Board 8 > Sonic Origins new songs for Sonic 3 are now out

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ninkendo
06/21/22 9:40:23 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAWQdhbLiI

to finally get Sonic 3 released again Sega was forced to dump all the Michael Jackson music (Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base) and basically remastered the music that was in the prototype version and PC versions of Sonic 3

Yeah they're not as good, but I guess this is the price that must be paid to finally have be able to be re-released again

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Zigzagoon
06/21/22 9:47:00 AM
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Man, did they even try with these tracks? Those were some hot garbage...

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HashtagSEP
06/21/22 10:09:41 AM
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Zigzagoon posted...
Man, did they even try with these tracks? Those were some hot garbage...

I think the issue is that they didn't make new music to actually replace the missing tracks and try to sound near them at all, they just went back to the original tracks from before the problematic ones were put in. However, because we're used to the ones they can't use, we automatically try to compare the alternate tracks to those, when they were never intended to be.

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Nanis23
06/21/22 11:11:23 AM
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As long as Flying Battery Zone 1 remains the same everything is fine

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GameBopAdv
06/21/22 11:26:30 AM
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As someone who's a big fan of the PC versions & the prototypes I'm... kind of disappointed? Also kind of busy so these thoughts may be kind of rushed. But like, the prototype Carnival Night tracks were wildly different from the PC version and way more fun, but here it seems like they were directly referencing the PC versions? Meanwhile, Launch Base Zone act 2 was also pretty different from the prototype and I preferred the PC version personally (I may be somewhat alone in this), but this time they kept with the melody of the prototype, unfortunately for me. And Ice Cap Zone, which I was most interested in hearing a "completed" version of since that seemed the most unfinished, especially when comparing the two acts, was pretty much unchanged and still feels somewhat "unfinished".

My guess of what happened is they decided to play things far, far too close to the old audio tapes they had made originally for the songs back in the original production, ignoring the extra work later done in Carnival Night in the prototype, Launch Base in the PC version, and any extra work that -needed- to be done in Ice Cap or in general

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StifledSilence
06/21/22 11:37:13 AM
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Those songs dont even have that Genesis flare to them. Sounds more like something 8-bit like Master System.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/21/22 11:43:58 AM
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Awww. This sucks. I kind of appreciate that they remastered the less good prototype ones though. The prototype ones were never terrible, but they're just not as good.

I wonder how they had no trouble with the rereleases of this game before without changing the music until now though

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UshiromiyaEva
06/21/22 11:46:35 AM
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I yearn for the day we can stop saying he "allegedly" made them now that they've finally had to take the tracks out of the damn thing.

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PrinceKaro
06/21/22 12:39:07 PM
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but didn't he compose hydrocity as well? that is still the original

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/21/22 12:59:34 PM
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They updated Hydrocity's song too.

https://youtu.be/JUHVzJVZzlU

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WazzupGenius00
06/21/22 1:17:18 PM
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these sounds weirdly muted compared to the prototype versions

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JackMan
06/21/22 1:38:23 PM
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This makes the fact that they delisted the version of Sonic 3 with the original audio even worse.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/21/22 1:40:37 PM
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Eh, it may also be an issue with the music if they're delisting it now. Maybe they had requested to renew the rights on those and this time they said "Nah" which meant they were now aware they have been using the originals in these re-releases.

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Xiahou Shake
06/21/22 1:41:27 PM
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Can't wait to mod the MJ music back in

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StartTheMachine
06/21/22 1:58:28 PM
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oooof ruining the best Sonic game of all time

I lost 75% of interest in this now

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andylt
06/21/22 2:07:47 PM
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There's an original music dlc pack for this game though, I assume that's the legit stuff.

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StartTheMachine
06/21/22 2:18:45 PM
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andylt posted...
There's an original music dlc pack for this game though, I assume that's the legit stuff.
So they can legally include it and just chose not to for the sake of paid DLC? That just makes this even worse

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Leonhart4
06/21/22 2:28:00 PM
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StartTheMachine posted...
So they can legally include it and just chose not to for the sake of paid DLC? That just makes this even worse

I'm assuming they have to pay usage rights to include it at this point so this is probably a measure to offset the costs.

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StartTheMachine
06/21/22 2:30:08 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
I'm assuming they have to pay usage rights to include it at this point so this is probably a measure to offset the costs.
I suppose that makes sense but the game is already $40. Ehhh, better to have it in some form at least. Kinda interesting to be able to have these prototype songs if you get both.

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JackMan
06/21/22 2:33:58 PM
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andylt posted...
There's an original music dlc pack for this game though, I assume that's the legit stuff.
If youre talking about the Classic Music Pack, apparently thats Additional music tracks from Mega Drive / Genesis titles (73 tracks from Sonic Spinball, Chaotix and Sonic 3D Blast)


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PrivateBiscuit1
06/21/22 2:52:17 PM
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Okay I was willing to forgive this MJ music being replaced.

But I'm sorry this is complete bullshit and yes it is real.

https://twitter.com/SNick_WT/status/1539244654658469891?s=20&t=gbhLr6mVPUCsIn1SegyqoQ

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XIII_rocks
06/21/22 4:28:40 PM
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StifledSilence posted...
Those songs dont even have that Genesis flare to them. Sounds more like something 8-bit like Master System.

Genuinely, I thought something similar. It reminded me of like the Game Gear music.

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WazzupGenius00
06/21/22 6:24:48 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Okay I was willing to forgive this MJ music being replaced.

But I'm sorry this is complete bullshit and yes it is real.

https://twitter.com/SNick_WT/status/1539244654658469891?s=20&t=gbhLr6mVPUCsIn1SegyqoQ
Okay now I'm all for extending that song so it's not the same four second loop for minutes at a time but why did they rearrange it

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most_games_r_ok
06/21/22 6:26:45 PM
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Eeewwww new music sucks and sounds like the gamegear Sonic games.

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GANON1025
06/21/22 7:19:17 PM
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Was not a fan of any of that new music, besides Launch Base Act 2

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DeepsPraw
06/21/22 7:46:18 PM
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Why do they sound significantly worse than the Genesis prototypes? Those were beginning to grow on me (except proto-Icecap, that one is a travesty)

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/21/22 7:53:28 PM
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I don't think that Jun Senoue, the guy who does a lot of the Sonic music, can really do good chip tune music. Just look no further than Sonic 4 for that. I think he does exceptionally well with a guitar and regular instruments though, judging by like... every other game's music he's worked on.

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banshiryuu
06/21/22 9:00:25 PM
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please just dont fuck launch base 2 up please just dont fuck launch base 2 up please just dont fuck launch base 2 up

oh thank god its like basically the same as the prototype it seems, the others are literally worse than the prototypes but all the others are whatever so i don't really care lol
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/23/22 12:18:12 PM
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well

that's a gaming mystery officially solved

https://twitter.com/nakayuji/status/1539944869862354944?s=20&t=VmCOqEMZ6ayklLaESCCVvw

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GameBopAdv
06/23/22 1:24:02 PM
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Huh, one reason why these "remasters" of the prototype songs might sound so poor is because they may not have been remastered at all! Apparently someone was able to make a perfect recreation of the Launch Base Act 1 song be kind of "demaking" the song from the Nov 3 1993 Prototype -- changing the instruments to their default settings and removing a couple of audio channels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amLQuJJGp44

This kind of implies that these are simply just songs from an even earlier prototype, potentially the one sent to the folks that worked on the original PC Collection judging from Carnival Night Zone. That would mean this is kinda more of a lost media type of situation, which is a little fascinating. But also rude. These songs belong in the museum part of the game, not the actual game itself! I wanted to hear completed versions of the prototype songs, not ones that are even more unfinished! Imagine if the other zones had their unfinished counterparts too, like Angel Island or Mushroom Hill from the Nov 3 1993 Prototype. Actually, I'd be curious to hear just how unfinished the other zones would've been from this theoretical older prototype...

(Also dang if that were the case, why is it this older prototype that's getting used for things and not the more completed Nov 3 one? I kinda want to hear how PC versions of those Carnival Night Zone songs could've turned out, too)

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Nanis23
06/23/22 1:44:51 PM
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Question

Because they decided to be sons of bitches, they pulled the original games from the digital stores
So assuming you didn't buy those games before, then now you can't play those stages with the original music legitimately?
This is pretty lol

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