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red sox 777
06/24/22 1:42:02 PM
#401:


masterplum posted...
Yet

What could there be to enforce? The conservatives would have to abandon their commerce clause jurisprudence of decades and agree with the liberals to allow a total federal abortion ban. And that would only be implemented if Congress voted for it and the president signed it, in which case the federal DOJ will be handling the enforcement.

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Kenri
06/24/22 1:42:59 PM
#402:


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I think we are fairly close to a breaking point where states start refusing to submit to judicial review

Then all hell breaks loose
Should've happened in 2000, if it didn't happen then there's no reason it will now.

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Not_an_Owl
06/24/22 1:44:28 PM
#403:


Democrats begging people to vote harder when they have the numbers to fix this RIGHT FUCKING NOW will never not be infuriating.

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masterplum
06/24/22 1:45:30 PM
#404:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Democrats begging people to vote harder when they have the numbers to fix this RIGHT FUCKING NOW will never not be infuriating.

They dont

0.00% chance Manchin ever votes for it

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PerfectChaosZ
06/24/22 2:01:23 PM
#405:


Then they should remove obvious republican plants in the party.
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red sox 777
06/24/22 2:04:09 PM
#406:


Manchin would just get replaced by an actual Republican.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/24/22 2:05:02 PM
#407:


Joe Biden has made no effort to get Manchin in line because he used to be Manchin before Manchin was Manchin. Biden has, and will forever, absolutely fucking suck.

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masterplum
06/24/22 2:11:47 PM
#408:


PerfectChaosZ posted...
Then they should remove obvious republican plants in the party.

...With actual republicans?

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Kenri
06/24/22 2:15:32 PM
#409:


As of a few years ago, I think actual Republicans might be better. At least then frustrations about their shitty positions get directed at the correct party.

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Not_an_Owl
06/24/22 2:17:20 PM
#410:


masterplum posted...
They dont

0.00% chance Manchin ever votes for it
Then what the fuck is the point of voting? If Dems have a majority in both houses and still can't do anything, why vote D at all?

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masterplum
06/24/22 2:17:36 PM
#411:


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-decision-disney-sends-memo-to-employees.html

Amusingly, I think after years of attacks that corporations are getting too powerful by the left, we are setting up a big corporation vs Right showdown.

I am really curious how this goes

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masterplum
06/24/22 2:18:19 PM
#412:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Then what the fuck is the point of voting? If Dems have a majority in both houses and still can't do anything, why vote D at all?

Is this a serious question?

If democrats had 52 senate seats they could pass anything they wanted

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Nanis23
06/24/22 2:18:38 PM
#413:


Overturning Roe v Wade sounds like such a stupid thing for the Republican Party to do
I have a feeling like a lot of people that would vote red are still against this and they might now vote blue instead

Am I wrong

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masterplum
06/24/22 2:19:46 PM
#414:


Nanis23 posted...
Overturning Roe v Wade sounds like such a stupid thing for the Republican Party to do
I have a feeling like a lot of people that would vote red are still against this and they might now vote blue instead

Am I wrong

No, you aren't which is why its obvious republicans aren't directly controlling the supreme court

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ChaosTonyV4
06/24/22 2:20:09 PM
#415:


https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1540397650620518401?s=21&t=Rt1_taMW8rD27T2jnPQOUg

This is genuinely one of the nuttiest things the Democrats could be doing right now, lmao.

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Kenri
06/24/22 2:21:06 PM
#416:


masterplum posted...
Is this a serious question?

If democrats had 52 senate seats they could pass anything they wanted
Just one more senate seat bro, I just need one more senate seat, just one more senate seat and then I'll go clean bro, come on man just one more senate seat, just one more senate seat and then I swear I won't need any more senate seats, just one more senate seat, just one more--

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xp1337
06/24/22 2:21:54 PM
#417:


I'm not 100% sure but isn't the singing thing related to their having just passed the gun control bill?

i mean bad timing sure but

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Not_an_Owl
06/24/22 2:24:45 PM
#418:


masterplum posted...
Is this a serious question?

If democrats had 52 senate seats they could pass anything they wanted
Not if numbers 48-52 are Joe Manchins.

And no it's not a serious question, I'm pissed off and venting. I know damn well that Republicans in power would make this even worse. I'm just infuriated that the Dems are being served up a perfect opportunity to pass legislation legalizing abortion (which would be wildly popular! wide majorities of Americans supported Roe v. Wade's abortion protection!) and won't do it, and are still going to be whining after they get their asses kicked in November about how the youngs just didn't vote hard enough.

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Jakyl25
06/24/22 2:25:25 PM
#419:


masterplum posted...
Is this a serious question?

If democrats had 52 senate seats they could pass anything they wanted

Remember in 2009 when they had 60 and still didnt

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Peace___Frog
06/24/22 2:25:42 PM
#420:


Kenri posted...
Just one more senate seat bro, I just need one more senate seat, just one more senate seat and then I'll go clean bro, come on man just one more senate seat, just one more senate seat and then I swear I won't need any more senate seats, just one more senate seat, just one more--
This is seriously what it's like.
And the problem with saying "just vote" is that those people are preaching to the choir. The answer can't just be "vote" because those of us who have been voting have BEEN voting.

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Xeybozn
06/24/22 2:26:25 PM
#421:


masterplum posted...
If democrats had 52 senate seats they could pass anything they wanted

Remember when the Dems had 59 votes in the Senate and they still couldn't pass anything?

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xp1337
06/24/22 2:32:04 PM
#422:


When the Dems had 59-60 seats back in 2009 there were a lot more Manchins in the party. A lot. And worse than Manchin by far. I envy those who weren't plugged into politics in the era of Lieberman. As depressing as it is to think, the Democratic Party of 2022 is almost without doubt the most progressive it has ever been in terms of its elected national membership.

I don't know where the magic number lies for abolishing the filibuster. I'm not convinced it's 52 though that is the floor. I do think it's less than the 60 that would make it irrelevant though. Probably at 54-55 I think they'd have the votes.

But we'll probably never get there ever again because the Senate is literally a fucked up gerrymander of the US as a whole.

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Xeybozn
06/24/22 2:36:53 PM
#423:


I could see Republicans choosing to eliminate the filibuster if they control the government after 2024. We're getting more and more of them who want things other than tax cuts these days, and it's not like the Democrats are going to in position to retake the Senate for at least the next decade.

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Jakyl25
06/24/22 2:38:55 PM
#424:


Peace___Frog posted...
This is seriously what it's like.
And the problem with saying "just vote" is that those people are preaching to the choir. The answer can't just be "vote" because those of us who have been voting have BEEN voting.

https://twitter.com/madison_tayt/status/1540369740304191492?s=21&t=Erxhr9NzuyjuQIiplmU_aw


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xp1337
06/24/22 2:43:35 PM
#425:


I mean, you do have to vote and keep voting.

Anti-abortion activists didn't just give up and sit home when Roe was still in effect in 1978. Or after Casey reaffirmed it. They kept voting and slowly taking over the party for 50 fucking years for this very moment.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/24/22 2:48:00 PM
#426:


Thanks Joe. Only I seem to recall the last time we had violent protests, you decided to give more money to the problem to not address the actual problem and had the most asinine suggestions to solve it. That also seemed like the last time anyone gave a fuck about what the public wanted.

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1540383017948037121?s=20&t=LyrpHl7e3xHL6hFlDGYD8Q

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PerfectChaosZ
06/24/22 2:49:23 PM
#427:


Republicans in Power: Sorry vote harder conservatives can just do whatever they want we're doing all we can
Democrats in Power: No justification vote harder conservatives can just do whatever they want we're doing all we can
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LordoftheMorons
06/24/22 2:49:34 PM
#428:


Man, this fucking sucks

I think I small part of me was holding out for some miracle of Kavanaugh getting cold feet or something

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Kenri
06/24/22 2:51:49 PM
#429:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1540383017948037121?s=20&t=LyrpHl7e3xHL6hFlDGYD8Q
He should have said all this but then followed it with a chaser of "But I will add that Republicans have been telling us for years that the 2nd amendment is for killing people in government who try to take away your rights, so, you know, that's their opinion on the matter."

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LinkMarioSamus
06/24/22 3:44:09 PM
#430:


Democrats: Spend too much time arguing with each other to get anything done.

Republicans: Tend to get stuff done which just makes things worse.

What a country.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/24/22 9:16:25 PM
#431:


This absolute piece of shit Joe Manchin gaslighting people when he voted against codifying Roe v. Wade and blaming it on Republicans when he knew full well they were going to destroy it.

https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin/status/1540349633683230720?s=20&t=LyrpHl7e3xHL6hFlDGYD8Q

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Jakyl25
06/25/22 12:42:47 AM
#432:


https://twitter.com/arcanerobobrain/status/1540367105551347712?s=21&t=O_J6QfxMW9tDw8KIqDxQnQ

This is the bare minimum of what corporations should be doing, but at least on the surface its a positive

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Jakyl25
06/25/22 12:58:12 AM
#433:


https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1540340153000099841?s=21&t=O_J6QfxMW9tDw8KIqDxQnQp

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Jakyl25
06/25/22 1:09:42 AM
#434:


https://twitter.com/jonalba/status/1540448141048254467?s=21&t=O_J6QfxMW9tDw8KIqDxQnQ

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Leafeon13N
06/25/22 1:13:33 AM
#435:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/jonalba/status/1540448141048254467?s=21&t=O_J6QfxMW9tDw8KIqDxQnQ
Somehow still better than the alternative. Wedont even really see Dems getting their faces out like we did with some of the BLM stuff aways back.

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ChaosTonyV4
06/25/22 1:17:38 AM
#436:


https://twitter.com/janeost_/status/1540345656187015170?s=21&t=yHd491hGBxeTNSjpyyGCNw

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ExThaNemesis
06/25/22 1:57:28 AM
#437:


I just don't see why it's unreasonable that a supreme court justice doing something this wildly unpopular who has a public address where they and their family reside... shouldn't just get to feel safe and secure at their home.

Like for all the pearl-clutching about Jan 6th, I think it would've been 100% justified if the supreme court building was stormed and destroyed today, with certain people getting [redacted]

How are we not to that point yet

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ExThaNemesis
06/25/22 1:59:59 AM
#438:


I thought the loony tunes "invading" the capitol were doing it for a [redacted] reason but I agree that the people in charge of our government are FAR too comfortable being horrible and they should absolutely fear consequences, at all times.

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Leafeon13N
06/25/22 2:03:00 AM
#439:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I just don't see why it's unreasonable that a supreme court justice doing something this wildly unpopular who has a public address where they and their family reside... shouldn't just get to feel safe and secure at their home.

Like for all the pearl-clutching about Jan 6th, I think it would've been 100% justified if the supreme court building was stormed and destroyed today, with certain people getting [redacted]

How are we not to that point yet
Because they actively work to prevent the rest of us from feeling safe anywhere. Fuck them.
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xp1337
06/25/22 2:09:45 AM
#440:


https://twitter.com/SenPolehanki/status/1540508449079005184

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/25/22 2:13:24 AM
#441:


I think that politicians need the fear of god put into them even more. Instead they pass laws to make sure they're even more protected, pass laws to make miranda rights no longer mandatory, give even more funding to cops, and put fucking snipers on top of the government buildings.

And then our president has the stones to go "Guys, pls only peaceful protest I beg of you pls be better." Mother fucker, the government is taking away actual civil rights of people. Tragedies are happening constantly and nothing is done about them. And your party is talking about giving even more money to cops while we're in an economic crisis you refuse to do anything else about.

If things got violent and these shit bags didn't constantly feel safe in their ivory towers then maybe they would put a little more effort. If Biden had any fear of anything, he would be doing every nasty thing he could to threaten to torch Manchin and Sinema's careers right now. If they're not going to play ball when it matters, get them the fuck out of here. If they can't fight to uphold fucking Roe v. Wade, then how can they be trusted to uphold anything else that matters as much?

Instead this impotent sack of flesh promises us that he's the only one who can reach across the line and get Republicans to work with him, and it turns out that not only can he NOT do that, but he can't even get his own party in order. What the fuck matters enough to these politicians they may actually work harder than going "Pls only peaceful protest. We're so sorry. But pls also give us money and remember to vote so we have to come up with more excuses to fail at literally anything we promise we'll do something about."

This one is only so egregious because the vast majority of the country actively doesn't want this, including the right wing. Like what the actual fuck? This is an issue that is even split down the middle, it's asinine but it just happened.

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red sox 777
06/25/22 2:19:06 AM
#442:


The Supreme Court doesn't rule based on what's popular. It is not a democratic institution. It is not supposed to be. It never was supposed to be.

It tried to be for a few decades and apparently what that led to was Democrats in Congress and the state legislatures deciding they no longer had to do their job, because the federal courts were supposed to do it for them. That era is over, today.

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PrivateBiscuit1
06/25/22 2:41:56 AM
#443:


red sox 777 posted...
The Supreme Court doesn't rule based on what's popular. It is not a democratic institution. It is not supposed to be. It never was supposed to be.

It tried to be for a few decades and apparently what that led to was Democrats in Congress and the state legislatures deciding they no longer had to do their job, because the federal courts were supposed to do it for them. That era is over, today.
Ah, yes. They have chosen to stop just ruling based on popularity and instead have chosen to rule based on their religious and personal beliefs.

Much better.

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TheRock1525
06/25/22 2:44:32 AM
#444:


Where are you getting "the right wing didn't want this"?

Right wingers absolutely wanted this.

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Jakyl25
06/25/22 2:48:13 AM
#445:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I just don't see why it's unreasonable that a supreme court justice doing something this wildly unpopular who has a public address where they and their family reside... shouldn't just get to feel safe and secure at their home.

Like for all the pearl-clutching about Jan 6th, I think it would've been 100% justified if the supreme court building was stormed and destroyed today, with certain people getting [redacted]

How are we not to that point yet

https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1540352994482348033?s=21&t=OEf3hrJ78_LHpn82I7Yw4g

The cops actually wanted to defend this building

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Seanchan
06/25/22 7:20:46 AM
#446:


The Democrat response to this has been disgusting. I got no less than 3 texts yesterday from campaigns going "OMG cAn YoU BeLiEvE It?!? GIMME MONEY!"

How about fuck you!

They really needs someone with the balls (or lady balls) to grab hold of the party and FUCKING DO SOMETHING! Instead, we continue to have these minces who only care about being reelected. As if playing defense is going to get the job done.

Just an absolute fucking joke.

"Here's my statement on the Supreme Court's ruling:" Wow, great. Now you can wipe your hands of it; you made your statement of "outrage" on Twitter.

I'm so fucking frustrated with this country sometimes.

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Corrik7
06/25/22 9:02:25 AM
#447:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/jbendery/status/1540352994482348033?s=21&t=OEf3hrJ78_LHpn82I7Yw4g

The cops actually wanted to defend this building
Must have learned. Should have had machine gun nests ready to go.

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ExThaNemesis
06/25/22 10:25:35 AM
#448:


Leafeon13N posted...
Because they actively work to prevent the rest of us from feeling safe anywhere. Fuck them.

Yeah I think my double negative worked against me. I'm agreeing with you. I think they should feel horrified at repercussions in their own homes at all hours of the day.

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ExThaNemesis
06/25/22 10:29:46 AM
#449:


TheRock1525 posted...
Where are you getting "the right wing didn't want this"?

Right wingers absolutely wanted this.

No savvy conservative wanted this outside of salt-mining from The Most Annoying People In The World, which even that isn't fun anymore if you have enough brain-cells.

If you're a savvy conservative you know that this is going to fire up the other side that was COMPLETELY apathetic going into mid-terms. It's an absolute brain-dead move by an absolute brain-dead group of people who are governing based off their sky daddy brainworms.

The only right wingers who wanted this are also brain-dead and addled with sky daddy brainworms.

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Dancedreamer
06/25/22 10:49:39 AM
#450:


I'd say what I think should happen, but I don't want to be modded. But I think the Supreme Court needs to be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible.

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