expendable and to be ruled over. Feudalism never ended. They just changed the buildings around.
the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

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fishy071
06/28/22 2:26:35 AM
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I think they should.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/28/22 2:46:24 PM
#9:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

The Agricultural Revolution was far, far worse.

Basically, we need to stop having revolutions.

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Nade Duck
06/28/22 3:10:22 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Agricultural Revolution was far, far worse.

Basically, we need to stop having revolutions.
we just need one good one, we can turn things around!

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Lokarin
06/28/22 3:12:43 PM
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It's always better knowing, so you can better prioritize.

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Muscles
06/28/22 3:27:21 PM
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I don't think governments should keep any secrets from the public (at least long term, I understand sometimes they need to keep covert military shit a secret while it's going down), we have a right to know what's going on with our lives

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_Kaz
06/28/22 4:39:27 PM
#13:


Lokarin posted...
It's always better knowing, so you can better prioritize.

Only if you know how. Some people deal with knowing by... Panicking.

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Dikitain
06/28/22 5:21:49 PM
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*Remembers people panic buying toilet paper*

Better to keep people ignorant to it...

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JixHedgehog
06/28/22 6:10:58 PM
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A vote?

So they'll come out and tell us something big may or may not happen and they want people to vote on it?

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Lokarin
06/28/22 7:45:38 PM
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_Kaz posted...
Only if you know how. Some people deal with knowing by... Panicking.

As someone who has panic attacks and knows people with panic attacks... Panic is more useful than ignorance.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
06/28/22 9:03:44 PM
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That's all they do and I'd very much like them to stop.

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GanonsSpirit
06/28/22 9:50:18 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
A vote?

So they'll come out and tell us something big may or may not happen and they want people to vote on it?
If the majority of people vote yes, they launch all the nukes.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/28/22 10:58:38 PM
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Ehh, since we're talking about the end of the world and people knowing about it in advance, here's a video I just watched earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVOTPAxrrP4



Lokarin posted...
As someone who has panic attacks and knows people with panic attacks... Panic is more useful than ignorance.

Ignorance is much more effective for maintaining order and security, though.

Panic can motivate positive action, but it can also incredibly disruptive and destructive. Especially when you're dealing with large panicking mobs.

If it's the literal end of the world, panic would be utterly useless, because there would be absolutely nothing of value you could accomplish to change anything. You'd just make the time before the end much, much worse for pretty much everyone.

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Firewood18
06/28/22 10:59:12 PM
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I think there are 3 robot archivist/tourists that answered that question.

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Count_Drachma
06/29/22 1:22:25 AM
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Straughan posted...
They won't. Read any book on statecraft and you'll realize they think they're more evolved and better than us. They are the ruling class. To them, we are expendable and to be ruled over. Feudalism never ended. They just changed the buildings around.

tbh, all you have to do is hear some politicians speak to pick up on it. You have politicians unironically calling tax breaks "handouts," which suggests they believe 100% of a private citizen's money should belong to the government.

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Revelation34
06/29/22 2:08:47 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Ehh, since we're talking about the end of the world and people knowing about it in advance, here's a video I just watched earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVOTPAxrrP4


I'm terrified.

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TheFalseDeity
06/29/22 3:20:34 AM
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That sounds like a good way to get the world to end with a massive spike in crime so id say no.

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Krazy_Kirby
06/29/22 3:50:10 AM
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it's the end of the world as we know it

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KodyKeir
06/29/22 5:36:13 AM
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Muscles posted...
I don't think governments should keep any secrets from the public (at least long term, I understand sometimes they need to keep covert military shit a secret while it's going down), we have a right to know what's going on with our lives

We largely live in a post secret world, the problem is there is so much information, you can tell people the truth and it will only have minimal effect proportional to the people that it reaches. For most people they have nothing but to shrug their shoulders and keep living, and those with actual power to do things have their own agenda that may not necessarily involve what is best for the commonwealth.

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ganondorf77
06/29/22 5:40:30 AM
#26:


everything should be chosen by people, no matter what. Where is the concept of politic representation otherwise? There should be a referendum in advance,

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IqarP15
06/29/22 6:47:32 AM
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If the powers at be told us that which is the 1% probably wouldn't bother. Then again the rich are going to be poor and the poor are going to be rich.

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Revelation34
06/29/22 6:56:32 AM
#28:


KodyKeir posted...


We largely live in a post secret world, the problem is there is so much information, you can tell people the truth and it will only have minimal effect proportional to the people that it reaches. For most people they have nothing but to shrug their shoulders and keep living, and those with actual power to do things have their own agenda that may not necessarily involve what is best for the commonwealth.


The "truth" like "vaccines cause autism" or "the earth is flat"?

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Straughan
06/29/22 7:04:41 AM
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I like to pretend the earth is flat and think how it would unfold. It's hard to suspend disbelief, but I can do it when I'm sleepy. My mind trails off a lot and I have to remember to think about what I was thinking about.

I had a dream that I lived in Elden Ring and our worlds were connected yesterday. It was so good. I got go team up with Melina and Rennala could read my mind and tell me about Earth ancient past. It was cool because it was like Stargate and Xenogears too.

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KodyKeir
06/29/22 7:05:36 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
The "truth" like "vaccines cause autism" or "the earth is flat"?

Yes, in the sense that information also exists and competes for time with reality, but truth like corporations do not have your best interests in mind and pollution will fundamentally change our society for the worse.


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kangolcone
06/29/22 7:23:15 AM
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Big assumption that they are competent enough to know.

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Muscles
06/29/22 9:54:31 AM
#32:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
If it's the literal end of the world, panic would be utterly useless, because there would be absolutely nothing of value you could accomplish to change anything.
It would give people the opportunity to spend time with their loved ones before the end

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KJ StErOiDs
06/29/22 10:12:10 AM
#33:


No; Id prefer to not know something like that. Nothing to me is worth knowing my definite date of death.

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KodyKeir
06/29/22 10:19:48 AM
#34:


KJ StErOiDs posted...
Nothing to me is worth knowing my definite date of death.

If someone invented a machine that could predict down to the nano second, your moment of death, you would refuse to use it.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/29/22 11:09:18 AM
#35:


KodyKeir posted...
We largely live in a post secret world, the problem is there is so much information, you can tell people the truth and it will only have minimal effect proportional to the people that it reaches.

Worse than that. Based on everything we know about human psychology, people are actively resistant to the truth.

First, humans tend to prioritize information we receive in the order we receive it - so if someone feeds us misinformation, we're more likely to continue to believe it even if we are later shown definitive evidence disproving the misinformation or proving an alternative. The harder you try to convince someone that something they believe is wrong, the harder it actually causes them to believe it.

Second, humans are much more likely to believe information that seems to fit a narrative. Even if something is a tragic accident or ridiculous coincidence, humans will always look for patterns and assume they've found them (even when there was no pattern in the first place). It's why we always need villains for our assumptions about the world, why we often tend to assume deliberate malice rather than mere stupidity or ineptitude. Worse, if we can't find someone to blame, we generally stop caring about the story at all. This is what fuels most conspiratorial thinking - the idea that everything needs to fit neatly into a story that makes sense.

Third, humans are far more likely to believe information that appeals to their emotions than they are information that appeals to their logic and reason. This is why rhetoric is a thing, and one of the most powerful tools in political discourse (and yes, every political side uses it, not just the one you dislike). Something doesn't have to make sense so long as it makes you feel. And dispassionate attempts to disprove emotional arguments will almost always fail.

And as a tangentially related fourth, we've reached a point as a culture where there is far more information flowing on a regular basis than any single human can hope to process. Optimists used to talk about how the Internet would usher in a new golden age because it would allow everyone access to the sum total of human knowledge, implying that everyone would be far more educated and informed. But optimists are usually wrong and always stupid. Because there's no real curation on the Internet or direct means of separating false information from accurate information, the massive flow of data has simply led to a massive signal-to-noise ration that makes it difficult to distinguish between truth and falsehood (and thus reinforcing the three problems listed above). Additionally, the Internet provides near-infinite distractions, so rather than researching important things, people are far more likely to go look at cat pictures or watch streaming videos or complain about stuff on message boards or Twitter.

Ironically, the massive storehouse of all human knowledge and information seems destined to make humans more ignorant, not less.

And now it's time to post this again!

https://www.anorak.co.uk/359349/keyposts/huxley-vs-orwell-the-comic-inspired-by-neil-postmans-amusing-ourselves-to-death.html

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ParanoidObsessive
06/29/22 11:22:56 AM
#36:


Muscles posted...
It would give people the opportunity to spend time with their loved ones before the end

It would also give other people the opportunity to rape and murder your loved ones before the end.



KodyKeir posted...
If someone invented a machine that could predict down to the nano second, your moment of death, you would refuse to use it.

To be fair, while you're addressing their specific comment, it's also worth noting that there's a difference between one individual knowing the moment of their death and everyone knowing the moment of their death (and that moment being more or less the same time for everyone).

One person will selfishly exploit their knowledge for personal satisfaction knowing that society will go on without them (and spending time with loved ones or acting to provide for their future is more meaningful when they'll actually go on without you). But everyone knowing for a fact that literally nothing will matter after tomorrow because there won't be anything after tomorrow is an entirely different phenomenon with entirely different results.

If one guy knows when he's going to die all you really have to worry about is him running up a ton of debts he knows he's never going to repay and then maybe doing something exceedingly dangerous or aggressive on his way out. But if you tell everyone that the world is going to end in about a week, then you're basically causing society and civilization to end today.

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Kyuubi4269
06/29/22 11:34:02 AM
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Yes, but because it would be funny, not because the world is actually going to end.

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Muscles
06/29/22 1:02:18 PM
#38:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
It would also give other people the opportunity to rape and murder your loved ones before the end.
Doesn't matter tbh, it could happen anyways seeing as it happens all the time without that imminent threat. I would rather have all the info and decide for myself what to do than have the government decide for me.

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