Poll of the Day > Star wars- Finn should have been the main character

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Buddyblade
06/25/22 10:48:25 PM
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Instead of a generic Jedi- in training, how about someone who had a decent idea for a character. Now just give him something more intresting to fight than Empire 2.0, give him some proper character development, and make him more than the token black guy. Boom, fixed sequel trilogy

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Straughan
06/25/22 10:54:24 PM
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I said this from the beginning. I liked Rey, but Finn was supposed to be the underdog that turned into legendary Jedi that became one with the force and FUCKING KICKED UNHOLY ASS!! FUCK YEAH! FUCK YEAH!!

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I think people would've loved Finn as the hero so much more. It would've changed the entire opinion of the audience.

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JixHedgehog
06/25/22 11:02:13 PM
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The story of a regular ol Storm Trooper becoming a good guy and eventually having the Force?

Sounds like it would've been a good idea for a Disney+ show if his story wasnt already told

But you never know

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Muscles
06/26/22 12:18:23 AM
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Rian Johnson ruined him by giving him a completely pointless (failed) side quest with an annoying new sidekick

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Zareth
06/26/22 12:21:24 AM
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Yeah imagine not putting the main character on the poster.

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Metalsonic66
06/26/22 12:24:31 AM
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Poe should have been the main character

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Zareth
06/26/22 12:26:34 AM
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Anyone know if Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker did worse in China after they realized there were black actors in the trilogy?

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Straughan
06/26/22 12:33:54 AM
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But he has such a good face for it too. He really looks like a hero. Some people just have it. John Boyega definitely has it. He's got that cool British accent too.

When Denzel came on the scene people just knew. That's why the Equalizer movies are so good. He looks and carries himself like the heart of his character. It's inspiring.

Even when he's kinda the bad guy in Training Day, American Gangster, He Got Game, and Man on Fire, he still has it. You just like some people. I like John.

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Zareth
06/26/22 12:35:24 AM
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Eh he's more of an anti-hero in American Gangster. And he's definitely the villain in Training Day.

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Count_Drachma
06/26/22 7:35:24 AM
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Finn was lousy regardless, although I'm not sure it'd make things all that much worse overall. Then again, I'm not sure there was a way to make a good story of it since the defection was always going to feel rushed and meaningless.

Metalsonic66 posted...
Poe should have been the main character

Would've been more interesting that way.

Straughan posted...
When Denzel came on the scene people just knew. That's why the Equalizer movies are so good. He looks and carries himself like the heart of his character. It's inspiring.

Even when he's kinda the bad guy in Training Day, American Gangster, He Got Game, and Man on Fire, he still has it. You just like some people. I like John.

He always had a bit of a villainous edge to him, sort of a jerk-ass quality. Kind of a natural villain.

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KodyKeir
06/26/22 7:45:56 AM
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Count_Drachma posted...
He always had a bit of a villainous edge to him,

Probably why he did so well in the new Macbeth movie.

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Bligh_with_no_T
06/26/22 7:49:44 AM
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Let's use the darkest day in decades for American women to talk about why a female protagonist in Star Wars is bad smh
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Revelation34
06/26/22 9:34:11 AM
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Bligh_with_no_T posted...
Let's use the darkest day in decades for American women to talk about why a female protagonist in Star Wars is bad smh


This was posted on the 25th.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/26/22 11:08:29 AM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
Let's not beat around the bush, we all know why Finn never became the main character.

Came in to say this. China doesn't like black people.

Completely removed from that issue, I was fine with Rey as main character - I just think she needed a better overarching plot (but that's true for pretty much every character in the sequels). But the best case scenario probably would have been turning Rey and Finn into co-leads.

Do intertwined storylines where Rey is training to be a Jedi while Finn and Poe go off and do buddy cop stuff together, and you've got a strong dynamic. I pointed this out in a different topic recently, but Rey is basically Princess Leia if she was raised on Tatooine instead of Luke. Poe is Han Solo without Han's dark side and with more of Luke's earnestness and morality. Finn could have easily been sort of a fusion of Han and Leia (Han's darker origins and slowly becoming a more noble, heroic figure, combined with Leia being a latent Force sensitive and not knowing it). Then you've satisfied this obsession everyone seems to have with things "rhyming".

Or you could go the KotOR2 route - have the group find Luke at the end of TFA, and then he trains all three of them. Have him basically be like "Oh, you're all Force Sensitive, all of you showing up at the same time must be the will of the Force". Then you can get training scenes where each of them learn in different ways (Poe has a hard time mastering stuff because he's too skeptical and materialistic, Finn has more of the comic relief screwing up scenes because he lacks self-confidence, and Rey can be the star pupil who learns everything a bit too quickly, which is worrisome in itself because it implies she's at risk of falling to the Dark Side, and explains why Kylo is interested in her). Give each one a different lightsaber color, different styles of fighting, each masters slightly different Force tricks, and so on. Then they all fit into different protagonist slots, and you can basically use all three as a team that needs to work together because none of them are strong enough to beat Kylo and Snoke alone, but together they can.

There are so many better ways to work with what they had after TFA. TLJ just picked the worst possible scenario and then ruined everything for anyone who followed afterward.

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Krazy_Kirby
06/26/22 11:24:55 AM
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would definitely be better than mace windu, who was just "angry black guy" jedi.

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Nichtcrawler-X
06/26/22 11:27:14 AM
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Perhaps would have made it too obvious he was more or less Kyle Katarn's Disney stand-on (at first).

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ParanoidObsessive
06/26/22 11:29:25 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
would definitely be better than mace windu, who was just "angry black guy" jedi.

Except he absolutely wasn't. If anything, he might have been better if he was.

Mace was passionless cardboard cutout Jedi. It doesn't matter how much the EU or supplemental stuff tells you that he's secretly brimming over with rage and channels that into his fighting style, almost nothing Samuel L Jackson does acting-wise conveys that. It's part of what makes Mace lame - he's dull.

Lucas deciding that the old Jedi Council was basically just a bunch of serene monks with little to no personality was a mistake. There were better ways to portray both the order and its members in the prequels that would have worked way better.

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Bligh_with_no_T
06/26/22 11:55:25 AM
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China doesn't like Star Wars at all, period. No Star Wars movie has made money there. I'm not sure it's fair to blame them for Finn.

I think there's clear bias in terms of how Disney chose to market the film in China, but I'm not sure they'd let that influence the main character choice. Black Panther still released there and was still incredibly popular.
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ReturnOfFa
06/26/22 12:38:16 PM
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They struggled with choosing a main character to the detriment of those films.

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Metalsonic66
06/26/22 12:58:03 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Except he absolutely wasn't. If anything, he might have been better if he was.

Mace was passionless cardboard cutout Jedi. It doesn't matter how much the EU or supplemental stuff tells you that he's secretly brimming over with rage and channels that into his fighting style, almost nothing Samuel L Jackson does acting-wise conveys that. It's part of what makes Mace lame - he's dull.

Lucas deciding that the old Jedi Council was basically just a bunch of serene monks with little to no personality was a mistake. There were better ways to portray both the order and its members in the prequels that would have worked way better.
I'm tired of these mothafuckin' battle droids on this mothafuckin' starship!

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ParanoidObsessive
06/26/22 1:33:09 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
I'm tired of these mothafuckin' battle droids on this mothafuckin' starship!

Hand me my lightsaber. It's the one that says "Bad Motherfucker" on it.

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Rotpar
06/26/22 2:12:09 PM
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I never wanted him to have Force powers, but yeah, I wanted Finn to be the hero of this story. Let the guy handy with a blaster and otherwise charismatic and smart be the protagonist and have the Jedi be the supporting character.

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ReturnOfFa
06/26/22 2:24:12 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Except he absolutely wasn't. If anything, he might have been better if he was.

Mace was passionless cardboard cutout Jedi. It doesn't matter how much the EU or supplemental stuff tells you that he's secretly brimming over with rage and channels that into his fighting style, almost nothing Samuel L Jackson does acting-wise conveys that. It's part of what makes Mace lame - he's dull.

Lucas deciding that the old Jedi Council was basically just a bunch of serene monks with little to no personality was a mistake. There were better ways to portray both the order and its members in the prequels that would have worked way better.
yea, they just came across as stupid lol

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Count_Drachma
06/26/22 4:10:27 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
This was posted on the 25th.

Bligh is just straight-up trolling anyway. You can write off 99.9% of everything he says.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Or you could go the KotOR2 route - have the group find Luke at the end of TFA, and then he trains all three of them. Have him basically be like "Oh, you're all Force Sensitive, all of you showing up at the same time must be the will of the Force". Then you can get training scenes where each of them learn in different ways (Poe has a hard time mastering stuff because he's too skeptical and materialistic, Finn has more of the comic relief screwing up scenes because he lacks self-confidence, and Rey can be the star pupil who learns everything a bit too quickly, which is worrisome in itself because it implies she's at risk of falling to the Dark Side, and explains why Kylo is interested in her). Give each one a different lightsaber color, different styles of fighting, each masters slightly different Force tricks, and so on. Then they all fit into different protagonist slots, and you can basically use all three as a team that needs to work together because none of them are strong enough to beat Kylo and Snoke alone, but together they can.

All three being Jedi would've been neat, but then they'd need more antagonists. Honestly, Kylo was pretty shit in general.

Bligh_with_no_T posted...
No Star Wars movie has made money there.

...lolwut?

Krazy_Kirby posted...
would definitely be better than mace windu, who was just "angry black guy" jedi.

He wasn't, though. Like at all. It was a very subdued performance.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Lucas deciding that the old Jedi Council was basically just a bunch of serene monks with little to no personality was a mistake. There were better ways to portray both the order and its members in the prequels that would have worked way better.

Just about everything about the prequels was a mistake.

Rotpar posted...
I never wanted him to have Force powers, but yeah, I wanted Finn to be the hero of this story. Let the guy handy with a blaster and otherwise charismatic and smart be the protagonist and have the Jedi be the supporting character.

Overlooking the guy with the blaster would be a letdown for a mainline SW film, Finn was just bland.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/26/22 6:57:11 PM
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Count_Drachma posted...
All three being Jedi would've been neat, but then they'd need more antagonists. Honestly, Kylo was pretty shit in general.

It's not like they made use of the ones they had. Phasma and Snoke were worse cases of wasted potential than Maul was.

Or the hype they had for the Knights of Ren, to the point where the fanbase were obsessively trying to connect them to the characters in Rogue One.

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Gaawa_chan
06/26/22 7:29:12 PM
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I think part of the reason the sequels are so disappointing to people is because you can see the potential in the bones of them that went completely unused. Real shame.

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Unit7
06/26/22 7:41:49 PM
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Finn had a great potential I think if they focused on his ex storm trooper days and him starting a rebellion amongst the other storm troopers. They set Phasma up as a great villain for him too.

instead of going to some gambling planet, why couldnt they have gone to a Storm Trooper training facility? Could have shown more about how the First Oder gets there recruits. Could have him befriending and helping turn others. Perhaps its just one of many such facilities and this one goes into full rebellion mode. Could have been a pretty big pay off in the final movie as it helps turns the tide.

The worst thing about the sequel trilogy will always be the bare bones of a great story are there, they just seriously fucked up connecting and fleshing it out.
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ForteEXE3850
06/26/22 8:11:42 PM
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His main character trait should have been something other then Rey fanboy.

But it's not like making him the main character would have saved the movies from being a disjointed mess with 2 writers fighting each other.

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darkknight109
06/27/22 2:41:06 AM
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John Boyega may have been the biggest waste of a talented young actor in all three movies. He displayed some pretty impressive acting chops in TFA... then, come TLJ, he was turned into the plucky comic relief character (and I say that as someone who generally *liked* TLJ) and that was still somehow an improvement over his treatment in TRoS. Honestly, I feel like Abrams wasn't paying attention at the end of TLJ and just assumed Finn died... then only found out right before filming in TRoS that he didn't and had to just go, "Uh... uh... y'know what, just follow the other heroes around and make the occasional snappy one-liner! That'll work!"

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Except he absolutely wasn't. If anything, he might have been better if he was.

Mace was passionless cardboard cutout Jedi. It doesn't matter how much the EU or supplemental stuff tells you that he's secretly brimming over with rage and channels that into his fighting style, almost nothing Samuel L Jackson does acting-wise conveys that. It's part of what makes Mace lame - he's dull.

Lucas deciding that the old Jedi Council was basically just a bunch of serene monks with little to no personality was a mistake. There were better ways to portray both the order and its members in the prequels that would have worked way better.
Agreed, mostly. The Jedi in the prequels were such a fucking waste.

Really, though, Samuel L. Jackson struck me as a big miscast for a Jedi. You could have cast him in any number of interesting roles that actually played to his strengths - bounty hunter, Republic general, crime boss - but Jedi just seemed like a bad matchup for him. He put as much Samuel L. Jackson magic into Mace as the character allowed (which is to say almost none), but it just felt tremendously forced and boring.

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Lokarin
06/27/22 2:41:40 AM
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Yeah, Finn and Jake in StarWars land!

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