Board 8 > Star Wars and Pokemon Mafia Topic 2 - Attack of the Scum

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HanOfTheNekos
05/16/22 4:36:35 PM
#1:


Playerlist
  1. Ben
  2. Chaeix (JC)
  3. Changmas
  4. Corrik
  5. Death
  6. Hbthebattle
  7. IGCD
  8. Isquen
  9. Kirby
  10. Lea
  11. Lopen
  12. Masterplum
  13. MZero
  14. Red13n
  15. SBell
  16. Scare
  17. Sheep
  18. Sir Chris
  19. Sultan
  20. Ulti
  21. ViolentAbacus


Votals upon completion of topic 1

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 5:42:57 PM
#2:


Hbthebattle posted...
really dont like that Lopen has jumped on every single new train thats popped up

Reasonable but also he didn't hop on my train, so technically not true and also Lopen does this as town for sure, null at worst.

Sheep007 posted...
Yeah screw it I'm not letting that fly

##Vote: Plum

I have a feeling a lot of topic 2 is going to be me and Sheep having conversations that Sheep might not like. I read through this Plum situation VERY easily and I expect someone who is as good as Sheep to at least consider it before voting instead of what is essentially snap voting.

Post 346 is a good wall by Kirby. He agrees with me that Sheep isn't quite making sense.

His Mzero point is also fair. He did literally lose the game because he couldn't read Mzero so I don't know if any other expectation is reasonable for him to have there, Plum.

I agree with him that Death's analysis posts were useful last game and it is worth watching to make sure that Death gives good effort this game. Please use a lot of analysis this game death, we are big fans of it.

I also like that Kirby sees Plum as town this game. It provides nice contrast to Sheep who couldn't wait to vote for him. I think Kirby and Sheep are close in skill so this contrast is interesting to me in a bad way for Sheep.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/16/22 5:44:18 PM
#3:


Darth Votals was a Dark Lord of the Sith
[2] Plum: Scare, Sheep
[2] Kirby: Plum, Lopen
[2] Sheep: Kirby, Chris
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Lopen)
[0] Isquen: (Lopen)
[0] Lopen: (Isquen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)

Day ends Tuesday at 7pm Eastern, roughly 25 hours from now.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 5:45:09 PM
#4:


I wasn't vot- oh nevermind.

##unvote:
##vote: Sheep



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HanOfTheNekos
05/16/22 5:46:39 PM
#5:


votals fixed

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ScareChan
05/16/22 5:47:31 PM
#6:


ScareChan posted...
I still do not like Plum, his voting on Kirby feels opportunitistic

But I also am not feeling great on Kirby. While Plum is trying to argue apples and oranges, I'd rather just say that these fuji bits of content are not the granny smiths I want from Kirby. His tone feels different and he feels fluffy, he wants to be here without doing much. And I definitely disagree with a Sheep vote.

I also do not like JC. Its a bit of a combo of both of the previous issues I have. JC is here and posting but it feels almost tactical to blend in and be safe


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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 5:48:17 PM
#7:


Scare please give consideration to my plum thoughts. I feel like it makes pitch perfect sense for plum, now town, to be seeing kirby's lists in a fresh way.

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ScareChan
05/16/22 5:48:25 PM
#8:


Also the JC comment from Sultan felt geniune. I don't think they're ever scum/scum together

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ScareChan
05/16/22 5:49:11 PM
#9:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Scare please give consideration to my plum thoughts. I feel like it makes pitch perfect sense for plum, now town, to be seeing kirby's lists in a fresh way.

I need to read your posts from the last couple of pages still. I saw you show up and wanted to post my thoughts independent of seeing what you said first

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Kirby321
05/16/22 5:52:07 PM
#10:


Guess I'll repost this since I did not see the moving thing while I was typing away. Also, Chris, I saw your question, and I will happily answer it in a moment.

Sheep, I'm gonna be honest, I like your post. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I like your way of thinking. I agree that town should be more pro-active. I just don't think pressuring Plum is going to help here. In fact, I'd argue it makes more sense for you to push for Lea since you don't have any reservations about always thinking she's scum, unlike Lopen and Plum.

Truthfully, I think Plum has said more than enough to get a decent grasp on him. Lopen and Lea, not so much. But just as you're certain that Scare is town (which is something I agree with upon re-reading), I believe Plum is very likely town this game.

Speaking of Plum...

masterplum posted...
Here is a day 1 wall from Kirby. Still way less fluff than early this game

I... really don't see what's so different about this post compared to what I've posted so far? If anything, I think my post was hardly substantial, and that's ignoring the fact that it's Topic 4 of Day 1. You'd think I'd have more to say after 1,500+ posts, but I was also going into a game where I didn't know anyone except Ben. I only commented about Ben, who I know from outside the game, and Han, who was deliberately trying to provoke me into making a newbie mistake. And in that very post, all I concluded was "I don't like them, but it could go either way".

Plum, I think you're grasping at straws here. But your conviction is only furthering my belief that you are town.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


You, on the other hand, do not get a pass. What is your analysis of the wall quoted by Plum? What makes my posts today "fluffier" than my posts from the previous game?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 5:59:14 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I don't like this perspective from a 'mafia theory' stance. I have been re-reading the game and I feel as if I have uncovered plenty of interesting nuggets to ask and discuss. Even if you can't reach conclusions it is good to frame things in a way you understand it so that if you look back you can have a guide post.

I am not going to go point by point with Plum on Kirby's walls in page 8. Just that generally I think they match up and I understand Plum's perspective here.

chang/lea are unlikely scum together in my eyes for how lea was a bit vicious over chang's defense of kirby's walls by the way. That was just straight disrespectful (in the slang way, not a serious way.)

A lot of page eight is Changmas/Plum who I have given thoughts on and whose posts don't move my meter much. Those aren't scum/scum posts for future people if one of them does flip scum. Sometimes people are bad with figuring out scum pairings late so I like to drop these reminders if say chang is scum then plum really wouldn't be.

Lea is making good observations but also Lea is a very talented player who shouldn't be read easily, but even so I am leaning town for now.

Oh, just realized Kirby is voting Sheep. Well excellent this lines up with all of my reads so time to be caught up.

HI Sheep.


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Hbthebattle
05/16/22 5:59:59 PM
#12:


But I also am not feeling great on Kirby. While Plum is trying to argue apples and oranges, I'd rather just say that these fuji bits of content are not the granny smiths I want from Kirby. His tone feels different and he feels fluffy, he wants to be here without doing much. And I definitely disagree with a Sheep vote.
I want to know what about Kirbys walls are so unsubstantial. Theyre reads. I dont understand the mentality of calling them much more scummy than people who have basically just done check-in posts like, say, Abacus. Active attempts to engage with the game on day 1 generally are more towny to me.

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ScareChan
05/16/22 6:04:00 PM
#13:


I get your point, Chris. I don't know if I agree though. We seem to be not syncing up on several thoughts here

Which considering how bad my play has been lately makes sense and I should probably just rethink

##Unvote

I can give Plum time. But I think Sheep is fine

I also like Chang

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changmas
05/16/22 6:04:43 PM
#14:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I also think Kirby is right about the flowchart - defensive but so far not wrong, heh. Chang does get a lot of shit early but it is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy because so far every time he has gotten shit he hits back well and helps town to win games. So clearly as town it doesn't bother him which makes him a good early target as town to focus on to see what gets refracted. Or, if he reacts poorly, to consider that for his own alignment. It is really a very good way to start a game.

fair enough. if that's the barometer for me then so be it. Better to retread this conversation each game and prove myself town each time than to get mislynched once.

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Kirby321
05/16/22 6:06:45 PM
#15:


Posted in the wrong topic >_>

DoomTheGyarados posted...
Kirby I have clarified my issue with this post, as this operates under an assumption that is untrue. I didn't vote him for 'being confused about the flavor.' When you have a moment can you please address that as well, curious to hear your thoughts.

So your recent posts have added some extra clarity on why you wanted to lynch chang, and although I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, I recognize your reasoning. I especially don't agree with the conclusion when you also recognized that town doesn't necessarily choose their words carefully, and I think chang was just generalizing about your pro-Town nature and playstyle rather than anything specific. (Not that I would know; I'm simply going off of hearsay and the flavor you gave me during the last game about your own abilities)

That being said, I saw the Page 4 posts this morning as part of the "111 new messages" notification. It was a lot to read, and I didn't feel scummy about chang at all, so could you really blame me when the last thing I remember before seeing the chang vote was you replying to his message about the lack of Pokmon flavor? Hence my confusion on why chang was leading the votals at the time.

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changmas
05/16/22 6:09:16 PM
#16:


Kirby321 posted...
Posted in the wrong topic >_>

So your recent posts have added some extra clarity on why you wanted to lynch chang, and although I don't necessarily agree with your conclusion, I recognize your reasoning. I especially don't agree with the conclusion when you also recognized that town doesn't necessarily choose their words carefully, and I think chang was just generalizing about your pro-Town nature and playstyle rather than anything specific. (Not that I would know; I'm simply going off of hearsay and the flavor you gave me during the last game about your own abilities)

That being said, I saw the Page 4 posts this morning as part of the "111 new messages" notification. It was a lot to read, and I didn't feel scummy about chang at all, so could you really blame me when the last thing I remember before seeing the chang vote was you replying to his message about the lack of Pokmon flavor? Hence my confusion on why chang was leading the votals at the time.

Chris didn't actually want to lynch me. He was just fishing for my reaction / to see who else would hop on that lynch. You probably won't actually know who Chris really wants to lynch until like 20 minutes before the deadline.


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changmas
05/16/22 6:09:56 PM
#17:


and it's really easy to fish for reactions on me specifically because I do weird stuff day 1. comes with the territory.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/16/22 6:11:26 PM
#18:


Also yeah I think Chris is town I dont think scum Chris gets so annoyed with me

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:11:58 PM
#19:


To be more accurate I believed your posts warranted my vote to see where it led. But yes, I will often save my 'intent to kill' until I have gathered an appropriate amount of information.

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Corrik7
05/16/22 6:14:54 PM
#20:


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Leafeon13N
05/16/22 6:16:41 PM
#21:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Also yeah I think Chris is town I dont think scum Chris gets so annoyed with me
This reaction is wrong.
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PunishedBen
05/16/22 6:16:43 PM
#22:


the most ironic ##Vote: Sheep

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masterplum
05/16/22 6:18:05 PM
#23:


Scares reversal seems really sudden. I'm surprised Chris pulled him off that easily.

Isn't scare usually more set on his ways than that?

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Hbthebattle
05/16/22 6:18:15 PM
#24:


Leafeon13N posted...
This reaction is wrong.
Hi red do you mind explaining your thoughts on death now

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/16/22 6:18:23 PM
#25:


Leafeon13N posted...
This reaction is wrong.
How so red?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:22:14 PM
#26:


So to sum up some things from topic one for those who do not wish to read everything I have typed, although this is a mistake and you should read my posts:

  1. I think Plum is town. He is being more aggressive than he was last game and appears more sure of himself. His suddenly seeing Kirby's walls as less effective I feel is telling.
  2. I think Ulti is town for his read of Plum. Ulti is harder to read for me when I start in the game because scum Ulti will act very differently if I am not present (as he did in ER mafia before I replaced in.) However, despite Ulti's blustering he is intelligent and I like when he makes good use of that intelligence. Seeing Plum's difference in style early and saying he was town for it is a good example of that.
  3. I think Kirby is town for mindmelding my thoughts on Sheep and in general sounding similar to a townsiding Indy that he was last game.
  4. I think Sbell is town for mindmelding my thoughts on flavor and also discussing the game with sultan in what amounts to a genuine way.
  5. I think aggressive Sultan is town. He seems to be questioning the game state properly and is thinking out loud in a way that does not remind me of ER-Mafia.
  6. Lopen is a town lean as I have seen this vote hopping as town. Lea is a town lean as well for their insight.
  7. I am waiting to hear back (not that he is overdue or anything) from red regarding a death update in light of other topic points. Scare worries me because he is not making good points which is unfortunately in line with past town behavior for him but something I want to press and see corrected if he is town.


I also want to talk with ViolentAbacus more when I have the chance and look forward to IGCD's content this topic as he requested topic 2 nicely from us.

Corrik, Ben, JC, HB, Mzero, Death Isquen I believe have not been mentioned in this post. This is a self-reminder to engage more with them so I can have better thoughts about them. If any of you wish to reach out and engage with me on any of my points, it would be appreciated. I have a Borderlands gaming session with my partner tonight, but I will be around nonetheless.

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ScareChan
05/16/22 6:24:12 PM
#27:


masterplum posted...
Scares reversal seems really sudden. I'm surprised Chris pulled him off that easily.

Isn't scare usually more set on his ways than that?

The way Chris asked me wasn't checking me, it was trying to get me to see a different perspective. I feel okay enough with Chris that I'll take it with actual thought for now

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Leafeon13N
05/16/22 6:25:25 PM
#28:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
How so red?
Chris is perfectly capable of expressing annoyance as scum. It isn't something that should lean him town.
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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:26:25 PM
#29:


Leafeon13N posted...
Chris is perfectly capable of expressing annoyance as scum. It isn't something that should lean him town.

This is indeed true, but I am unsure if Sultan has even seen me as scum more than once so he probably genuinely doesn't know this.

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Leafeon13N
05/16/22 6:26:31 PM
#30:


Hbthebattle posted...
Hi red do you mind explaining your thoughts on death now
Keeping this one in my pocket until I'm more certain.
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ScareChan
05/16/22 6:26:46 PM
#31:


Chris could attack you as if you just induced him to have a heart attack and then giggle about it on the scumboard if he wanted. It's not easy to figure out when geniune

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:26:59 PM
#32:


Leafeon13N posted...
Keeping this one in my pocket until I'm more certain.

To clarify you are still not feeling good about him? Just wanting that particular status upate.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:28:03 PM
#33:


ScareChan posted...
Chris could attack you as if you just induced him to have a heart attack and then giggle about it on the scumboard if he wanted. It's not easy to figure out when geniune

Scare remember that time we were hydra scum? I don't think you've ever had a better time in your life than watching me drain the soul from a town.

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Leafeon13N
05/16/22 6:28:28 PM
#34:


Also i mentioned it pregame you guys aren't going to see much of me this day 1. Basically beginning a period of 48 hours devoted to being at work(or trying to sleep so i can get to work).
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htaeD
05/16/22 6:28:36 PM
#35:


Oh there was a new topic

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Leafeon13N
05/16/22 6:30:38 PM
#36:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
To clarify you are still not feeling good about him? Just wanting that particular status upate.
I've been able to rid a little bit, hasn't pushed the needle much, but I also haven't been able to be as attentive to the topic as I'd like at all.

(I'm very much in an oh god I'm going to kill myself to earn money panic right now)
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TheSultanOfSlam
05/16/22 6:30:47 PM
#37:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
This is indeed true, but I am unsure if Sultan has even seen me as scum more than once so he probably genuinely doesn't know this.


The annoyance seemed genuine. And this is a true statement I think maybe a total of 2 times my first game tiny toons i was scum with you and corrik and then I think one other game

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:32:05 PM
#38:


Leafeon13N posted...
I've been able to rid a little bit, hasn't pushed the needle much, but I also haven't been able to be as attentive to the topic as I'd like at all.

(I'm very much in an oh god I'm going to kill myself to earn money panic right now)

That's fine, you have been ok so far and real life comes first. Just try to check in when you can. Even if you are scum you have enough partners that you don't need to be super stressed about mafia, just try to catch up when you can.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:32:51 PM
#39:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
The annoyance seemed genuine. And this is a true statement I think maybe a total of 2 times my first game tiny toons i was scum with you and corrik and then I think one other game

In this case it was but I have done really bad things as scum to most of the people in this game, so many are rightfully wary of my ability to be theatrical.

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htaeD
05/16/22 6:33:34 PM
#40:


I will admit that as town I also felt easily annoyed by Sultan, and I dont know if thats a feeling scum can have and/or fake

Honestly its been so long since I have seen scumChris that I dont even remember his vibe

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Chaeix
05/16/22 6:43:42 PM
#41:


JC is here and posting but it feels almost tactical to blend in and be safe

This comment from Scare doesn't quite sit well with me because Scare's posting style has been quite similar to mine in terms of the style of opinions offered.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:48:43 PM
#44:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Ive been very sick today. My apologies. You can check the save my MCU topic for proof, because thats my favorite thing going on and I was in bed instead of saving Thanos.

Chris, I appreciate the correct read on me, but you voted plum early this topic? Say what now?

Quoting error, that was Sheep's vote on Plum.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/16/22 6:51:14 PM
#46:


Ben contradicts himself. Calls chang town for questioning chang his mind and says people questioning flavor are scum
... what?

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Kirby321
05/16/22 6:52:06 PM
#47:


... I like how no one batted an eye at Ben voting Sheep out of the blue. It's probably bait, but I'm genuinely curious why Ben placed that vote out of nowhere. Oh well, I'll bite.

Ben, I can see why Chris voted for Sheep, and I've stated my reasons for suspecting Sheep (though if he backs off of Plum, I might change my mind...)
... But why are you voting for Sheep?

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:53:31 PM
#48:


I don't like how, for a lack of a better word, 'basic' his attack on Plum was. Plum attacked Kirby and Sheep felt as if he needed to vote him for it. I immediately read through it in a very different way. He was in game with scum plum last game so for him to be adamant about that being bad is concerning from a good player. Also, and I am unsure if I said it exactly like this before, but we talk a lot about how some scum try to mimic their town habits. Sheep is known as the death whisperer and votes him, then when questioned goes 'no! I was throwing it out there! You've been great!' which... No, death hasn't been great. He's been fine, but it felt like he was trying to mimic his usual style more than actually doing his usual style.

But largely I "expect better" from Sheep than his line of reasoning on Plum.

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DoomTheGyarados
05/16/22 6:54:08 PM
#49:


Kirby321 posted...
... I like how no one batted an eye at Ben voting Sheep out of the blue. It's probably bait, but I'm genuinely curious why Ben placed that vote out of nowhere. Oh well, I'll bite.

Ben, I can see why Chris voted for Sheep, and I've stated my reasons for suspecting Sheep (though if he backs off of Plum, I might change my mind...)
... But why are you voting for Sheep?

It's an ironic sheep vote of me.

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Kirby321
05/16/22 6:54:34 PM
#50:


Wait, are Sheep and Red both Death whisperers or am I sorely mistaken?

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