Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 390: Where Uvalde Cowboys Gone?

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ExThaNemesis posted...

No savvy conservative wanted this outside of salt-mining from The Most Annoying People In The World, which even that isn't fun anymore if you have enough brain-cells.

If you're a savvy conservative you know that this is going to fire up the other side that was COMPLETELY apathetic going into mid-terms. It's an absolute brain-dead move by an absolute brain-dead group of people who are governing based off their sky daddy brainworms.

The only right wingers who wanted this are also brain-dead and addled with sky daddy brainworms.

Youre sure giving Dem organizing and turnout a lot of credit.

The only thing that fires up Dems enough to Pokmon Go to the polls is to anti-vote Trump

TheRock1525 posted...

Right wingers absolutely wanted this.

Of course they did. Centrists will try to tell themselves otherwise. "Yes, I voted for the Leopards Eating People's faces party. But they don't actually want Leopards to eat people's faces! They just say that to get votes. All I care about is them cutting my taxes."

Jakyl25 posted...

Youre sure giving Dem organizing and turnout a lot of credit.

You might be right, but if THIS doesn't fire the base up then nothing will and it was all hopeless anyway.

If you held midterm polls tomorrow, the GOP would get absolutely slaughtered

I don't hold much faith that this outrage will last for months. Goldfish memories wooooo

Then I mean

what if they were to come after same-sex marriage in a few weeks

ExThaNemesis posted...

You might be right, but if THIS doesn't fire the base up then nothing will and it was all hopeless anyway.

I mean, itll get out more Dem votes than NOT repealing Roe, of course

But Dems will still lose the House and Senate

ExThaNemesis posted...

Then I mean

what if they were to come after same-sex marriage in a few weeks

If you mean SCOTUS, they literally cant.

Theyve got 7 more decisions on known cases to dump next week and then theyre off until October (and in Breyers case, forever)

KamikazePotato posted...

If you held midterm polls tomorrow, the GOP would get absolutely slaughtered

You have vastly more faith in people than I do. I feel like the Republicans would still win, because all they have to do is say "Gas Prices" in the mirror three times, and people will vote for them as if they have a solution to the problem.

TheRock1525 posted...

Where are you getting "the right wing didn't want this"?

Right wingers absolutely wanted this.

I remember seeing it broken down by percentage by state back when the leak initially came out and even red states were in favor of Roe v. Wade.

Of course the right wing politicians wanted it, but I don't think the population wanted it. I don't know if it's a deal breaker for right wing voters come election time (doubtful).

Dancedreamer posted...

You have vastly more faith in people than I do. I feel like the Republicans would still win, because all they have to do is say "Gas Prices" in the mirror three times, and people will vote for them as if they have a solution to the problem.

That's the thing that gets me. Is that they just make the problems they claim to be better at worse lol

Biden should offer the GOP full control over gas price policy. They'll probably turn it down because they know they can't do any better.

Dancedreamer posted...

You have vastly more faith in people than I do. I feel like the Republicans would still win, because all they have to do is say "Gas Prices" in the mirror three times, and people will vote for them as if they have a solution to the problem.

Let's not act like this is exclusively a Republican thing. Joe Biden went up there and refused to give a single solution to any problem he claimed there was and didn't say a single thing but "Trump Bad".

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Let's not act like this is exclusively a Republican thing. Joe Biden went up there and refused to give a single solution to any problem he claimed there was and didn't say a single thing but "Trump Bad".

It's weird how you always defend Republicans and attack Democrats. It definitely feels like gaslighting at this point. The choice is still between people who actively want to take our rights away, and people who don't. The Democrats worst crime is being ineffective. The Republicans have done FAR worse and will continue to do far worse. Our choices aren't much, but they're the only choices we're given. Until the Republican Party ceases to exist, I will vote Democrat. I'll take ineffective over evil 10 times out of 10. I'll 100% take the people who aren't doing enough over the people who are making things worse.

I mean it's basically:

"The Republicans didn't mean to hurt you baby. They didn't want to do it! They had to. And the Democrats let them do it. They're the ones really at fault here."

I wouldnt consider what Biscuit is doing defending Republicans at all.

I disagree with him that just saying shit gets Dems elected, but it IS all it takes for them to get Lib votes.

And them just saying shit and not doing is why theyre about to get historically blown out (barring an alternative where the Supreme Court and next Congress take away so many fundamental rights that Dems wake up and actually do shit).

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Let's not act like this is exclusively a Republican thing. Joe Biden went up there and refused to give a single solution to any problem he claimed there was and didn't say a single thing but "Trump Bad".

I wouldnt even say its a Republican thing at all. Their voters have been conditioned to believe that literally anything the Dems do is evil, and therefore its their moral imperative to turn out and vote Republican no matter what. They GOP does not need to promise anything or improve peoples lives, because their voters believe that the Dems will make things worse.

Meanwhile, Dem voters across the spectrum see things like the GOP successfully killing Roe v. Wade, or the Dont Say Gay bill, and they get outraged before stating loud and proud that gas prices are too high and the person in charge (regardless of party) needs to be punished at the polls for their ineffectiveness at fixing the problem. Never mind that taking support away from the party in power makes it harder for them to accomplish anything and youre effectively creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of governmental impotence, nope, you get exactly two years (at best) to fix problems before were going to immediately hamstring you and then blame you for getting nothing done.

You only have to go to last page for Biscuit roasting republicans, the fuck? lol

Dancedreamer posted...

It's weird how you always defend Republicans and attack Democrats. It definitely feels like gaslighting at this point. The choice is still between people who actively want to take our rights away, and people who don't. The Democrats worst crime is being ineffective. The Republicans have done FAR worse and will continue to do far worse. Our choices aren't much, but they're the only choices we're given. Until the Republican Party ceases to exist, I will vote Democrat. I'll take ineffective over evil 10 times out of 10. I'll 100% take the people who aren't doing enough over the people who are making things worse.

I mean it's basically:

"The Republicans didn't mean to hurt you baby. They didn't want to do it! They had to. And the Democrats let them do it. They're the ones really at fault here."

It's because I have no expectations for Republicans to do any right things and Democrats are our only hope and also can't do a fucking thing right.

I can continue to attack Republicans but what's the point? They are expected to be fucking evil. I'll attack Democrats because they are the only ones who can do anything not evil right now and don't.

I was EXTREMELY vocal about Biden in the presidential election about how he gave absolutely no solutions or tangible explanations for what he wanted to do. I said he would be dog shit from the start and a horrible candidate and wouldn't do anything for the Democratic party, and it's been far worse than I can imagine because there is no fucking vision from this asshole.

You cannot tell me I was wrong. I'm sorry for having standards for the Democratic party. But don't come at me with this "Oh you're just gaslighting!" Biden made blanket promises with no solutions and we're staring at the results of them now. He sucks and it's the best our party has right now.

The only gaslighting is from Democrats like Manchin going "Oh I can't believe this! I voted against codifying it because I thought they would uphold it!" Or Nancy Pelosi going "Guys, just give us more money and we'll be able to take the fight back!"

But no let me keep saying "Republicans are evil" as if that's not obvious to everyone here already.

It's pretty hard to blame Biden when his deciding vote is from a +30 R state and he's dealing with a SC (and judiciary in general) that strikes down his EO pretty easily (like the vaccine and mask mandates).

It's fun to scream "DO SOMETHING" but his two best tools to accomplish that are pretty much useless in this current climate.

Also almost all polling had a solid majority of Republicans wanting RvW overturned. The reason overall polling is 2 to 1 against is because like 90% of Dems and a majority of Independents didn't want it overturned.

TheRock1525 posted...

It's pretty hard to blame Biden when his deciding vote is from a +30 R state and he's dealing with a SC (and judiciary in general) that strikes down his EO pretty easily (like the vaccine and mask mandates).

It's fun to scream "DO SOMETHING" but his two best tools to accomplish that are pretty much useless in this current climate.

Then he shouldnt have promised to do something

Give us a plan. Hes saying abortion rights are on the ballotlay out an explanation of how that is the case! Outline a plan to codify Roe, explain exactly how you plan to do that and who is currently on board, and explain who else we need to elect to accomplish it. Stop being vague. The devil is in the details.

I know transparency is a politicians second biggest fear after accountability, and I know he has me over a barrel where I have to vote for him anyway because of the explicit human rights danger of a Trump or DeSantis, but Id feel a lot better about it if I thought they actually had a plan to govern if they had the right people in place

Its lame when GameFAQs tells me theres new posts, then I come here and its someone who has me blocked.

Someone tell Rock to unblock me already, damn lol

rock, unblock me already

ExThaNemesis posted...

No savvy conservative wanted this outside of salt-mining from The Most Annoying People In The World, which even that isn't fun anymore if you have enough brain-cells.

If you're a savvy conservative you know that this is going to fire up the other side that was COMPLETELY apathetic going into mid-terms. It's an absolute brain-dead move by an absolute brain-dead group of people who are governing based off their sky daddy brainworms.

The only right wingers who wanted this are also brain-dead and addled with sky daddy brainworms.

Conservatives have been campaigning on this since the 80s. This is one of their major goals.

Jakyl25 posted...

Then he shouldnt have promised to do something

Give us a plan. Hes saying abortion rights are on the ballotlay out an explanation of how that is the case! Outline a plan to codify Roe, explain exactly how you plan to do that and who is currently on board, and explain who else we need to elect to accomplish it. Stop being vague. The devil is in the details.

I know transparency is a politicians second biggest fear after accountability, and I know he has me over a barrel where I have to vote for him anyway because of the explicit human rights danger of a Trump or DeSantis, but Id feel a lot better about it if I thought they actually had a plan to govern if they had the right people in place

Except if we know anything about human history it's that vague works. Our previous two presidents were elected on vague promises. Hell so was Biden.

TheRock1525 posted...

Except if we know anything about human history it's that vague works. Our previous two presidents were elected on vague promises. Hell so was Biden.

Its not gonna work this midterm!

Jakyl25 posted...

Its not gonna work this midterm!

It's exactly what's going to work in this midterm. Just not in the democrats favor. Unless you're somehow hearing about all these amazing Republican policies they're going to put in once they win that will lower gas prices and stop inflation.

Ok then the Dems should differentiate by being specific

There are some very specific Republican plans that involve winning the House and Senate, installing Trump as Speaker, impeaching and removing Biden and Harris, which would make Trump President <_<

Jakyl25 posted...

Ok then the Dems should differentiate by being specific

And then you would have a general electorate complaining about why are the Democrats spending so much time on this one issue and not focusing on kitchen room table issues?

Lock Her Up was a very specific issue that really resonated with the electorate

Jakyl25 posted...

Lock Her Up was a very specific issue that really resonated with the electorate

Isn't this just as vague as Biden saying he'd codify Roe? Because chanting lock her up doesn't give any specifics on the how or what for.

Well it was a lie

But the idea was just to capture and cage Hillary Clinton under no actual pretense or procedure

Build The Wall was a bigger deal than Lock Her Up

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1540755945256632320?s=21&t=E7-KnTcEjGsVE6VKFCzXVQ

https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1540755954395930624?s=21&t=E7-KnTcEjGsVE6VKFCzXVQ

Thank you for understanding me AOC

Dancedreamer posted...

I'd say what I think should happen, but I don't want to be modded. But I think the Supreme Court needs to be made to feel as uncomfortable as possible.

As much as the right has complained about censorship what I wouldn't mind happening is pretty much instantly bannable to say anywhere of note.

I wouldvery much like someone to wheel a guillotine up to the Supreme Court building just for show and see how people react

I agree with everything AOC is saying there. That's what I mean when I say Biden should be doing more. He just gets up there and goes "pls no violence pls" while everything is collapsing around him. He's an impotent dope and people don't want to keep hearing "This is terrible, but if you vote we can fix it" because nobody fucking believes that because nobody is working hard enough to make us believe that.

I also believe Biden and other Dem leaders should be making Manchin and Sinema's lives an absolute hell. Just nonstop harassment and threats to tank their future as politicians. Do whatever they have to in order to make them play ball, because if they're not going to work with the Democratic party to uphold basic human rights then fuck them, they can't be trusted to work in line with them about anything else.

While I think AOC is right, to offer a defense to Biden here: He basically has to say that because "moderates" freak the fuck out if he says anything else. It's an infuriating double standard because they don't seem to blink at the right when they talk about "2nd Amendment remedies" or, seemingly, attempt an insurrection.

As for Manchin and Sinema. There's basically zero leverage anyone has on Manchin. He's the only Dem who can hold that seat so forcing him out just makes it a Republican seat and puts McConnell back in control. Hell, he can counter threaten to switch parties to do that himself. And Sinema seems like her own special brand of insane. She's going to get primary'd out of her seat but just doesn't appear to care whatsoever. Former aides to her have described her as someone who thinks she's the smartest person in whatever room she walks into and she just ignores any calling out. Hell, Biden did call them out months ago and nothing happened.

He, and Dem leadership, have to do more but those specifically seem like dead ends to me.

Moderates freak out if you do anything but support the system while we careen towards our doom is not an argument.

Ive literally said from the jump that it wasnt going to be effective or save us, so I dont know why we bother supporting it.

If youre satisfied by appeasement and maintaining stability in the face of people who legitimately want our women and LGBT friends quiet/dead/stripped of rights whatever, then sorry but we are not on the same side, and Ive been saying this.

If Manchin is already talking like a Republican, voting like a Republican, shitting on his party like a Republican and spending money like a Republican then what the hell does it even matter if he gets replaced by a Republican anymore.

Kamala Harris is the absolute drizzling shits.

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1540477371500863490?s=20&t=oJhI9Sdl_E9rNLx3zwVUmQ

PerfectChaosZ posted...

If Manchin is already talking like a Republican, voting like a Republican, shitting on his party like a Republican and spending money like a Republican then what the hell does it even matter if he gets replaced by a Republican anymore.

Senate doesn't get to have any judges ever and can't bring things up. This is a very, very not thought out post.

PerfectChaosZ posted...

If Manchin is already talking like a Republican, voting like a Republican, shitting on his party like a Republican and spending money like a Republican then what the hell does it even matter if he gets replaced by a Republican anymore.

Well, instead of him retiring to make room for Ketanji Brown Jackson, we'd be looking at Stephen Breyer dying and getting replaced by another Republican justice to make it 7-2 instead of 6-3, since Mitch has learned he can just hold a seat open indefinitely when the GOP has control of the Senate. And the same goes for all lesser courts as well. It's paying dividends for him now.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Senate doesn't get to have any judges ever and can't bring things up. This is a very, very not thought out post.

And committees are Republican dominated so nothing gets voted on either!

masterplum posted...

And committees are Republican dominated so nothing gets voted on either!

To be fair, this isn't a thing, since already nothing gets voted on due to the filibuster.

masterplum posted...

And committees are Republican dominated so nothing gets voted on either!

We've gotten a few middling things. Also we're seeing now that judges are kinda important...!

Judges are only important at this point if they are dead. We know how they'll rule on everything right now.

Leafeon13N posted...

Judges are only important at this point if they are dead. We know how they'll rule on everything right now.

Exactly. Any day could be a day that Clarence Thomas or Samuel Alito dies. After all, no one expected Scalia to go when he did. And if we have a Dem president and a Dem Senate, then that means we get to shift the court back towards the left a little bit more.

Guys, I know this may be hard to comprehend at this very moment, but other tiers of judges make decisions that impact lives a lot too <_<. Now most of them may end up in the bad place right now, but not all and not in a timely manner.

I'm doing the opposite of mourning if the bad ones die in a timely manner.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Guys, I know this may be hard to comprehend at this very moment, but other tiers of judges make decisions that impact lives a lot too <_<. Now most of them may end up in the bad place right now, but not all and not in a timely manner.

I'm aware. McConnell blocked a LOT of judges at multiple levels that Trump was able to place when he got the trifecta in 2016. Wasn't ACB one of those judges before getting onto SCOTUS?