Board 8 > just started house in fata morgana (ongoing spoilers)

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SeabassDebeste
06/12/22 11:44:44 AM
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cool intro

but please don't turn into brother-sister incest. don't like where this flashback is headed so far

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_stingers_
06/12/22 11:56:07 AM
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tag

its a beautiful game, enjoy

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UshiromiyaEva
06/12/22 12:24:42 PM
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Literally a life changing experience for me.

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masterplum
06/12/22 12:27:16 PM
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Its good.

I think its a bit over hyped and isnt a transcendental experience or anything, but it does a good job of keeping you on your toes of where the hell is this going.

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SeabassDebeste
06/12/22 2:00:13 PM
#5:


oh thank god. mell's kind of creeping on vampire girl, but at least he's not actually interested in his sister.

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SeabassDebeste
06/12/22 10:49:43 PM
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there has to be more going on here than white-haired girl just being a beggar, right?

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Maniac64
06/13/22 2:14:27 PM
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I feel like @Llarian should be tagged into this topic.

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Llarian
06/13/22 2:44:59 PM
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Maniac64 posted...
I feel like @Llarian should be tagged into this topic.
yoooo I am here, tag

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SeabassDebeste
06/14/22 7:59:23 AM
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got to the end of the first door last night.

this game is giving me major higurashi vibes with the way it flashes blood and the insane cackles from nellie. i felt genuinely creeped when the switch vibrated n my hands.

while like so many other japanese-translated visual novels, the dramatic writing can result in super awkward sentence structure, the overall wistful, mournful tone of the narrator manages to come through in enough interludes to be incredibly effective, melancholy, and foreboding..

i definitely didn't see where that story was headed - mell's finally snapping was dismal; nellie's undoing extremely creepy; and the twist on WHG's identity satisfying and unsettling. we're supposed to be grossed out by the brother-sister obsession, making it more understandable.

why can't we stay young forever?

looks like we're skipping a hundred years forward for our next chapter...

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plasmabeam
06/14/22 8:09:41 AM
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masterplum posted...
Its good.

I think its a bit over hyped and isnt a transcendental experience or anything, but it does a good job of keeping you on your toes of where the hell is this going.

Basically my feelings as well. It's unique, but there are some major pacing issues on the back end.

My biggest non-spoiler complaint is the overabundance of "..." lines of dialogue. There are certain sections of the story where "..." is every other line, and I must've tapped the X button a few thousand more times than I needed to.

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SeabassDebeste
06/14/22 8:17:42 AM
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yeah, i think long dramatic parties are kind of part and parcel with these VNs. with like AA or danganronpa i can be content to play them out and let the text scroll, since they're often saying more enjoyable/sharp writing. here the wordiness is such that i'm mostly just clicking quickly through

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masterplum
06/14/22 8:40:47 AM
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plasmabeam posted...
Basically my feelings as well. It's unique, but there are some major pacing issues on the back end.

My biggest non-spoiler complaint is the overabundance of "..." lines of dialogue. There are certain sections of the story where "..." is every other line, and I must've tapped the X button a few thousand more times than I needed to.

BLLLAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH

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plasmabeam
06/14/22 8:40:47 AM
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Yeah, I tried to be patient with Fata Morgana, but toward the end, I was hammering the button to speed things along.

I still need to check out the bonus content. Heard good thinks about the side stories.

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masterplum
06/14/22 8:45:49 AM
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plasmabeam posted...
Yeah, I tried to be patient with Fata Morgana, but toward the end, I was hammering the button to speed things along.

I still need to check out the bonus content. Heard good thinks about the side stories.

Haha same here. I got to the bonus content and really was not interested as I think the thing the VN has going for it is the discovery and the bonus content seemed to just expand on what was already revealed.

I was like... nah. I've had enough

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plasmabeam
06/14/22 8:52:24 AM
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That's a good point. I mean, I'm interested in getting more backstory on the characters, but it's not a strong enough draw from me to invest another 10+ hours of free time.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/14/22 11:31:26 AM
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To verify what you mean by bonus content...do you mean the expansions? Because that's an entire other VN worth of content, including one full Epilogue VN that's fully voice acted. All the bonus content in general is about as long as the main game. It's also where some of the best content in the game is, and some of the most emotionally impactful. "Bonus Content" isn't really the right word.

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_stingers_
06/15/22 8:22:19 PM
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I loved the game but I can agree that the ending pacing isn't great. But I feel like if you're the type that will enjoy this game it won't detract that much

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SeabassDebeste
06/15/22 10:54:41 PM
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okay then

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Axl_Rose_85
06/15/22 11:52:53 PM
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masterplum posted...
Its good.

I think its a bit over hyped and isnt a transcendental experience or anything, but it does a good job of keeping you on your toes of where the hell is this going.

I agree with this
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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 9:07:10 AM
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this beast storyline is creepy but not really gripping at all

pauline is interesting in that she feels like she comes from another genre entirely

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 9:12:27 AM
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okay fuck these flashing lights on a big tv. hate that shit.

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 9:44:56 AM
#22:


does seem like the pauline parts aren't being told by the maid though? she indicates that the player character is "starting into the distance" after those segments

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 10:51:23 AM
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okay that was a cool twist on the beast storyline. did feel pretty dragged out though.

i've since extended my hand and am being plunged healing into another flashback

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masterplum
06/20/22 10:53:23 AM
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The beast story was pretty weak yeah

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 11:00:59 AM
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okay, so the mansion appears to be continent-going in this next section?

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KamikazePotato
06/20/22 11:06:06 AM
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SeabassDebeste posted...
okay, so the mansion appears to be continent-going in this next section?
Yup


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UshiromiyaEva
06/20/22 12:00:19 PM
#27:


This is where the game really started to click for me.

It's not, like, remotely the best part considering the second half, but as far as these first 3 sections go this part is killer.

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 1:13:12 PM
#28:


the white-haired girl being explicitly a new character/reincarnation for part 3 makes me feel a little less disoriented about part 2/the beast.

the music in this section is a step up from the previous sections, where it was evocative but not very enjoyable. the track with our magnate is a banger and i really like the song that played during WHG's flashback

that said, haven't seen much from the flashback that indicated this actually was likable. citation still needed there.

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 5:48:52 PM
#29:


well maria was very enjoyable as a villainess! shame she failed to kill jacopo.

this next segment has way more freedom than i'd anticipated this game having after like 10 hours!

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 5:57:19 PM
#30:


oh, here we go, last door.

going to get some answers here!

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UshiromiyaEva
06/20/22 6:00:57 PM
#31:


My only recommendation is this.

Every few minutes you should go back and just quickly scroll though the log history.


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KamikazePotato
06/20/22 6:06:58 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
My only recommendation is this.

Every few minutes you should go back and just quickly scroll though the log history.


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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 6:32:15 PM
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i started noticing this without even the tip. this dude's dialogue blocks out "curse." thought i was going insane at first, but it also seems to block out many of his references to himself!

so far, so coy though!

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 6:48:23 PM
#34:


had to double check what that flash of red text said. literally a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 7:03:36 PM
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wait what that is a LOT of red text i missed

are the xxxxxx's supposed to tell me something is a lie on the memory as has been hinted?

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 7:26:33 PM
#36:


wow, did not expect to be at do or die already.

have saved - going for accept the proposition first!

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KamikazePotato
06/20/22 7:36:33 PM
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SeabassDebeste posted...
wait what that is a LOT of red text i missed
I always waffle on whether or not to tell people about the red text, because discovering it organically was SUCH an amazing moment for me that reshaped all of Door 4, but it's also very easy to completely miss and Door 4 is way worse without it

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SeabassDebeste
06/20/22 7:39:09 PM
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i caught like one instance of red text halfway through and a few random comments - but that one scene in the observatory apparently has it every other line

anyway, two endings have apparently added up two very little - but "the work is not finished" is almost certainly going to explain more

michel in ending 2 (reject the maid) certainly seems to imply that there's something to the red text, saying that he should have taken WHG's hand...

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pezzicle
06/20/22 8:02:26 PM
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masterplum posted...
Its good.

I think its a bit over hyped and isnt a transcendental experience or anything, but it does a good job of keeping you on your toes of where the hell is this going.

Ya this. I actually just finished it a few weeks ago and it's a good story but it has pretty bad pacing issues in the first 5 or so hours and again in the last 5 or so which were really tough for me

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SeabassDebeste
06/21/22 7:06:25 AM
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so with the "it ain't over" option, a red-lettered voice reallydoesn't want us to solve it. we're almost certainly the cursed figure (and not the WHG)... and we're now down that the maid is not the witch morgana but the girl giselle. this "reclaim yourself" option appearing over and over again reminds me a lot of the ending to danganronpa 2.

the maid herself is terrified of pushjing further. we are given the option to back out now, which results in an ending (3) very similar to the first ending, but more explicitly unsettled

finally delving into the good stuff now, though. this "door 5" story is told from both the maid and the cursed man's POV and it's way me engagingly written than any of the vignettes we've been shown so far. it doesn't hop timelines as much, it's deeply subjective, and while it covers many of the same scenes we've seen before, the details have drastically changed. giselle isn't a virgin mary sacrificial lamb type but more of a peppy archetype - and one with a real backstory.

the game has gone like an hour-plus without showing the title card which usually marks my save points, so i finally quit during the actual flashback, where we see why giselle slept with the master of the house...

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pezzicle
06/21/22 8:32:18 AM
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You've reached the point where the story finally picks up and moves for the next 10-15 hours. Enjoy

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plasmabeam
06/21/22 8:47:04 AM
#42:


pezzicle posted...
You've reached the point where the story finally picks up and moves for the next 10-15 hours. Enjoy

While there is definitely some good content during this stretch, I recall some agonizing pacing issues as well.

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plasmabeam
06/21/22 8:48:38 AM
#43:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
To verify what you mean by bonus content...do you mean the expansions? Because that's an entire other VN worth of content, including one full Epilogue VN that's fully voice acted. All the bonus content in general is about as long as the main game. It's also where some of the best content in the game is, and some of the most emotionally impactful. "Bonus Content" isn't really the right word.

Yeah, the expansions. And thats some high praise. I may need to fire this one up again.


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SeabassDebeste
06/21/22 10:30:29 AM
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pezzicle posted...
You've reached the point where the story finally picks up and moves for the next 10-15 hours. Enjoy

i am kinda glad to hear that.

i don't mind the deliberate pacing if i think interesting stuff is happening. like right now, we're definitely slow-burning "door 5," but it's far, far more compelling than the vignettes we've been down so far. but the interesting stuff that reveals mysteries has been super far and few between.

favorite moments thus far

- the fiancee merchant is the beast, revelation

- maria campanella laughing

- slow reveal that the maid, not WHG, is giselle

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KamikazePotato
06/21/22 2:50:54 PM
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I really love Door 5 and Door 6.

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pezzicle
06/21/22 3:00:23 PM
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plasmabeam posted...
While there is definitely some good content during this stretch, I recall some agonizing pacing issues as well.
For sure, but this part is most certainly better than what happened before

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SeabassDebeste
06/22/22 3:15:42 PM
#47:


well giselle's backstory was really rough to read.

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UshiromiyaEva
06/22/22 3:49:34 PM
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Keep those tissues handy.

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SeabassDebeste
06/22/22 11:24:11 PM
#49:


the boob shots are probably the worst thing about this game and this route has had a lot of them.

that said this route is also really good so far. i'm no expert but it seems insanely hard to do a trauma victim character with this much care and humanity. in spite of the cleavage (which does belie it), the story is handling giselle beautifully.

just got through the moonlit night with the love confessions exchanged. waiting for the next door to drop... real hard.

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SeabassDebeste
06/24/22 10:16:24 AM
#50:


whew. cleared doors 5 and 6.

this game has done an incredible job of instilling dread. we keep alluding to how michel hurts giselle. while it hurts us as a viewer seeing michel and giselle split up and murdered by the angry mob, there's some actual relief in knowing that their death isn't because of betrayal.

door 6 sells the descent of giselle to maid to witch morgana. the fact that she's entirely conscious for the whole thousand years with no one but the witch as company is mind-boggling. i really like the brief look we get at the three vignettes from the maid's POV and the reason that the WHG's name has been obscured until now. could see it coming, but it didn't make it any less satisfying.

the bad end (#4) at the end of door 6 is also really clever. there's only one dialogue choice, but i'm pretty sure that you get the "hesitation" death by bringing up the menu to save there, right? if so, that's a really cool meta element. (if it was literally just counting the seconds, then that's a lot lamer.)

anyway yeah, here comes the witch of course. this is probably the least interesting way to get us to continue, but i'm still interested. who is michel's ex? (he mentions past love.) who is that girl in the painting? who is the man in the talking painting? and why/how did michel unleash the witch to begin with?

all this, next time!

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