Board 8 > Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi topic

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Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, I don't see the justification for a second season here.

I don't think Disney cares about justifications.

CassandraCain posted...

I don't think Disney cares about justifications.

I guess we could have six episodes of Qui-Gon teaching Obi-Wan how to become a Force Ghost

you also can't really get the Kenobi-Leia team up again and she was a big spotlight here

maybe it would go like Book of Boba, do a few eps of Kenobi & Krrsantan on Tattooine then quickly shift over to an episode of Leia and an episode of Vader, then come back to finish off the Kenobi-Krrsantan plot for the finale

Binged all of this over the last couple of days and uh, definitely can't relate to the people getting super excited and being moved to tears. Don't want to be cynical but by episode 4 I was feeling incredibly down on this. 5 and 6 were significant improvements but man, a lot of damage was already done by then.

Leia having this huge adventure with Obi-Wan and knowing exactly who he is by itself fucks canon so badly that this show probably straight up wouldn't have been approved in the pre-Disney era, which is really saying something if you know all the whacky shit that was. Like, it's kind of hilarious to me that they had all those lines at the end of the final showdown trying to smooth over minor inconsistencies when they just blasted this gaping plot hole straight through episode 4.

It's crazy to see the polarity of the response to this series. Half the people (including myself) see it as a pile of low-budget trash that shits all over the OT and established canon, yet you have people in this topic saying they were "moved to tears". What is the explanation for people being able to completely ignore the multitude of logic and canon issues this series has to just turn their brains off and "have the feels" as the kids say?

luke making out with his sister

it's 40 years I don't give a shit about a few retcons to give us further enjoyable content, same way I never really cared about Darth later being turned into a general Sith title and Obi-Wan's tattered hermit robes into an official Jedi uniform.

Idk, I think for those of us who liked it, we just reached a point where we knew it wasnt perfect, but we appreciated it for what it was and what it gave us. I mean, I don't think this series was meant for someone to watch it cynically holding a microscope to it.

Take some advice from Palpatine: "Clear your mind. Your letting hatred cloud your vision. Release your attachment to the Original trilogy. It was not without its own issues."

I think that's what he said at the end of the show.

Yeah I'm trying to get to that place and largely succeeding since I do legit think eps 5 and 6 are really solid, but I do maintain there's a difference between calling out actually sloppy writing and holding up a microscope to every new entry. I can see from some of the general discourse I'm now seeing out there that there's a *lot* of the latter happening to this series in particular.

I'm somewhere in the middle, I didn't care for the show as a whole but I did quite enjoy a few scenes here and there (mainly in eps 5/6). At this point that's unfortunately all I can ask from Star Wars...

I dont think pointing out that it makes no goddamn sense for 10 year old Princess Leia to be on a fun kidnapping adventure with her new BFF Obi-Wan Kenobi that she apparently completely forgot about 10 years later in ANH

CassandraCain posted...

I'm somewhere in the middle, I didn't care for the show as a whole but I did quite enjoy a few scenes here and there (mainly in eps 5/6). At this point that's unfortunately all I can ask from Star Wars...

I still haven't watched episode 6, but my general feeling is that it's a significant improvement compared to Book of Boba Fett (which was legit awful), slightly below season 2 of Mando (which I was kinda lukewarm about) and well below season 1 of Mando (which was great).

Episode 6 could probably move it at or above Mando 2, and there's legitimately no way it could fall to Boba Fett levels because Boba Fett makes Attack of the Clones look like Citizen Kane.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I dont think pointing out that it makes no goddamn sense for 10 year old Princess Leia to be on a fun kidnapping adventure with her new BFF Obi-Wan Kenobi that she apparently completely forgot about 10 years later in ANH

I hope you never learn about comic books

Except they literally explain why Leia acts like she doesn't know him in the recording.

Obi-Wan > Mando > Boba for live action shows.

Love all 3.

Honestly for the most part it the worst of the star wars shows, but it does give us some of the things we wanted to see.

Some of what Obi-Wan did in exile(stole slices of meat from his legitimate employer)

A glimpse at young Luke and Leia(even if one got almost no screen time)

And a brief cameo of Qui-Gon!!!

And ill just leave it at that. It was at least better than the last trilogy but it would have taken considerable effort to make it that bad.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I hope you never learn about comic books

This is legitimately one of the main reasons I could never get into comic books. No continuity, no logic, just empty/soulless fanservice, just like what Star Wars has become

RPGlord95 posted...

Except they literally explain why Leia acts like she doesn't know him in the recording.

Explained in the series? Summarize for me, as I couldn't get past episode 3 and have no plans to watch the rest

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

just empty/soulless fanservice, just like what Star Wars has become

I'd hate to break it to you but this was at least somewhat true ever since the prequels.

So you didn't even watch it and decided it's bad. Okay thanks for coming.

it has stumbles for sure but I think Boba takes worst spot because the structure is just so awkward, 3 episodes poorly jumbling around an uneven flashback-presentday balance then jumping to a entirely different show for two eps before coming back to the finale

it's something that works for a longer series but as a short 6-episode program it just felt poorly focused, even though I absolutely loved some of those side episodes, they kinda just make you think "while why did they make this a Boba show"

I think the moment I realized I was done with the Boba Fett show was when he was searching the sarlacc pit for his armor. When we literally saw him in the very first episode climb out of the pit armor intact and watched it get stolen.

Damn ep6 was freaking fantastic. Great finale to the show. I really enjoyed it overall and I'm glad I'm not one of those people that has to nitpick every little thing and can just sit back and enjoy. The final showdown with Vader was awesome and better than their episode 3 showdown. Was just super hype.

Mando > Obi-Wan > Boba Fett feels like a pretty clear hierarchy for Star Wars shows

I guess you could argue whether Obi-Wan is better than Mando Season 2 but that's about it

I feel like Mando made no real missteps so it's hard not to have it at the top for me.

I'm pretty happy with Kenobi! The minor continuity quibbles don't really cause me any concern.

tbh I don't really have the memory capability to compare Mando & Obi

Boba & Obi is easy since they released so close and it's just one 6-ep season compared to another

Mando is definitely better in measurable ways, but Obi-Wan was like, made for me. That final episode hit every single note I wanted. Love letter to Nick

Whiskey_Nick posted...

Mando is definitely better in measurable ways, but Obi-Wan was like, made for me. That final episode hit every single note I wanted. Love letter to Nick

yeah I mean this is something that may apply with me too, I love me my fanservice including stuff others definitely complain about

but yeah again I don't really have a concrete perception of each Mando season, maybe I'll have to do a rewatch or something but it's just like it's own, good, different thing to me

I'm also just often very fine with not ranking things I just enjoy for different reasons, like I got no clue what my MCU ranking is beyond "I really liked these movies and really didn't like Black Widow"

Loved that final episode

Unexpected emotions at the end of the duel

Really really good shit

So finally sat down and watched the final episode.

It was... okay. Much like the series as a whole. It just felt like it didn't do enough to connect the two trilogies, and I'm not talking about continuity issues. Just in general, Leia really doesn't undergo any development throughout the series. Obi-Wan really doesn't have much a personality still. Anakin's obsession with Obi-Wan is handwaved rather quickly at the end of the series. Just a whole this series felt... unnecessary? Like Solo. The performances were good but it was in service of story that didn't need to be told and wasn't told particularly well. Hell, why bother killing the Grand Inquisitor early in the series only to bring him back in the second to last episode and do... nothing with him in the finale?

Like the entire story needed to be about how Obi-Wan reached the wise old teacher by A New Hope and the only real hint we get of that is him wandering off with Qui-Gon. Otherwise all I felt I was watching was PT Obi-Wan with better acting and scripting.

The fight between Obi-Wan vs. Vader was fine although it shows the ridiculous power-creep of Force Powers and felt a little too DBZ for me at times.

Like this show wasn't downright painful to watch at times like Boba Fett and bless them for giving Hayden a chance to prove that his awful performances in the PT weren't on him since he was fine in this, but this felt like unrealized potential.

Finished Mandalorian and started Book of Boba Fett. I feel like I understand why people are kinda down on the latter but I was okay with episode 1. Highly doubt I'm going to find the whole series worse than Rise of Skywalker like someone said.

Also am I the only one who feels like Luke's dark robes obliquely foreshadow that he still has a bit of the Dark Side in him?

No it's just because that's what he was wearing in RotJ. And considering how he ended up I don't see where any "dark side foreshadowing" could come into play.

But I believe his black outfit was supposed to represent him finding a balance in both sides of the Force. So in that case yes he would still have some dark side in him.

sounds like someone's been reading the TVTropes page for Mandalorian

To be fair that was meant to symbolize just that in ROTJ.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to matter, there wasn't going to be a continuation of RotJ in the first place.

He didn't wear black in TLJ. But since a lot of silly fans didn't enjoy his portrayal in that movie, Disney tried to course correct as they do, and gave him the black outfit to appease those people. They had no thematic elements in mind, it's just hollow fanservice.

Yeah I never really meant to imply it was intentional lol.

You didn't mean to imply anything since you were just copy/pasting TV Tropes

I have no idea where on TV Tropes I'm supposed to find that.

I really liked it! Who cares if the force is portrayed as way more powerful than the OT. That's the way they would have done it then if they could.

2 episodes into Boba Fett, I don't hate it but the writing feels even weaker than it did in The Mandalorian. I do like Morrison's portrayal of Boba though. I know he already played the daddy in Episode II, re-dubbed Boba's lines in Empire Strikes Back from the 2004 edition onwards, and voiced Boba in a number of video games before now.

Massive props to the casting for both series in any case.

Rogue One beated for the first time since theatres

...... yeahhhhh that was much more boring than I remembered. the first half of trying to get to Galen Erso is a total snooze and wait a second why did they even go to him when literally the first part of getting Galen's message from Saw Gerrera was all they really needed oh god I just watched this why don't i know

I still love the ending but everything that's not specifically that very end is just boring and filled with a whole bunch of characters you don't at all care about and I still can't even tell you any name except Jyn... okay after thinking a few seconds I tried to pinpoint the Andor dude and I indeed remembered it's Cassian

(starting New Hope now and lollling at the switch from Vader's massacre now to him frustrated arguing with Leia)

GuessMyUserName posted...

(starting New Hope now and lollling at the switch from Vader's massacre no to him frustrated arguing with Leia)

It's one of the funniest parts of ANH now because he literally just saw her ship flee with the plans and she's just bullshitting him so hard and he knows it, it's great.

Somebody edited the show into a two hour movie. Even replaced the score in the final confrontation with Duel of the Fates.

https://youtu.be/8jY2E6PQTk4

Honestly, probably for the best. I think the story would benefit with a lot of paring down.

I saw that they said they were hoping that Disney would recognize it and put it on D+ and... yeah, good luck with that.

Am I the only one who feels like so many problems with Disney-era Star Wars stem from an apparent deathly fear of the prequel trilogy? I know Obi-Wan Kenobi technically follows it up but what does it really have from the PT aside from McGregor and Christensen?

No because the YouTube rando you got that opinion from thinks so too so you're not the only one

I've never heard anyone else voice that precise opinion, though I have heard it mentioned in regard to the ST.

I just feel like that's the case even outside of it.

The problem with Disney-era Star Wars is how corporate it is.

Yes, Episode 7 was made in reaction to the PT hate, which is why it went hard on riding the OT's tail.
Rogue One was good - they gave that team freedom to tell a story and it went well.
Episode 8 was handed off to a second director, broke a unified vision.
Solo was good - that team already had freedom to tell a story, and it didn't go as well because people didn't want to see a recasting.
And Episode 9 was reeling everything back in from Episode 8.

The shows have been back and forth, but you can tell watching Mandalorian and Solo that they are made by Star Wars fans. Abrams was not a Star Wars fan. Johnson was maybe the opposite.

Disney isn't running away from the PT, it's running towards it and away from the ST. That's why all the new material is either immediately post-ROTJ or post-ROTS.

I don't like categorizing Abrams and Johnson as "not fans", as if there's only one kind of Star Wars fan. Also if anything TFA painted TLJ into a corner just as badly as TLJ did RoS, and TLJ was arguably TOO reverent of the original trilogy for any of its so-called subversions to be meaningful.

TBH for all the crap I get for bringing up anti-progressives most of the YTers I've followed for a long time like TLJ fine, and even the ones that don't tend to merely dislike it. That's a big part of the reason the vicious hate confounds me so much, and now it really stings knowing those pieces of filth are essentially weaponizing the trilogy just to sound off their political views. Doesn't help that when I actually saw TLJ I reacted about the same way I do to most modern blockbusters (okay to decent, well-made but kind of soulless).