Poll of the Day > The father of that 14 year old boy who fell out and died at that orlando

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which? r.i.p.

Theres not really a precedent for tearing down rides that kill people.

Remember that Batman ride at Six Flags that someone got beheaded because of? Granted, they werent riding it, and they simply got kicked by someones foot as they flew overhead, but still

PK_Spam posted...

Theres not really a precedent for tearing down rides that kill people.

Remember that Batman ride at Six Flags that someone got beheaded because of? Granted, they werent riding it, and they simply got kicked by someones foot as they flew overhead, but still

you dudes think they will tear it down? by most accounts it was operator error not ride error

Its the least they could do.

I think they should at least add a secondary safety device to a ride like that because operator error WILL happen. No one is perfect at their job. And it's crazy that simply being too fat was enough for this boy to slide completely out. Put one of those dick buster stoppers on the seat or something damn

Jen0125 posted...

I think they should at least add a secondary safety device to a ride like that because operator error WILL happen. No one is perfect at their job. And it's crazy that simply being too fat was enough for this boy to slide completely out. Put one of those dick buster stoppers on the seat or something damn

yeah i mostly agree with you. you're a fan of drop tower thrill rides? i am

CedarPointcp posted...

yeah i mostly agree with you. you're a fan of drop tower thrill rides? i am

I love amusement park rides in general. I went to Marine Land in Canada when I was 12 and they unsafely let me on a Rollercoaster where I proceeded to pass out and almost slip from the harness to my death. I have a little perspective here. It took me a few years to be able to go to an amusement park after that.

Jen0125 posted...

I love amusement park rides in general. I went to Marine Land in Canada when I was 12 and they unsafely let me on a Rollercoaster where I proceeded to pass out and almost slip from the harness to my death. I have a little perspective here. It took me a few years to be able to go to an amusement park after that.

When I was little I rode on a coaster with my dad that just had a single lap bar across both riders. Well when one of the riders is a grown adult and the other is a scrawny 8 year old, that bar isn't going to do anything to restrain the kid. We went down the first hill and into a turn and I slid right under the bar and onto the floor of the car...scared the bejesus out of my dad.

rjsilverthorn posted...

When I was little I rode on a coaster with my dad that just had a single lap bar across both riders. Well when one of the riders is a grown adult and the other is a scrawny 8 year old, that bar isn't going to do anything to restrain the kid. We went down the first hill and into a turn and I slid right under the bar and onto the floor of the car...scared the bejesus out of my dad.

Yeah this type of thing I don't think is uncommon, unfortunately, and that's why there should be a lot of safety measures in place.

Accidents happen. Make the ride more safe and that's it.

Jen0125 posted...

I love amusement park rides in general. I went to Marine Land in Canada when I was 12 and they unsafely let me on a Rollercoaster where I proceeded to pass out and almost slip from the harness to my death. I have a little perspective here. It took me a few years to be able to go to an amusement park after that.

Oh wow, that Dragon Coaster? I only ever ride it once as a kid, I had no idea it was unsafe. That's scary.

HeroofDark posted...

Oh wow, that Dragon Coaster? I only ever ride it once as a kid, I had no idea it was unsafe. That's scary.

Yes, it was. I'm sure the ride itself was not unsafe but I was a small 12 year old and didn't meet the weight and size requirements. The staff and my parents still let me on. The only reason I survived is because my mom pushed me down while I was floating up and she put her arm over my chest to hold me for the rest of the ride

CedarPointcp posted...

by most accounts it was operator error not ride error

If a ride allows operator error to kill people, that's a ride error. Especially when "operator" doesn't mean a skilled engineer who's been extensively trained in the safe operation of the device, it means some teenager getting paid minimum wage after being trained by a slightly older teenager making slightly more than minimum wage. That means operator errors are pretty inevitable and need to be planned for.

Jen0125 posted...

I love amusement park rides in general. I went to Marine Land in Canada when I was 12 and they unsafely let me on a Rollercoaster where I proceeded to pass out and almost slip from the harness to my death. I have a little perspective here. It took me a few years to be able to go to an amusement park after that.

crap. this is why certain places have a zero-tolerance policy for letting people on rides that don't meet the height stick. though I'm not entirely sure why height is the important factor.

So the kid was over the weight limit and the ride operator let him go anyway? Less user error, more manslaughter imo.

And no, they shouldn't tear the ride down.

was he unable to read the sign saying there is a weight limit?

I remember as a kid getting on some large carnival ride and feeling like I was going to fall out because the harness was not squeezing me at all and felt really loose.

I held on for dear life to the overhead bar like contraptions

PK_Spam posted...

Theres not really a precedent for tearing down rides that kill people.

Remember that Batman ride at Six Flags that someone got beheaded because of? Granted, they werent riding it, and they simply got kicked by someones foot as they flew overhead, but still

And then there's Action Park.



Jen0125 posted...

I think they should at least add a secondary safety device to a ride like that because operator error WILL happen. No one is perfect at their job. And it's crazy that simply being too fat was enough for this boy to slide completely out. Put one of those dick buster stoppers on the seat or something damn

The problem is that safety devices aren't necessarily foolproof either. And people tend to get even more lax about safety when they assume the safety measures will handle everything. Odds are that ride DID have multiple safety factors, and one or more of them failed (potentially due to operator error, poor maintenance, or just poor design).

I was once at a park and watched the guy in front of me get on a ride, and he was so fat he literally broke the safety harness as they were strapping him in (and I stepped right the fuck off that line and never rode that ride again). But if it had held at first and only snapped once the ride started, then they would have had the false illusion of safety and he could have been killed once the ride was going.

Arguably what we kind of need is a "weight limit"/"you are too fat to ride this ride" restriction the same way we have height restrictions, but then you'd have people whining and crying about how that's body shaming and they're being discriminated against. Safety harnesses aren't really designed to fit around people who are as wide as they are tall - and trying to make them "one size fits all" just increases the potential failure points.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The problem is that safety devices aren't necessarily foolproof either.

No, but this is a silly argument against more safety devices if it's reasonable.

This ride did not have more than one safety feature in the seating area. It had an over the chest securing device with no lap bar, seat belt or crotch stopper thing. He literally just slid out of the bottom of the harness.

This ride did have a weight limit. The error is completely on the operator.

Have you watched the video or looked up the ride? A lot of what you're saying is not applicable.

I'm surprised hundreds of people didn't die at Action Park over the years, it's one reason why it was probably open for so long. The death count was low as hell for such an unsafe park.

PK_Spam posted...

Remember that Batman ride at Six Flags that someone got beheaded because of? Granted, they werent riding it, and they simply got kicked by someones foot as they flew overhead, but still

What the fuck

AltOmega2 posted...

What the fuck

That isn't the full story. What happened was the individual who got killed had their hat fly off while they were riding and it fell in a restricted area where the path of the coaster goes. They jumped the fence to get their hat and a coaster train was coming through with riders. A rider's leg or foot impacted their head and it decapitated them. Idk if it was internal or a full decapitation.

So unfortunately that was negligence entirely on the park guest.

adjl posted...

If a ride allows operator error to kill people, that's a ride error. Especially when "operator" doesn't mean a skilled engineer who's been extensively trained in the safe operation of the device, it means some teenager getting paid minimum wage after being trained by a slightly older teenager making slightly more than minimum wage. That means operator errors are pretty inevitable and need to be planned for.

A ride error is when the ride has either been maintained poorly, is very old, or is poorly designed in some way. An operator error means that the operator screwed up, or made an earnest mistake. A guest error is when the guest makes a stupid decision that causes them injury or death.

Sahuagin posted...

crap. this is why certain places have a zero-tolerance policy for letting people on rides that don't meet the height stick. though I'm not entirely sure why height is the important factor.

Because some people can't fit in the restraints correctly due to being too small/skinny/fat. Better to have an upset person, then a dead one.

Jen0125 posted...

That isn't the full story. What happened was the individual who got killed had their hat fly off while they were riding and it fell in a restricted area where the path of the coaster goes. They jumped the fence to get their hat and a coaster train was coming through with riders. A rider's leg or foot impacted their head and it decapitated them. Idk if it was internal or a full decapitation.

So unfortunately that was negligence entirely on the park guest.

imagine accidentally kicking someones head off through no fault of your own

wild

i wonder if their foot got fucked up

Adam_Savage posted...

i wonder if their foot got fucked up

I think her leg was shattered and in like a cast and brace for a while I think they had pictures from afterward

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And then there's Action Park.

The problem is that safety devices aren't necessarily foolproof either. And people tend to get even more lax about safety when they assume the safety measures will handle everything. Odds are that ride DID have multiple safety factors, and one or more of them failed (potentially due to operator error, poor maintenance, or just poor design).

I was once at a park and watched the guy in front of me get on a ride, and he was so fat he literally broke the safety harness as they were strapping him in (and I stepped right the fuck off that line and never rode that ride again). But if it had held at first and only snapped once the ride started, then they would have had the false illusion of safety and he could have been killed once the ride was going.

Arguably what we kind of need is a "weight limit"/"you are too fat to ride this ride" restriction the same way we have height restrictions, but then you'd have people whining and crying about how that's body shaming and they're being discriminated against. Safety harnesses aren't really designed to fit around people who are as wide as they are tall - and trying to make them "one size fits all" just increases the potential failure points.

I agree with you. As a large person myself, I do not go onto Amusement Park rides anymore. There should be a weight limit on every ride. The last Amusement Park I went to, had a height and age limit on some of the rides, but no weight limit.