Poll of the Day > Do Star Wars fans deserve their reputation as the worst fanbase?

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Kotenks
06/20/22 4:03:51 PM
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Are Star Wars fans the worst?


Star Wars fans have gained a reputation for being impossible to please and full of hate. Many of the recent products like The Last Jedi, Solo, and Boba Fett have received heavy backlash from fans. Kelly Marie Tran received death threats for her portrayal of Rose Tico. Recently the Star Wars official twitter has made statements condemning homophobia and racism in the Star Wars fanbase. It's been said by some that the toxic fandom is killing Star Wars and that Star Wars fans are the worst.

But are Star Wars fans really the worst?

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Nade Duck
06/20/22 4:08:42 PM
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no. a good portion of the time they're complaining it's actually legit. harassing the actors is shitty as hell, but steven universe fans still have them beat there.

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slacker03150
06/20/22 4:13:28 PM
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How could they with the sonic fan base around?

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Judgmenl
06/20/22 4:13:36 PM
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Don't know why they would be considered the worst fanbase.

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DevilSummoner1
06/20/22 4:14:06 PM
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They're pretty bad, but I don't know about worst.

Kotenks posted...
the toxic fandom is killing Star Wars

That and Disney :>

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VampireCoyote
06/20/22 4:14:35 PM
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Most fan groups are pretty obnoxious

imo the worst is Doctor Who though, also Magic the Gathering

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DevilSummoner1
06/20/22 4:14:42 PM
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slacker03150 posted...
How could they with the sonic fan base around?

What makes the Sonic fandom worse?

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Muscles
06/20/22 4:18:23 PM
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Star Wars had pretty much ranged from good but flawed to downright awful since the OT and its mostly stuff that could have easily been avoided if Lucas and later Disney actually gave a shit about their diehard fan base. In Disney's case it wasn't just putting out an unrefined mess but straight up slapping fans in the face.

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VampireCoyote
06/20/22 4:25:01 PM
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The problem with Star Wars is that as a franchise it has never really strongly defined WHAT Star Wars is in any meaningfully definitive way.

So no matter what a lot of fans are always gonna be pissed off about what is released because it isnt what THEY think Star aware should be.

Personally I hope they focus more on individual stories like Rogue One and Solo, since those were a lot more entertaining than the last couple trilogies.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/20/22 4:29:27 PM
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any given anime fanbase is significantly worse

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MrMelodramatic
06/20/22 4:38:06 PM
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Flawed premise. Anyone who has interacted with fandoms outside of the super mainstream would never say Star Wars is the worst fandom.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/20/22 4:40:37 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
no. a good portion of the time they're complaining it's actually legit.

This, so very much.

Being a fan doesn't mean being willing to swallow whatever feces they shovel at your face while smiling the whole time. Being a fan doesn't mean ignoring blatant problems and acting like a mindless drone showering creators with unearned positivity. Being a fan doesn't mean being morally obligated to love (or pretend to love) every single facet of whatever it is you're a fan of.

Fans can (and should) be willing to point out when something is bad, and explain why it's bad. Because complaining about those things is the only way those things will ever be fixed. And when the thing you're a fan of has mostly been hot garbage for 20+ years, you're probably a bit justified when it comes to complaining about it.

If Disney wants fans to stop being negative about Star Wars, maybe Disney should actually put more effort into making Star Wars something worth being positive about.

If anything, I find fanatical positivity and the desire to shout down or punish anyone who dares be critical of the thing you love to be far more toxic and disgusting than fans being negative about the thing they love. It's more of a pathological cult mentality than it is someone actually enjoying something on its own merits.

I tend to see most cases of "Oh, the fanbase is so toxic!" online as a bullshit excuse mostly used by soulless executives and creatively bankrupt pretentious artists who are selling a substandand product and who are deliberately attempting to divert blame and reframe the narrative, because the alternative is to actually accept responsibility for the mess they themselves created. And that makes them sad! So it must be someone else's fault. It's you're fault for not loving terrible things, you toxic monster!

Star Wars fans are just as justified to complain about Star Wars as comic book fans are justified to complain about how much comics suck these days, or Doctor Who fans complaining about how the show has been mostly shit since Moffat took over, or Game of Thrones fans complaining about how the show took a nosedive into terrible writing after the show overtook the books, and so on. All of those people are right.



DevilSummoner1 posted...
That and Disney

Mostly Disney.

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wwinterj25
06/20/22 4:41:57 PM
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I'm not well versed in the Star Wars fanbase but I assume there is worse.

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TheFalseDeity
06/20/22 5:03:00 PM
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Not even remotely to me. Despite being one of the largest fanbases there is, and despite me not liking Star Wars thus generally ending up with not as happy of interactions with them by default, by and large i need reminders that they exist at all. If they were really so god awful they would stand out more.


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DarkBuster22904
06/20/22 5:54:26 PM
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The biggest problem in the Star Wars fandom is that their media managers only seem to know how to throw gasoline on fires.

Star Wars fans are notoriously critical of minitia; that's well known. And when you javelin a media franchise as absolutely, globally ENORMOUS as Star wars, the simple law of probability dictates that you're going to reel in a lot of shitheads. Racists, sexists, psychopathic keyboard warriors sending in death threats. That's what happens when you cast a wide net.

The biggest problem I see is that for the last several controversies the franchise has seen... every single one of them has been made monumentally worse AFTER Disney responds. Kelly Marie Tran, Rey being a Mary Sue, these issues were mostly just rumblings and grumblings until Disney and their outlets closed ranks and plastered callouts all over the front pages of everyone's feed. As we speak, I can guarantee that while Moses Ingraham wasabsolutely getting unwarranted shit before, she's DEFINITELY getting a lot more after Daddy Disney made it a hugely public issue and painted a big old target on her head. Their media managers fundentally don't understand the Streisand effect, and keep sending out giant blaring beacons BEGGING for the worst of the audience to behave even more badly.

Short story, they're feeding the trolls.

And I do believe that a part of this is intentional. By broadcasting and exacerbating the issue, they do give themselves a massive shield from legitimate criticism of their product. Sympathy goes a long way in the market place, and given Disney's historical treatment of their actors, I am under no delusions that any of their mealy-mouthed "solidarity" messages are anything close to genuine.

That said, everyone sensing racist shit and death threats to every woman or person of color are legitimately awful people, and deserve to be called out and much worse. I just think Disney's handling of all of these situations has, historically, only doused the fires with gasoline instead if water.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/20/22 5:57:41 PM
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PO is correct. labeling a fanbase as toxic is a corporate tactic to deflect legitimate criticism.

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Bligh_with_no_T
06/20/22 6:02:25 PM
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All the posters who endlessly bitch about life think the fans are fine, neat
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DirtBasedSoap
06/20/22 6:05:53 PM
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Bligh_with_no_T posted...
All the posters who endlessly bitch about life think the fans are fine, neat
the last Jedi sucked ass. accept it son

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11110111011
06/20/22 6:07:23 PM
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Disney is solely responsible for the Star Wars decline.

All Disney Star Wars is non-cannon. There are only six movies, and of course the novels.
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ParanoidObsessive
06/20/22 6:42:20 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
The biggest problem in the Star Wars fandom is that their media managers only seem to know how to throw gasoline on fires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7KZnsvFD88



DarkBuster22904 posted...
And I do believe that a part of this is intentional. By broadcasting and exacerbating the issue, they do give themselves a massive shield from legitimate criticism of their product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3FF_vBwftw



11110111011 posted...
All Disney Star Wars is non-canon. There are only six movies, and of course the novels.

Drop three of those films and all but three of the novels and I'd agree with you.

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hypnox
06/20/22 6:46:08 PM
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I don't really follow fanbases or get involved with any that much. Only thing Star Wars related that I have a problem with as far as the fans are concerned with is the whole "Storm Troopers always miss" bullshit. A meme based on false information is just stupid IMO and the fact they had that scene in the Mandalorian Honestly made me stay away from all things Disney/Star Wars.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/20/22 6:52:35 PM
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hypnox posted...
A meme based on false information is just stupid IMO

But why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mount Doom?

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hypnox
06/20/22 6:55:53 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
But why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mount Doom?

I never read the books so I don't know enough about the eagles to make a comment on that meme.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/20/22 6:58:56 PM
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hypnox posted...
I never read the books so I don't know enough about the eagles to make a comment on that meme.

Trust me, it's about as equally stupid.

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Muscles
06/20/22 7:12:15 PM
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hypnox posted...
I never read the books so I don't know enough about the eagles to make a comment on that meme.
More or less boils down to 2 points, 1) flying giant eagles into enemy territory on a stealth mission is a good way to get caught, especially when they have flying beasts of their own and 2) the eagles are sentient beings that probably wouldn't have agreed to it

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ParanoidObsessive
06/20/22 7:35:49 PM
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Muscles posted...
More or less boils down to 2 points, 1) flying giant eagles into enemy territory on a stealth mission is a good way to get caught, especially when they have flying beasts of their own and 2) the eagles are sentient beings that probably wouldn't have agreed to it

It also boils down to the fact that it's explicitly brought up at the Council of Elrond in the books and Gandalf literally says it's a terrible idea. Same as just giving the Ring to Tom Bombadil.

Added to the problem that the movies create by omission - Gandalf can't actually summon the eagles. Gandalf's only rescued from Orthanc by Gwaihir because Radagast asked Gwaihir to go there to deliver a message to Gandalf. Gandalf wouldn't have had any way to ask the eagles to help in the first place, without spending tons of time trying to find Radagast (who is actively in hiding by that point). And even then Radagast doesn't just magic them up - he'd have to find one and ask it to pass a message along, and so on. Meanwhile, Gondor's falling and Rohan's burning and everything's fucked because the Fellowship was too lazy to walk.

Basically, Peter Jackson ruined everything.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/20/22 7:44:09 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
But why didn't they just fly the eagles to Mount Doom?
Tolkien actually gave a really good answer on this that most people seem to either not remember or completely ignore.
https://youtu.be/1-Uz0LMbWpI

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captpackrat
06/20/22 9:00:19 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/6/AAQwHjAADXTA.jpg

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VampireCoyote
06/20/22 9:03:14 PM
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the eagles wanted the ring for themselves

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hypnox
06/20/22 9:22:05 PM
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captpackrat posted...
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Honestly I can see people not caring when it comes to shows, movies, books and stuff. But I never understood people being assholes for games. More so for multiplayer driven games. Its like they don't realize that a toxic community will keep players away from the game thus killing its life span. Honestly thats why I recently went towards Dota 2 in stead of LoL, I mean Dota 2 community isn't the best. But its loads better than LoLs.

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Kotenks
06/20/22 9:29:29 PM
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hypnox posted...
Its like they don't realize that a toxic community will keep players away from the game

some people prefer gatekeeping

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hypnox
06/20/22 9:42:44 PM
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Kotenks posted...
some people prefer gatekeeping

Which is stupid. Because no new blood means the game is in decline. Hard to play a game when the community dries up.

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Krazy_Kirby
06/20/22 9:43:19 PM
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fandom didn't kill it, the trash movies did

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hypnox
06/20/22 9:49:49 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
fandom didn't kill it, the trash movies did

Pretty sure Star Wars is alive and well.

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Muscles
06/20/22 9:53:04 PM
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hypnox posted...
Pretty sure Star Wars is alive and well.
Nope, it's just a corpse Disney is showing off at this point

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Link_of_time
06/20/22 9:54:09 PM
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Id say so. Not that they dont have anything to complain about, but even before Disney they were a pretty horrid bunch. Everyone's seemed to have forgotten about their behavior during the prequels.
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Rotpar
06/20/22 10:20:49 PM
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Fandoms can be really terrible in the first place. And there's going to be shithead extremists who do stupid shit like threaten actors over characters. Star Wars gets the most flak because it's probably the biggest, practically-original fandom.

Disney has done nothing good for the franchise. They don't care enough to even try to write it and then shoehorn their politics into everything.

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VampireCoyote
06/20/22 10:26:40 PM
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Muscles posted...
Nope, it's just a corpse Disney is showing off at this point

someone hasnt watched The Mandalorian

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Zareth
06/20/22 10:28:47 PM
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The eye of Sauron would have shot the damn eagles out of the sky

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Krazy_Kirby
06/21/22 3:07:45 AM
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hypnox posted...


Pretty sure Star Wars is alive and well.


yeah, and Bernie was alive for all of weekend at Bernie's

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ParanoidObsessive
06/21/22 7:31:02 AM
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hypnox posted...
Pretty sure Star Wars is alive and well.

Alive? Sure.

Well? Ehh.

Sometimes... dead is better.

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Conner4REAL
06/21/22 8:41:31 AM
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Any real Star Wars fan would have ceased to be a Star Wars fan with either of the followinfg:
1- the day they saw spaceballs
2- when Disney tried to cancel the slave leia bikini.

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SomeUsername529
06/21/22 8:53:09 AM
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Star Wars has been a downhill journey since Empire Strikes Back. Return of the Jedi is still good but its worse than Empire and every single entry in the film franchise has been significantly worse than that. All the tv and videogame stuff is either also trash or would be good (or better) as original IP.

Star Wars fandom doesn't suck because they're whiny nerds. It sucks because its centered around an empire of garbage and adult childishness. If people over 40 couldn't pay for Star Wars media/merchandise then it would die and that's bad for media that should be consumed primarily by children.

Star Wars also is not the worst fandom. All fandom is terrible once its big enough. Sonic fans suck. Anime nerds suck. LoL fans suck. Comic book nerds suck. Sports nerds suck. MAGA nutjobs suck. TikTok "socialists" suck. They all suck.
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aHappySacka
06/21/22 10:28:49 AM
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No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans and I imagine the hate that George Lucas got for Episode 1 contributed to his decision to sell the rights to Disney and leave it in the hands of someone who has no idea what they're doing and only cares about being catering to the "wider" audience.

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darkknight109
06/21/22 12:38:49 PM
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I don't think anyone considers Star Wars fans to be the worst fanbase. I can, off the top of my head, name at least a dozen that outstrip them in terms of toxicity, unpleasantness, and general weirdness.

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darkknight109
06/21/22 12:46:08 PM
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Rotpar posted...
Disney has done nothing good for the franchise.
Rogue One was good. I've heard good things about The Mandalorian, though I've never watched it myself. TFA was pretty well received overall; TLJ had a more coloured reception, but had its fans. Galaxy's Edge is supposed to be amazing, if wildly overpriced.

I'd characterize Disney's record on Star Wars so far as "checkered" - some good, some bad, a handful of great things, and some truly awful things (Episode IX topping that particular list).

Honestly, though, the best thing they did is take the franchise away from Papa Lucas, who, by the end of last decade, seemed to be deliberately trying to find ways to make the franchise worse and annoy the fans. Say what you will about Disney, at least they've stopped the practice of going back and fucking with the originals every few years, which, at this point, are pretty much the only Star Wars product that are near-universally considered good. And for whatever people's opinions on the sequels are, they will never come close to matching the utter putrescence of the prequels in my eye.

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Revelation34
06/21/22 1:01:55 PM
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darkknight109 posted...

Rogue One was good. I've heard good things about The Mandalorian, though I've never watched it myself. TFA was pretty well received overall; TLJ had a more coloured reception, but had its fans. Galaxy's Edge is supposed to be amazing, if wildly overpriced.

I'd characterize Disney's record on Star Wars so far as "checkered" - some good, some bad, a handful of great things, and some truly awful things (Episode IX topping that particular list).

Honestly, though, the best thing they did is take the franchise away from Papa Lucas, who, by the end of last decade, seemed to be deliberately trying to find ways to make the franchise worse and annoy the fans. Say what you will about Disney, at least they've stopped the practice of going back and fucking with the originals every few years, which, at this point, are pretty much the only Star Wars product that are near-universally considered good. And for whatever people's opinions on the sequels are, they will never come close to matching the utter putrescence of the prequels in my eye.


It was good but the Stormtroopers were too accurate.

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agesboy
06/21/22 2:44:12 PM
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Zareth posted...
The eye of Sauron would have shot the damn eagles out of the sky
https://youtu.be/EC0lLR6EaLo

the eagles didn't even appear until sauron was defeated and they were hard to hunt due to a lack of air forces on sauron's part

it's not like the eye of sauron can physically do anything to them, and he was 100% convinced aragorn had the ring anyways

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Bligh_with_no_T
06/21/22 3:22:06 PM
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The eye of Sauron didn't exist in the books, it was a metaphor.
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