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Big Bob
06/19/22 10:33:10 PM
#1:


Which match caused the most controversy?










Define controversy however you'd like. I also understand some years were more controversial than others, but I tried to pick one per contest.

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LeonhartFour
06/19/22 10:35:23 PM
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http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWins.jpg
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWinsBoard.jpg

There's only one answer.

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KamikazePotato
06/19/22 10:35:35 PM
#3:


The site outage kinda guarantees that Draven wins

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LeonhartFour
06/19/22 10:36:08 PM
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I'm not even sure it's the most controversial Draven match because of the stuff that happened with Allen's wife during the Mewtwo match...!

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NFUN
06/19/22 10:38:51 PM
#5:


megalovania vs despair of elferia

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KamikazePotato
06/19/22 10:55:11 PM
#6:


LeonhartFour posted...
I'm not even sure it's the most controversial Draven match because of the stuff that happened with Allen's wife during the Mewtwo match...!
This is a fair point. I guess for me the Draven stuff all kinda rolls together into one awful memory, but the site outage is what I remember the most as being the turning point of no return

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LeonhartFour
06/19/22 11:06:05 PM
#7:


If we're talking truly "controversial" results in terms of stuff where people think the result was legitimately tainted, there are only a handful.

You have Samus/Sonic 2002, Mario/Crono 2003, Link/Draven, and that might be it.

(not to say there aren't other results where it seems like blatant cheating was involved, but those have largely been forgotten or just don't get brought up as much. Look at the end of Frog/Axel or Crono/Vincent 2008, or Mario 1/Mario 3/Mario World/Zelda 1, and those late trends are definitely suspicious)

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Big Bob
06/19/22 11:12:01 PM
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Uh, Starcraft/WW counts, it just didn't come out until after the fact.

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Axl_Rose_85
06/19/22 11:24:05 PM
#9:


Voted Mario/Crono

How was BotW/Witcher III controversial? Because there was a little bit of rallying?
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LordoftheMorons
06/19/22 11:25:17 PM
#10:


LeonhartFour posted...
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWins.jpg
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWinsBoard.jpg

There's only one answer.

Man, even though every B8er has been here forever I only recognize like five of those posters

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swirIdude
06/19/22 11:26:44 PM
#11:


Mario/Crono 2003 because it went on too long and Mario won because of it.

Link vs Draven is going to win for the sheer audacity of the forever unconfirmed DDOS attack but that's less controversial and more of an atrocity.

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PrinceReva
06/19/22 11:34:59 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWins.jpg
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWinsBoard.jpg

There's only one answer.

This is indeed the correct answer.

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Underleveled
06/19/22 11:35:02 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
If we're talking truly "controversial" results in terms of stuff where people think the result was legitimately tainted, there are only a handful.

You have Samus/Sonic 2002
Remind me again why people think that about this match?

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scarletspeed7
06/19/22 11:37:59 PM
#14:


Shepard got robbed

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LeonhartFour
06/19/22 11:44:22 PM
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Underleveled posted...
Remind me again why people think that about this match?

Poll was delayed by two hours, and a lot of people think Sonic would have benefited from the poll starting on time due to that being the early morning in Europe.

also Samus erased a 1500 vote lead in 3 hours, so there was a lot of backlash once the poll ended and CJayC declared the result was final since that felt highly suspicious

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redrocket
06/19/22 11:54:20 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Poll was delayed by two hours, and a lot of people think Sonic would have benefited from the poll starting on time due to that being the early morning in Europe.

also Samus erased a 1500 vote lead in 3 hours, so there was a lot of backlash once the poll ended and CJayC declared the result was final since that felt highly suspicious


It was also the first contest match to generate significant offsite rallying, to the point CJayC actually yelled at people to knock it off (lol).

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LeonhartFour
06/19/22 11:54:48 PM
#17:


the hero this site deserves

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Underleveled
06/20/22 12:02:04 AM
#18:


LeonhartFour posted...
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWins.jpg
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioWinsBoard.jpg
God I miss those days. At any given moment there were hundreds if not thousands of users on this board.

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azuarc
06/20/22 12:51:45 AM
#19:


NFUN posted...
megalovania vs despair of elferia

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BlueCrystalTear
06/20/22 1:18:37 AM
#20:


The board meltdown that happened when Draven won was the worst nuclear war I'd seen here since pikagate.

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Leonhart4
06/20/22 1:31:46 AM
#21:


But yeah, basically any scenario where the match didn't last the full allotted time and it may have cost the loser the match are the main results that feel "tainted" one way or another. I'm not sure there's another one besides those three.

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NominateMoogIes
06/20/22 1:38:37 AM
#22:


Leonhart4 posted...
But yeah, basically any scenario where the match didn't last the full allotted time and it may have cost the loser the match are the main results that feel "tainted" one way or another. I'm not sure there's another one besides those three.


I mean, Mario cheated against all Square characters in the first contest, and its not particularly relevant that Nintendo fanboys 20 years later say he didnt.
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XIII_rocks
06/20/22 1:51:59 AM
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I agree that the three where time got weird stand well apart from the rest in terms of controversy.

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ffmasterjose
06/20/22 2:49:55 AM
#24:


Vivi crushing Mario still confuses me personally

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squexa
06/20/22 3:11:15 AM
#25:


Link/Shepard/Draven for sure.

Was BotW/Witcher 3 even controversial? Bloodborne/RE2 and Tifa/MMX were probably the two most controversial matches post-2015.

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Cavedweller2000
06/20/22 3:44:03 AM
#26:


Was Draven really almost 10 years ago??

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FL81
06/20/22 4:38:32 AM
#27:


Draven was sort of a turning point for GameFAQs as a whole, since it showed that this website's influence had shrunken enough to the point where we could easily be rallied by outsiders

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NominateMoogIes
06/20/22 4:48:12 AM
#28:


FL81 posted...
Draven was sort of a turning point for GameFAQs as a whole, since it showed that this website's influence had shrunken enough to the point where we could easily be rallied by outsiders


By Easily you of course mean literally DOXXED in connection with an absolute worthless coward in charge of the site, thats also an idiot that created 3 ways and 4 ways that NO ONE asked for. Because without his amazing everlasting incompetence, Link wins easy. Even with the cheating. It took his brain dead lying self to make ALL 3 mistakes for Draven to win*

Though you are right about it being a turning point. Prior to that only myself and a few others stemming from the rampant cheating in L Blocks run and Vincent-Crono said Bacon was literal trash that lacked the acumen to even run a lemonade stand, after Draven* admittedly tons of the rest of the site saw the obvious as well.
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Big Bob
06/20/22 10:43:33 AM
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I basically slotted BotW/WIII since I was keeping to one per year and there really wasn't anything of note past the others in the poll.

And I'm glad everyone accepts Deus Ex not winning by enough as the controversy it truly was.

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Ngamer64
06/20/22 11:19:50 AM
#30:


The ones that didn't start/end on time or had mysterious site outages certainly generated the most outrage at the time, but I went StarCraft due to the blatant cheating/scripting making it the most illegitimated long Contest run we've ever seen.


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Underleveled
06/20/22 1:49:01 PM
#31:


I'm kinda surprised that Ryu Hayabusa vs Jill Valentine isn't considered more controversial than it is, for a match with a double-digit vote-difference (and very briefly was the closest match of all time) that was outright restarted. I guess it's because the result we got was from a 24-hour match with nothing particularly suspicious happening, but for a match that could have gone either way on any given day, I'm surprised it doesn't generate a little more talk.

There's also Frog vs. Master Chief, which CJayC basically admitted came down to which side was stuffing harder at the bell.

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Leonhart4
06/20/22 2:19:11 PM
#32:


I think Hayabusa/Jill is considered more of an oddity than a controversy since it didn't appear to have any impact on the outcome.

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squexa
06/20/22 2:31:22 PM
#33:


Its also a first round match by midcarders and Ryu lost the next round. The most controversial matches usually have noble nines involved or if one of them makes a deep suspicious run.

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swirIdude
06/20/22 2:56:22 PM
#34:


Though Ryu H/Jill was largely expected to be a 3 point pick because the winner was going to beat Sora, who struggled with Aeris.

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Yesmar_
06/20/22 3:32:26 PM
#36:


Kefka Vs. Vercetti deserves a mention too for being one of the few times votes were removed. It made me distrust "statistical analysis" of vote trends to a degree, as I remember people insisting that the BARRIERS vote trends were completely statistically sound, and not a sign of cheating.

You also had the George Romero interview afterwards where he claimed to have previously stuffed for Samus against Sonic, Mario against Cloud and Crono in 2002/03, and for Crono against Mario in 2004, IIRC. He also claimed to have tried stuffing against Starcraft, but that there was an even more powerful force stopping him from having any effect, lol.


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Underleveled
06/20/22 4:05:41 PM
#37:


With all those high profile matches he claimed to have influenced, you have to wonder how and why it was a 1-point match between two absolute midcarders that he got sloppy enough on to get caught.

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Leonhart4
06/20/22 4:45:50 PM
#38:


Kefka/Vercetti is also the reason we don't have instant updates anymore.

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06/20/22 5:11:52 PM
#40:


Does anyone have the image someone made of Link vs Draven, guest starring Shepard?

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Leonhart4
06/20/22 5:26:42 PM
#41:


Peak Albion was him claiming in the Hogger match that Ramza gained votes on him for a while because he left to make a sandwich.

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Yesmar_
06/20/22 5:34:27 PM
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Yeah, I don't think the Romero/Albion claims are real either. Whomever was stuffing in Kefka/Vercetti most likely had to practice first, as in the Ganondorf/Yuna match a couple days earlier Yuna kept getting random vote spikes every hour on the hour (or at some specific time hourly), and people surmised that someone was testing out stuffing possibilities.

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Axl_Rose_85
06/20/22 10:40:40 PM
#43:


Big Bob posted...
And I'm glad everyone accepts Deus Ex not winning by enough as the controversy it truly was.

The only controversy was Rock Band 2 should have won because of how embarrassing Deus Ex fans were acting despite Deus Ex being the better game.
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Raka_Putra
06/20/22 10:51:52 PM
#44:


That time Mulan won.

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_SecretSquirrel
06/20/22 11:20:48 PM
#45:


Leonhart4 posted...
But yeah, basically any scenario where the match didn't last the full allotted time and it may have cost the loser the match are the main results that feel "tainted" one way or another. I'm not sure there's another one besides those three.
REmake 2 vs. Bloodborne from the last contest as well.

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Leonhart4
06/20/22 11:43:26 PM
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Oh yeah, that match did start 10 minutes late, didn't it? I had forgotten about that.

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xp1337
06/20/22 11:47:30 PM
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I think it's still Mario/Crono II but Link/Draven gives it a run. That site outage is still ridiculously sus but Mario/Crono II had it all man. fucked up match times, that male/female poll redirecting to the match (hell was that even real or just some urban myth that got adopted into the mythos? I don't recall), the history from 2002, ending at 50.05% again...

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LeonhartFour
06/20/22 11:54:38 PM
#48:


xp1337 posted...
was that even real or just some urban myth that got adopted into the mythos? I don't recall

it was definitely mentioned in the aftermath of the match itself so it wasn't something retroactively added to the lore

whether that script actually existed or not, who knows

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xp1337
06/21/22 12:00:37 AM
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Oh, I know it was mentioned in the aftermath, but we had plenty of BS mentioned in real-time back then that was just patently false so who knows. I remember the real-time "explanations" for Starcraft's 1500 vote cut on Melee lol.

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LeonhartFour
06/21/22 12:23:55 AM
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yeah I have no idea

I dug through the old Stats Topic archives to see if it was mentioned anywhere but it wasn't

it's kind of fun to read old Stats Topics just to see how differently we viewed the contests then compared to now

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