Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1370

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Leonhart4
06/17/22 12:43:18 PM
#102:


Melee is the worst type of rally. 2013 Link was a counter-rally. That rally doesn't exist if Draven isn't rallying in the first place (and the Draven rally had a huge backfire rate to begin with).

I don't remember talk of a Link rally in 2003, but the Planet GameCube rally in 2002 was also lame.

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Big Bob
06/17/22 6:15:17 PM
#103:


Melee is the best type of rally because it's the only rally I correctly called in my bracket.

*grumble*I could've won*grumble*

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Team Rocket Elite
06/17/22 6:25:16 PM
#104:


I had Mario 64 beating SSBM in the semifinals of my bracket. The Undertale and SSBM rallies bailed me out so hard I made Top 50 that year despite not having a clue what I was doing.

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Leonhart4
06/17/22 7:17:49 PM
#105:


That's similar to how I (and a few others) ended up on the final leaderboard in 2007 because we had Cloud > Link and having Link in 2nd in your bracket was more valuable.

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LusterSoldier
06/18/22 12:00:54 AM
#106:


Our first new age poll since 2019:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8857-

Time to see how much it's increased in 3 years.

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ctesjbuvf
06/18/22 3:58:31 AM
#107:


25-28 and still so low.

I do think PotD would show us being significantly older than the whole site actually is though.

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Leonhart4
06/18/22 4:07:23 AM
#108:


We've got more voters over 46 than under 25

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abdou
06/18/22 7:30:57 AM
#109:




I guess it's the same demographics voting in contests. Man at one point we used to have this "after school vote" thing...we don't have to worry about that any longer hahaha

on a more serious note, GameFAQs/SBAllen have failed horribly. How do you let this site get so old? why aren't we adding new users? there are more gamers now than ever, yet the 13-25 age group doesn't even know this website exist. They're all on reddit and Twitch !
Maybe we should start allowing people to stream games right here..

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ctesjbuvf
06/18/22 7:34:47 AM
#110:


Don't most kids have smartphones anyways? It would be much easier for them to vote during a break in school unlike back when it was big.

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Not_Wylvane
06/18/22 7:47:22 AM
#111:


Rallies are bad when they help things I dislike and are good when they help things I like.

L-Block was funny as a one-off thing and it was kinda cool to see its natural strength change based on that performance. I'm fine with the Undertale rally because the fanbase was actually pretty cool about it, they were just passionate for the game and weren't really mean-spirited about it. It was fucking awesome watching Vivi of all characters get rallied to beat Mario. And of course Pokemon wrecking stuff is always hilarious to me.

The Draven stuff was very mean-spirited on the other hand, which took a bit of fun out of his meteoric rise, though Link/Draven/Shepard is still a god damn all-time classic for the insanity and drama it had. Likewise, I didn't really like Melee > CT mostly because it was the best CT looked in ages and it was probably the one chance it had to actually give OoT a good fight, but again, the actual match between the two was a fun one itself.

I don't think it's an either/or situation. You can like some rallies and dislike others. At the end of the day it's a dumb little popularity contest that only weird nerds like us are really passionate about. The people who voted for L-Block, Draven, and Undertale probably don't even remember them winning these contests like we still do.

At the end of the day, it's all moot because we're all going to die and our planet and history will be absorbed by the sun, and thus future civilizations will never get to witness the time Kuja lost to a giant hand, and in a way that's both depressing and comforting.

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Leonhart4
06/18/22 11:27:07 AM
#112:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Don't most kids have smartphones anyways? It would be much easier for them to vote during a break in school unlike back when it was big.

Yeah, the advent of smartphones basically killed contest trends because now people can just vote anytime and don't have to wait until they get home.

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squexa
06/18/22 12:52:15 PM
#113:


abdou posted...
I guess it's the same demographics voting in contests. Man at one point we used to have this "after school vote" thing...we don't have to worry about that any longer hahaha

on a more serious note, GameFAQs/SBAllen have failed horribly. How do you let this site get so old? why aren't we adding new users? there are more gamers now than ever, yet the 13-25 age group doesn't even know this website exist. They're all on reddit and Twitch !
Maybe we should start allowing people to stream games right here..

GameFAQs missed the boat on transitioning to the social media era and it's too late now. I think the main issue is that GameFAQs only operates as a host of other people's content, which means they have little control over how people write their walkthroughs. This means inconsistent levels of quality (there are still walkthroughs using ASCII in 2022) and lots of gaps in content. I tried to find a walkthrough for Halo Infinite a while ago and found out we had none. Like... I get Halo's not what it used to be, but not having any guide at all for a mainline Halo is pretty bad.

Also, forums are dying as a whole and GameFAQs is conservative even by forum standards. Gen Z communicates in pictures, videos, memes and emojis. GameFAQs forums are still almost entirely text based. And even if we do start appealing to Gen Z, how many of them would want to join a community of 30-40 year olds that know each other for decades?

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_SecretSquirrel
06/18/22 1:09:48 PM
#114:


Of course, if we ended up adding a more contemporary audience to the site, that would have implications on which entrants would be elite level and which entrants wouldn't be.

Games like Chrono Trigger pretty much thrive on the site being in a time warp, whereas some of the most popular games in the world like Minecraft are in the mud.

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Team Rocket Elite
06/18/22 1:12:50 PM
#115:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6065-best-game-ever-day-4-minecraft-vs-halo-combat-evolved
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7988-division-3-round-2-marvels-spider-man-vs-minecraft

Minecraft does okay, all things considered.

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Leonhart4
06/18/22 1:14:02 PM
#116:


Yeah, for being a casual game, Minecraft does okay. Certainly way better than something like Fortnite.

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WarThaNemesis2
06/18/22 1:17:09 PM
#117:


JRPGs in general are held up by this site having picked up no new users in the last decade. Basically every other site that runs character contests results in Cloud and Sephiroth getting completely smoked.

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_SecretSquirrel
06/18/22 1:17:12 PM
#118:


Yeah, but imagine Minecraft if GameFAQs had the same demographics it had in 2003.

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LinkMarioSamus
06/18/22 1:17:31 PM
#119:


It feels like basically any big blockbuster game that doesn't have much contest strength is "casual". Minecraft is not really something that comes to mind when it comes to "casual" games, especially considering how notoriously intimidating the game was to newcomers before tutorials were added. So even if it is "casual", it sure isn't in the same vein as something like Call of Duty or GTA. To say nothing of mobile games!

I guess you're talking more contest strength but boy is it strange.

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Seanchan
06/18/22 1:33:04 PM
#120:


squexa posted...
GameFAQs missed the boat on transitioning to the social media era and it's too late now. I think the main issue is that GameFAQs only operates as a host of other people's content, which means they have little control over how people write their walkthroughs. This means inconsistent levels of quality (there are still walkthroughs using ASCII in 2022) and lots of gaps in content. I tried to find a walkthrough for Halo Infinite a while ago and found out we had none. Like... I get Halo's not what it used to be, but not having any guide at all for a mainline Halo is pretty bad.

Also, forums are dying as a whole and GameFAQs is conservative even by forum standards. Gen Z communicates in pictures, videos, memes and emojis. GameFAQs forums are still almost entirely text based. And even if we do start appealing to Gen Z, how many of them would want to join a community of 30-40 year olds that know each other for decades?

I think it's only natural that a site known for old ass ASCII guides would still have people writing ASCII guides for it. And that it's forums would reflect that as well.

Lets be honest, I think we're kind of lucky GameFAQs is still around. I imagine it gets enough traffic/ad revenue to keep running but not enough to actively develop and promote. I know SBAllen does some work on the site but I got the impression that he has other responsibilities as well within Red Ventures. I wouldn't think it's like the CJayC years where it sounded this site alone was a 40 hour a week job.

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charmander6000
06/18/22 2:00:27 PM
#121:


Yeah, GameFAQs being "low tech" is a big reason why it is still around. In its current form, it is relatively low cost to run despite its size.

Just the cost of storage for pictures or videos would probably render the site unprofitable at its current state.

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squexa
06/18/22 2:30:14 PM
#122:


Seanchan posted...
I think it's only natural that a site known for old ass ASCII guides would still have people writing ASCII guides for it. And that it's forums would reflect that as well.

Yeah, but it'll definitely alienate anyone who didn't grow up under ASCII guides and scare away young people from the site. I just searched "Elden Ring Godskin Duo" on Google as a test and I get a ton of detailed guides with pictures + videos from Polygon, vg247, IGN and a bunch of random sites. GameFAQs doesn't appear at all and I had to manually go to the Elden Ring page on GameFAQs to find the one walkthrough for it and it's all text.

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LusterSoldier
06/18/22 11:06:47 PM
#123:


Now that we've gone almost 3 years in between age polls, I hope Allen re-runs other demographic polls such as the continent poll (last run in 2013) and the Male/Female poll (last run in 2014).

The continent poll could be interesting to see again as Europe had already shown signs of trending upwards in the 2013 poll. The Male/Female poll was showing a trend of "Female" slowly increasing in the years prior to 2014, though this is likely from the increase in people identifying as trans (along with the site's static userbase).

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LusterSoldier
06/19/22 12:39:40 AM
#124:


With another age poll completed, the average age of the userbase has increased from 32.55 in the 2019 poll to 35.49 in yesterday's poll. The average date of birth has gone backwards by 36 days from 1/25/1987 to 12/20/1986. This is the first time since the 2006 age poll the average date of birth has gone backwards into the year 1986.

Updated the wiki page on this subject:

https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/GameFAQs_Average_Age

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snake_5036
06/19/22 2:08:24 AM
#125:


I'll be honest, I appreciate still having a remnant of the early internet up and at least resembling what it did years ago. Not many of these sites are left, and if they are, they've been slaughtered with sponsored posts, "we think you'll like this," out of chronological order posts (designed to maximize "engagement"), loads of tracking nonsense, content farming, and all that other stupid bullshit nobody enjoys but it still gets pushed on us because it makes giant companies money and they don't give a shit about user experiences anymore.

It might not be great for attracting new people, but I'd rather the site go out this way than the alternatives we've seen happen over the years to other sites.

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LeonhartFour
06/22/22 12:06:32 AM
#126:


looks like Wordle wouldn't be a powerhouse in a contest

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swirIdude
06/22/22 12:12:40 AM
#127:


Round 1: Wordle is a LOSER

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BlAcK TuRtLe
06/22/22 12:02:11 PM
#128:


abdou posted...
I guess it's the same demographics voting in contests. Man at one point we used to have this "after school vote" thing...we don't have to worry about that any longer hahaha

on a more serious note, GameFAQs/SBAllen have failed horribly. How do you let this site get so old? why aren't we adding new users? there are more gamers now than ever, yet the 13-25 age group doesn't even know this website exist. They're all on reddit and Twitch !
Maybe we should start allowing people to stream games right here..
Trying to chase the GenZ crowd would instantly ruin this site. I think pretty much everyone that regularly, or even just periodically uses GameFAQs is happy with things just as they are. Trying to "copy" the style of Youtube video walk through is a losing battle, as that format inherently sucks for 95% of the situations you would need a guide for. Gen Z kids for the most part aren't playing the type of game you need a walk through for anyways, as most of them are tied up in F2P multiplayer games like Fortnite/Apex/Rocket League/etc. or garbage mobile games.

Whether it's intentional or not, I appreciate Sailor Bacon not messing with the formula of the site too much, as we've seen other longstanding websites utterly ruined by chasing younger audiences that will never engage with them anyways (see the recent fucktastrophe that is Giant Bomb).

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Yesmar_
06/22/22 2:56:13 PM
#129:


Archiving the game, and then special interest boards, while still locking them was a mistake. Yes, I know that plenty of other communities don't purge message board topics, but as a general rule you can still post in their topics indefinitely. The combination of archiving/locking completely stifled communication, which then led to a collapse in the userbase/community. Yes it eliminated "repetitive conversations" but contributing to those repetitive conversations was probably the reason 90% of people made their accounts in the first place.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
06/22/22 3:01:44 PM
#130:


Ya, I can agree with that. It's similar to how a lot of popular Reddit communities just outright "ban" discussion or certain types of posts (r/Music being a FANTASTIC example of this where they pretty much ban any post involving pretty much every popular band from the last 70 years) which makes it literally impossible for a new user to engage with the community. Communities should be free to have discussions without interference from moderation/admin telling people what they can and can't post about

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Leonhart4
06/22/22 3:31:20 PM
#131:


Yep, I've said for years that archiving topics led to the slow death of the message boards.

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redrocket
06/22/22 3:37:05 PM
#132:


But those topics would have just purged before? What did this change?

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WarThaNemesis2
06/22/22 3:38:50 PM
#133:


Archiving topics, like many things, is really cool when used well.

When an archive is used to keep cool information or especially amusing topics (example: an archive of Contest Stats topics), that's great.

When it's used to stifle discussion, that's not so great.

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Leonhart4
06/22/22 3:57:45 PM
#134:


redrocket posted...
But those topics would have just purged before? What did this change?

Yeah, they just purged.

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LeonhartFour
06/23/22 12:07:57 AM
#135:


re-running this poll with all the exact same options huh

the blatant disrespect to Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 to include Pokemon Snap instead not once but twice

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KamikazePotato
06/23/22 12:08:54 AM
#136:


I will not stand for this Jet Force Gemini erasure

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Mac Arrowny
06/23/22 1:53:24 AM
#137:


wtf removing Conker and Perfect Dark for DK64 and Pokemon Snap TWICE

they could at least add MK64 and SF64 instead yeah

KamikazePotato posted...
I will not stand for this Jet Force Gemini erasure
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/31-the-best-of-1999-nintendo-64

well, I guess it beat Pokemon Snap...

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BlAcK TuRtLe
06/23/22 2:01:00 AM
#138:


Remove Banjo, DK64 and Pokemon Snap, add in Perfect Dark, MK64 and Star Fox

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KamikazePotato
06/23/22 2:03:59 AM
#139:


Wow, opinions on DK64 have really soured over time.

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Leonhart4
06/23/22 12:17:57 PM
#140:


KamikazePotato posted...
Wow, opinions on DK64 have really soured over time.

Eh, I think that GotY poll was recency bias since the game had just come out.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/263-what-do-you-think-is-the-best-nintendo-64-game-of-all-time

It finished dead last in this poll half a year later.

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pjbasis
06/23/22 1:58:23 PM
#141:


And Banjo actually rose a lot since then nice

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squexa
06/23/22 7:21:49 PM
#142:


OoT slowly boosting every time they rerun the poll

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