Board 8 > I'm gonna play Dragon's Dogma, but I know literally nothing about it. (spoilers)

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/17/22 11:48:57 AM
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So yeah, I figure with the new game being announced and the original being beloved I should check it out because the most I know about it is that it has horrible hell elements and I thiiiink it's an action game? I literally know nothing about it. What else should I expect going into this game?

And no spoilers until I've already cleared that part of the game please.

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ChaosTonyV4
06/17/22 11:55:57 AM
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Fuck yes, keep knowing nothing about it and just soak it in.

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banananor
06/17/22 12:03:29 PM
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I picked that game up as part of a bundle recently- I'll be making a similar journey soon!

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Mac Arrowny
06/17/22 12:26:11 PM
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What system are you playing it on?

I also started this last week. I think it's a bad game, so hopefully you like it more than me!

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/17/22 12:32:19 PM
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I am playing the PC version, with the enhanced edition!

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Mac Arrowny
06/17/22 12:44:00 PM
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Aha! Good choice, since that's the only version that runs at 60FPS for some reason. <_<

Personally I'm using a mod that essentially removes the weight limit and lets you sprint endlessly. I would recommend you also do so, but I know some people like systems like that.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/17/22 12:49:37 PM
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Oh if there's good mods then I need folks to weigh in on that because if a game has annoying systems I'm likely to be turned off by it. lol

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ChaosTonyV4
06/17/22 12:54:16 PM
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Install the mod to restore the original title theme, and no Im not joking.

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Mac Arrowny
06/17/22 1:39:44 PM
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https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma/mods/19?tab=description

This is the one I'm using. No Carry Weight and No Sprint Drain.

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ChaosTonyV4
06/17/22 1:40:39 PM
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Wtf, dont use those. Taking away carry weight and being able to sprint forever would fully eliminate the sense of going on an adventure

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Waluigi1
06/17/22 3:58:42 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Install the mod to restore the original title theme, and no Im not joking.
The only mod you need.
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Wtf, dont use those. Taking away carry weight and being able to sprint forever would fully eliminate the sense of going on an adventure
While I do agree with this, if you play for a while and are just super turned off by those things, then you do what you want to have a better experience.

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Waluigi1
06/17/22 3:59:34 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
the most I know about it is that it has horrible hell elements
Also, I don't know what this means?

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/17/22 4:01:19 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
Also, I don't know what this means?
Like hell, the underworld, Satan, etc?

Unless I have that wrong too which is entirely possible. lol

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Waluigi1
06/17/22 4:07:45 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Like hell, the underworld, Satan, etc?

Unless I have that wrong too which is entirely possible. lol
Yeah, none of that lol.

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ZaziGuado
06/17/22 5:07:31 PM
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I remember some things feeling a tad under baked, but I enjoyed my time overall. The combat is fun and the pawn system is quite neat. It's an imperfect game to be sure, but there is a lot to enjoy and some promise shown in regards to a sequel. It's been like 8 or 9 years since I've played it, but the potential I felt while playing it then is enough to have had me among those waiting with anticipation for the announcement of a sequel.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/17/22 8:15:50 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
Yeah, none of that lol.
oh cool then I know actually nothing about it. lol

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MariaTaylor
06/17/22 8:42:41 PM
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I remember enemies taking a fuck ton of damage to kill, which made the game very boring. Especially because it takes so long to walk from one place to another, and your ability to fast travel is quite limited. Save often. Save pretty much immediately as soon as you can any time you accomplish something of value. You don't want to forget to save and then have to redo a long, boring boss fight over again.

Maintaining and upgrading your gear will help a lot with making the fights go faster, but enemies are still way too effective at sponging damage. If the game balance was adjusted it would probably be a bit more fun, but... yeah. I mostly agree with Zazi, although I would use "half baked" instead of "under baked" if I was going to describe it. The class system especially feels kinda worthless. You can unlock most of the abilities in a class fairly quickly and then you either just stay in the class forever gaining class EXP which does nothing, or keep switching classes and master every ability in the game. It takes away my sense that my character has an identity when they can just cycle between every job and master every skill, although I guess there are some people who prefer that kind of system. Here it just feels like 'okay I did it, now what?' and the answer is 'nothing, there's nothing else to do with the classes.'

Exploring the dungeons is more satisfying than it should be, despite all of the mentioned issues, but it also doesn't feel like exploring dungeons is a big focus of the main game. The Dark Arisen expansion adds a huge dungeon that is separate from the main game and I remember that being my favorite aspect of the game.

Lastly, flying enemies are really annoying, but this is a problem with most if not all action RPGs.


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DeepsPraw
06/17/22 11:29:44 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Install the mod to restore the original title theme, and no Im not joking.
seconding this.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/18/22 12:17:08 AM
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Aight I made it past the tutorial area I think. I killed a chimera and it took a while

But I'm also playing with a Steam Controller. I'm wondering if mouse and keyboard may be better. My only issue is being able to swivel around the camera since it doesn't seem to want to agree sometimes.

Aside from that, cool vibe. Dragon is doing badass dragon things.

OH AND A CHARACTER CREATOR. Brb

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/18/22 12:37:25 AM
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Well, I figure that since the character creator had names, I needed to go with a good Capcom character. Of course Adon was taken, and then Proto was taken, so I had to go with my other go to Street Fighter character, SAGAT.

My character is a big bald fella with a scar over his eye. Good enough for me.

Anyway, I don't know wtf is going on because a dragon dead ass delicately pulled my character's heart out and ate it then fucked off so that's weird. Not dead though so uh that is a thing.

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Mac Arrowny
06/18/22 12:43:44 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Anyway, I don't know wtf is going on because a dragon dead ass delicately pulled my character's heart out and ate it then fucked off so that's weird. Not dead though so uh that is a thing.
So that's it? You're some kind of Dark Arisen?

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/18/22 1:54:25 AM
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I am, in fact, some kind of Dark Arisen.

So I feel like I didn't actually accomplish a tremendous amount tonight. My boy Sagat got some quests and I only got some of the flowers for that woman so I'll probably need to backtrack.

I did get to the other weird Pawn place. This Pawn idea is like, trying to give NPCs an excuse to be generic, which I'm not entirely opposed to? lol I ended up beating up the Cyclops there and then I got to make my own main pawn. So I went with another Capcom character I love: Tron, who is now a mage. So I got Rook and Tron hanging out. I went into that one stone and then I got a bunch of complete randos there and it definitely feels like I'm just taking someone else's stuff.

I have two mages in my party, and Sagat is a Fighter. So I feel like I need an archer in there somewhere.

Aside from that, I'll do tasks later, and then there's a combining system I barely understand that I should probably figure out. Overall, I see promise in it. I definitely learned I need to play pretty safe after dying to the Cyclops though.

So we shall see how it is.

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Waluigi1
06/18/22 3:04:41 AM
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MariaTaylor posted...
I remember enemies taking a fuck ton of damage to kill, which made the game very boring. Especially because it takes so long to walk from one place to another, and your ability to fast travel is quite limited. Save often. Save pretty much immediately as soon as you can any time you accomplish something of value. You don't want to forget to save and then have to redo a long, boring boss fight over again.

Maintaining and upgrading your gear will help a lot with making the fights go faster, but enemies are still way too effective at sponging damage. If the game balance was adjusted it would probably be a bit more fun, but... yeah. I mostly agree with Zazi, although I would use "half baked" instead of "under baked" if I was going to describe it. The class system especially feels kinda worthless. You can unlock most of the abilities in a class fairly quickly and then you either just stay in the class forever gaining class EXP which does nothing, or keep switching classes and master every ability in the game. It takes away my sense that my character has an identity when they can just cycle between every job and master every skill, although I guess there are some people who prefer that kind of system. Here it just feels like 'okay I did it, now what?' and the answer is 'nothing, there's nothing else to do with the classes.'

Exploring the dungeons is more satisfying than it should be, despite all of the mentioned issues, but it also doesn't feel like exploring dungeons is a big focus of the main game. The Dark Arisen expansion adds a huge dungeon that is separate from the main game and I remember that being my favorite aspect of the game.

Lastly, flying enemies are really annoying, but this is a problem with most if not all action RPGs.
Weird, I've never seen anyone think the enemies are too spongey. As for the classes, the stats you gain depend on the class you are when you level. So if you're jumping around all over the place, your stat spread is gonna be shit.

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Kenri
06/18/22 3:57:21 AM
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Yeah I don't remember the enemies taking forever to die, aside from obvious "miniboss" monsters like the chimeras. That said, I remember very little about this game, despite playing it as recently as 2020 and liking it.

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Murphiroth
06/18/22 4:03:31 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/2/5/AAPhobAADWrd.jpg

This game has a ton of unexplained mechanics Iike this, just wanted to throw that out there. I think it's neat.
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Waluigi1
06/18/22 10:36:43 AM
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Yeah it's got a lot of depth to its systems

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MariaTaylor
06/18/22 11:26:32 AM
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Waluigi1 posted...
Weird, I've never seen anyone think the enemies are too spongey.

I think it's because it's an Action RPG which means that if your technical skills are good enough you can effectively fight any enemy for as long as you want. Like I might not have enough damage to kill a chimera in less than 10 minutes. So I just keep dodging its attacks and waiting for it to die. That's more or less how I remember my first experience with the game going. The second time I tried to play it, I focused on upgrading my weapons and increasing my damage which is why I gave the same advice in this topic. I know it sounds like common sense, but making sure your damage is as high as possible will make the fights go MUCH faster. It's very important to be aware of that in this game compared to say, Bloodborne, where the gap between the weakest damage and the highest damage is much more narrow.


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Waluigi1
06/18/22 1:22:39 PM
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You also needa take advantage of weak points and such.

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Mac Arrowny
06/18/22 1:31:22 PM
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I also found minibosses to be extreme damage sponges. Game would be better for sure if they had less health.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/18/22 1:37:46 PM
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I mean the Chimera took forever to kill at the beginning, and then the first cyclops also took a while. I don't know if I should have upgraded my weapon by that point to make it any quicker.

I'll pick this up later today, probably to do those quests I didn't do in the first village and try to figure out how a lot of these systems work.

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Kenri
06/18/22 2:18:57 PM
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Yeah I definitely just ran from stuff that I couldn't deal decent damage to, and tackled it later. IIRC the game makes it pretty obvious when you're "supposed" to be strong enough to tackle stronger monsters, you're not expected to at first.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/18/22 10:04:25 PM
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Man, the last Window's update I had messed up a lot of stuff. First my Ethernet connection won't work anymore, and now my Steam controller won't connect wirelessly unless I restart my computer after I have it on Sleep mode. I don't know how to fix either of them and I've done some research.

BUT ANYWAY, I did get my PS5 controller plugged in to do some gaming on this. I went back and found my last flower, then I found a book on the roof (I looked around forever for this) and then I told a guy some other guy died RIP.

I upgraded my guy with a lot of stuff and now I'm trying to understand something. My main Pawn, Tron, will gain experience. But the other two I have won't gain anything, and essentially I just need to upgrade to a better one eventually, right? Also, I figured out that the people in the weird rift stone world are characters from my friend's list. Cool stuff actually.

I picked up an archer named Hibiki (I assume my boy Dan's sister or something) and I went ahead and did this well quest and beat the shit out of Saurians. They weren't too bad. I had a brief scare but I got healed. Also had to pick up Hibiki twice. I'm getting the hang of things, even the crafting system.

I paused so I could get dinner, but I'll pick up later today!

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Mac Arrowny
06/19/22 12:10:41 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
But the other two I have won't gain anything, and essentially I just need to upgrade to a better one eventually, right
That's correct. Technically you could do so every level, but I generally did so every few levels. I also had a higher level pawn with me for a lot of the game that I think was a friend pawn, but I was never sure whose.

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MariaTaylor
06/19/22 1:52:23 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I upgraded my guy with a lot of stuff and now I'm trying to understand something. My main Pawn, Tron, will gain experience. But the other two I have won't gain anything, and essentially I just need to upgrade to a better one eventually, right? Also, I figured out that the people in the weird rift stone world are characters from my friend's list. Cool stuff actually.

Yeah normally I would go back and recruit new pawns pretty frequently. If they are even a few levels behind your character it will be pretty easy to notice. Also if you use the stone you can 'search' for companions. It's usually a good idea to filter by the class you want (like search for mages) and check the box for characters with "good defense". After that I'd pick the five with the abilities that seemed useful, and the game summons them all into the space where you can examine them and decide who to recruit.

You can also search for pawns that are ABOVE your own level, but it costs rift crystals to summon them and you probably don't have very many of those yet. There is a little bit of 'insurance' that you get by doing this. If you recruit a higher level pawn, they'll be useful to keep around for a bit longer without needing to replace them. And they'll be stronger in the short term.

With that being said, it's very easy to simply go back and replace your low level pawns. Especially at the start of the game when all of the quests are near the city or encampment. I do remember recruiting higher level pawns sometimes before heading off on what I knew was going to be a long journey.

Pawns will also have their own level of knowledge regarding enemy types, specific quests, etc. They gain experience by actually going on quests and fighting monsters, and you can check this information on their sheet before recruiting them. I always thought it was more useful to get a mage with healing, a weapon buff, and an offensive spell. You'd be surprised at how many don't have all three of those things. I'd put a priority on that before recruiting someone with quest knowledge. A lot of the striders and rangers look the same and have almost the exact same stats and builds, so normally I'd just summon whichever one had the coolest name or appearance.


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PrivateBiscuit1
06/19/22 2:13:19 AM
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Man I am very over fighting wolves now.

So I went back to the stronghold and killed myself a hydra and thought it was weird that I only had to kill one head and the thing just disappeared even though it was a really cool fight up until it ended abruptly.

So I went on back to the main village and I caught myself a thief, and then I went to this Bitter Rock isle or something and I looked it up because it felt suspiciously like DLC stuff (because DARK ARISEN had popped up in big giant letters in the cutscene there). Sooooo I'm gonna hold off on that. Not sure when I'm meant to check it out but it absolutely does not seem like now.

In any case, I swapped out my two pawns for a giant ass archer and then this fighter with a really squeaky voice and I hate it so much. I chased after Quinoa and I fought entirely too many wolves like wtf give me something new to fight at least. I thought I'd run into bandits on the way there because a couple rocks rolled down but nope. Just all wolves all the time. They wouldn't suck if they weren't pretty boring to fight though.

Anyway, the witch is a tiny goth girl. Cool. Quinoa ran away and I turned that one in. Oh, and I escorted this actually fun character to the stronghold. Her wares kinda suck though.

Tapping out for the night!

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MariaTaylor
06/19/22 2:53:06 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
In any case, I swapped out my two pawns for a giant ass archer and then this fighter with a really squeaky voice and I hate it so much. I chased after Quinoa and I fought entirely too many wolves like wtf give me something new to fight at least. I thought I'd run into bandits on the way there because a couple rocks rolled down but nope. Just all wolves all the time. They wouldn't suck if they weren't pretty boring to fight though.

funny enough that section can be difficult to clear normally because there are very strong groups of bandits blocking the way. at least relatively to a fresh character. if you go at night, all of the bandits are replaced by wolves, which makes it much easier. sounds like you used this method by coincidence rather than intentionally.


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Kenri
06/19/22 3:19:45 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Man I am very over fighting wolves now.
lol

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Webbernet
06/19/22 3:58:48 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
So I got Rook and Tron hanging out. I went into that one stone and then I got a bunch of complete randos there and it definitely feels like I'm just taking someone else's stuff.
I got really attached to Rook and kept upgrading his gear and had him for most of the game until he fell off a cliff

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Waluigi1
06/19/22 1:50:41 PM
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Webbernet posted...
I got really attached to Rook and kept upgrading his gear and had him for most of the game until he fell off a cliff
Wtf why lmao

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ChaosTonyV4
06/19/22 1:53:31 PM
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You can basically one shot wolves with a fire enchantment on

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/19/22 1:54:35 PM
#41:


Rook is already gone from my party. I replaced him with this squeaky voiced female fighter and I regret every second of it.

I do like how the voices are like 4 or 5 reasonable choices and then the most awful voice pitches you've ever heard.

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Webbernet
06/19/22 2:05:26 PM
#42:


Waluigi1 posted...
Wtf why lmao
Because the man came to me, I had to nurture him

I thought a fellow Waluigi fan would understand about getting attached to the underdog

People online saying "Rook sucks, get rid of him" made me more determined to give him the best gear possible.


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Kenri
06/19/22 2:39:10 PM
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I also got attached to Rook and kept him unreasonably long

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Waluigi1
06/19/22 2:42:19 PM
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Nah, I trashed his Nick Cage lookin ass as soon as I was able. He'd remain like lvl 5 for the whole game, even with updated equipment, you'd be gimping yourself so hard lol.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/19/22 2:46:32 PM
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I do enjoy people saying they were attached to Rook when the Pawns are all meant to be vacant, personality-less mooks, even judging by the story. Like I have zero attachment to any of these people because they're meant to be interchangeable! I wanted to keep around Hibiki because of my adoration for anything Dan Hibiki but even that loser had to get ditched immediately.

Although I do kind of wish that you could level them though, because it does feel weird to just throw out party members like that.

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Waluigi1
06/19/22 3:09:30 PM
#46:


Don't get me wrong, I did still get attached to some pawns. Playing DD at launch was an incredible experience as you and everyone else are playing the game at the same time. I'd borrow the same pawns multiple times as they were growing with their Arisen and often played with friends' pawns. On the 360, my own pawn was almost always within the top 5 rented pawns on the console, and my best friends was pretty much always number 1. It felt good lol.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/20/22 12:20:44 AM
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Alright so I went ahead and backtracked to the woods area but instead I tried to go the other path and immediately got swarmed and killed by bandits on my way to that stronghold. Whoops. So maybe later.

Instead I now went to escort that not-horse with Mercedes and that was pretty simple. Also there are zombies in the game because of course.

I'm in the new Gran Soren area and I just have one pressing question: Is there fast travel in this game because thinking about traveling the lengths of this place seems like hell to get to another area.

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ChaosTonyV4
06/20/22 12:38:02 AM
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There is.

You have something called the eternal ferrystone in your storage after reaching Gran Soren, with that you can fast travel to Gran Soren, Cassardis, or Bitterblack Isle after youve been there.

Also there are things called Portcrystals that let you place (and pickup) fast travel points. There arent many, but you dont actually need that many tbh.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/20/22 2:23:45 AM
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Ffffffffff

So alright. I went ahead and started a few quests and stuff and then I got this guy who needs to go to some Shadowgate place or whatever and I'm like fine. Sure. I can make that happen. I try a few different paths. Find a Watergod's Shrine or whatever, I find all kinds of nooks and crannies. I go to the north and have to fight 12 disappearing Sauriens or whatever.

So after that I'm just like screw it, I'm going to look at an actual world map.

I needed to backtrack more. Like a lot more. To that random place that had all those bandits I died to before. So that's a problem for tomorrow. I think I can make it happen. Only problem is I can't find any pawns over level 14 now.

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Waluigi1
06/20/22 10:35:27 AM
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Escort quests are the absolute worst and there's no shame is not doing them.

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