Board 8 > So the DCEU is still a slow-motion trainwreck

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Is there honestly ANYTHING they could do to make it work? Any attempt to follow on from Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad will scare audiences who hated them away, while distancing the franchise from the pre-2017 stuff only serves to alienate the built-in audience. Zack Snyder's Justice League doesn't count, it was a relatively low-budget streaming release.

The more I think about it, even if you magically ignore Ezra Miller's legal troubles that Flash movie is shaping up to be a disaster. And it is GLORIOUS.

Peacemaker is 10x better than any of the Marvel Disney + shows and last I checked people generally liked The Batman. They're doing fine.

colliding posted...

Peacemaker is 10x better than any of the Marvel Disney + shows and last I checked people generally liked The Batman. They're doing fine.

This.

Shazam did well, there's a lot of momentum behind Black Adam. This is the sort of bizarre vulture circling that may end up being right, but what joy is there in it? Why spend any bandwidth on taking enjoyment in seeing other people fail? You have to be a pretty pathetic iota of a human being to call any of that glorious, especially the siutation with Ezra Miller that involves a missing minor who has been off the radar for too long for this story to end well. The fact that there's a user who is relishing that verges on psychotic. There are real human beings involved in this; I am hugely disturbed by this disgusting response to what's happening, LMS. Take a good long look in the mirror and try and determine if this is what you want to be - a cretin that delights in the misfortune of others.

Yeah, the Ezra Miller stuff was extremely problematic but still kinda funny when they were being arrested for assault repeatedly and had restraining orders but nothing serious ever happened to them because of their celebrity status, but this is entirely over the line and actually kind of horrifying because how does this end in any way other than some kind of disaster? Ezra is a violent, unhinged, manipulative person. Like something legitimately terrible is going to happen when it comes to a close, and it's a little scary to consider what exactly it may be. The fact they felt the need to run away in light of these serious allegations from the parents just screams guilt to me, and then taunting the people trying to bring them in is even more awful.

Concerning the movie, what does DC even do now? The movie is done and I just don't know what you do now aside from pitching the whole thing. You actively can't promote this film at this point in any way. The fact that WB hasn't stepped in over this or said anything is pretty gross too. Like I understand the money involved but this is extremely serious and they should be making an action at this point. My only belief is that they're afraid if they say anything against Ezra, it may end poorly for the young person involved, but that's giving WB a lot of credit.

I'm just praying for the best outcome for this, but it seems extremely unlikely.

Last I heard people saying Ezra has 2 accusations and of grooming underaged people (1 boy and 1 girl) and has gone missing aka is avoiding authorities which is pretty terrible if true

Here's an article detailing just how bad this situation is. It's legitimately horrifying that this young person is missing with Ezra. They're completely out of their mind.

https://lastrealindians.com/news/2022/6/10/chief-bear-testifies-ezra-miller-groomed-my-niece

Just stick with Batman and/or Batman adjacent characters that seems to work.

I guess they could try reshooting everything with another actor instead of Ezra like when Kevin Spacey was replaced in "All the Money in the World." Depends on which option would theoretically lose less money for them.

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and last I checked people generally liked The Batman

Isn't The Batman not actually part of the DCEU?

https://brobible.com/culture/article/ezra-miller-no-future-with-warner-bros/

There is no winning in this for Warner Bros, one studio source tells us. This is an inherited problem for Zaslav. The hope is that the scandal will remain at a low level before the movie is released, and hope for the best to turn out.

Yeah just disgraceful. I give no credit to WB.

But the DCEU will still keep truckin' on don't you worry your pretty little head about that.

Ive seen people say they can leave Ezra in and just do a post credits scene with a new Flash replacement. Might be the route they go to avoid reshoots and spending lots more money.

Don't worry I don't think any of this is LMS' opinion since he is incapable of forming his own. He'll just need to tell us which YouTube rando said this and we can shame them instead

remember that Zack Snyder zombie movie where they had to edit out Chris delia and digitally replaced him with Tig Notaro?

they should just digitally replace Ezra with Tig Notaro

There are plenty of other characters that can be the Flash next time. Ezra Flash died.

just pull a post-credits Poochie scene

MoogleKupo141 posted...

remember that Zack Snyder zombie movie where they had to edit out Chris delia and digitally replaced him with Tig Notaro?

they should just digitally replace Ezra with Tig Notaro

All the Money in the World famously fully replaced Kevin Spacey with Christopher Plummer mere days before release, and it mostly wasnt even edits, they fully reshot his scenes. Not only did the movie release on time, it actually wound up being pretty good and Plummer got an oscar nomination.

It can absolutely be done, it just costs a lot of money. And frankly it should be done, because I have a hard time seeing The Flash get released as is with the current situation ongoing and they shouldnt be promoted even if the studio decided it was viable to release it.

It does seem like the series is cursed, given how all of its actors keep ending up in weird circumstances.

Sorry I didn't mean to make light of the whole Ezra Miller fiasco. I do personally find it hilarious how much bad publicity the Flash movie is getting before it's even out, but I feel like it's shaping up to be a BvS-level disaster anyways.

(have I actually seen BvS? Not fully, but I have like no desire to anymore. The days when I wanted to watch the early DCEU films out of sheer bile fascination are done)

I guess I should clarify since I didn't elaborate why I think The Flash is going to suck. To me the emphasis on all the extra characters reeks of not having enough faith in the title character or his actor (even discounting the bad press) to carry a movie - EXACTLY the same hole Batman v. Superman dug itself into by being the follow-up to Man of Steel instead of a second Superman movie, which was only exacerbated when Wonder Woman's and Doomsday's roles in the plot were spoiled in trailers beforehand. With speculation surrounding The Flash possibly writing the Snyderverse out of existence while simultaneously repeating one of Batman v. Superman's sins...this is worse than I thought. THAT is what's glorious. There's nothing glorious about Ezra Miller's legal problems.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

To me the emphasis on all the extra characters reeks of not having enough faith in the title character or his actor (even discounting the bad press) to carry a movie

*looks sideways at No Way Home*

Fair, but Garfield's and Maguire's involvement wasn't officially known beforehand. Plus, at least those two are also Spider-Man. I'm getting BvS vibes here moreso than NWH ones.

I think the problem here is that much of this board doesn't follow movie news a whole lot, so a lot of what I write comes out of left field as a result. I'll also admit I was partially inspired to make this topic by seeing the first Wonder Woman for the first time recently and having seen 1984 first, it really felt like Patty Jenkins needed others like Zack Snyder to cover up her worst excesses. Wonder Woman clearly fit into Snyder's plan, but the stench of Batman v. Superman caused the DCEU to move forward by excising the Snyder-isms which led to stuff like the theatrical cut of Justice League (refuse to call it 'Josstice League') and Wonder Woman 1984. I also feel like Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad flopped financially because of being associated with Suicide Squad in the first place along with not having the things that made that movie so popular to begin with.

I can assure you that that is not the problem

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I think the problem here is that much of this board doesn't follow movie news a whole lot, so a lot of what I write comes out of left field as a result.

There's a difference between news and what you post.

And if you think The Suicide Squad "flopped", you've forgotten it came out at the height of the pandemic and was also released on HBO Max. I mean, come on, dude.

I know this is like 10 years later but why DIDNT they just use The Flash from the show?

I dont think theres a real reason. Ive heard Snyder didnt think he was a fit for his vision of The Flash and that they were also keeping the CW a separate universe from the movies, but probably nothing to really find there. He likely was never even approached about it

scarletspeed7 posted...

There's a difference between news and what you post.

And if you think The Suicide Squad "flopped", you've forgotten it came out at the height of the pandemic and was also released on HBO Max. I mean, come on, dude.

Fair, but it's still a $185 million R-rated follow up to a critically-panned movie. That was always going to limit its audience.

Also I suppose by "news" I should have meant general goings-on.

It was the most-streamed HBO Max project ever.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I know this is like 10 years later but why DIDNT they just use The Flash from the show?

WB is not going to pin what they hope to be a billion dollar franchise on a CW show.

Its kinda funny because Grant Gustin even in S1 is a way better Flash than Miller has been in the movies. Millers Flash is just terrible.

bryans7 posted...

WB is not going to pin what they hope to be a billion dollar franchise on a CW show.

But this CW show is better than 90% of the DCEU, so jokes on them?

Wentworth Miller was also a really good Captain Cold.

The CW Flash show actually had pretty good picks for a lot of characters. Biggest issue the show has is writing quality, but almost every CW superhero show suffers from that after the first two seasons.

Smh

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I think the problem here is that much of this board doesn't follow movie news a whole lot, so a lot of what I write comes out of left field as a result.

Most definitely not the problem.

I'd say the majority of us do indeed keep up with movie news, we just don't repeat what we hear on youtube and instead form our own opinions to express. For instance, we all knew what was going on with Ezra before you made this topic, and you didn't even mention anything about the actual situation in your op.

LMS would you believe me if I told you that pretty much everything you talk about is not news to us?

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I think the problem here is that much of this board doesn't follow movie news a whole lot, so a lot of what I write comes out of left field as a result.

God I love you LMS

Are there actually people who won't see a movie because one out of the thousands who worked on the movie is a scumbag?

"one of the thousands" seems like an interesting to way to play off "the lead actor". It's not like he did catering or something or was one of thirty guys doing cgi in the third car chase.

TomNook posted...

Are there actually people who won't see a movie because one out of the thousands who worked on the movie is a scumbag?

The people who worked on it have already gotten paid.

I think Ezra Miller is more than just a scumbag at this point, and there's no reason to watch a movie where they are playing a literal hero when they're just committing some seriously horrible crimes. That makes it a little hard to separate now. We shouldn't be rewarding someone like that.

hasnt he already been rewarded though

I mean, it seems clear that he shouldnt be hired again for anything else, but I think he already got paid for this gig whether it gets released with him in it or not

MoogleKupo141 posted...

hasnt he already been rewarded though

I mean, it seems clear that he shouldnt be hired again for anything else, but I think he already got paid for this gig whether it gets released with him in it or not

I'm assuming he also receives a bonus for the success of the movie as well. But regardless, it's rewarding him by making it clear to him we'll still tolerate what he's in, and making it clear to giant movie companies we'll tolerate whatever pieces of shit you put in your blockbuster movie.

CassandraCain posted...

Most definitely not the problem.

I'd say the majority of us do indeed keep up with movie news, we just don't repeat what we hear on youtube and instead form our own opinions to express. For instance, we all knew what was going on with Ezra before you made this topic, and you didn't even mention anything about the actual situation in your op.

LMS would you believe me if I told you that pretty much everything you talk about is not news to us?

Actual situation with Ezra? I did give a view on the problems with the DCEU, although I'm starting to realize it's a little flawed. The logic being anything that follows on directly from Batman v. Superman and Suicide Squad will scare away audiences who hated them while anything that specifically tries to jettison the DCEU from them will get backlash from those movies' fans.

Just to remind you, Ezra entering the speed force was the greatest movie scene of all time.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Actual situation with Ezra?

Ezra has been in the news multiple times the past months for criminal offenses.

As said LMS, you don't follow the news. In fact, I'd say you're the greatest example of somebody living under a rock on this board.

Sorry I didn't understand what that meant. Actual situation with the DCEU or with Ezra?

Yeah I'm more and more realizing my logic was faulty in any case. That being said I still think the DCEU has no chance whatsoever to compete with the MCU, so The Flash is probably still doomed even if you somehow discount Ezra Miller's...antics.

TomNook posted...

Are there actually people who won't see a movie because one out of the thousands who worked on the movie is a scumbag?

I was far too grossly repulsed by pedophile Kevin Spacey to bother sticking with the final seasons House of Cards so yeah

star power is a big thing that gets people into seats and being a disgusting person tends to be the reverse of that

Wasn't he removed from the final season?

Sometimes movies can overcome controversy relating to someone involved. Recent examples include Coco, Deadpool 2, and Bohemian Rhapsody. But in those cases it was the film's director at worst. This is the lead actor.

Anyway I do feel a little bad for making this topic. Like I said I find it amusing how much bad publicity The Flash is getting in a masochistic way, but I don't feel remotely the same about what Ezra Miller is doing. I more just feel like the DCEU is beyond salvaging at this point, at least as a big franchise to compete with Marvel.

You literally never feel bad about anything you do because if you did you would stop doing it.

Waluigi1 posted...

Wasn't he removed from the final season?

looking up yeah, I though gradually reduced and cut off but sounds like zero presence

didn't really know though since I wasn't interested to watch!