Board 8 > Blizzard reveals their diversity tool

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Lopen posted...

The argument literally no one but you cares about. Good job winning that point bud.

but that isn't true, it's the same argument being used against Blizzard for saying "We want to see ourselves represented in games"

that's what the uproar is about, Blizzard saying "we" and individuals saying "no i don't" (being fair to Maria I would say using "we" instead of "I" here was just about following the already present word structure... although either way zoning in on this line just to "argue" that you personally are not in Blizzard's "we" is still pedantic)

Do I even think Blizzard's survey is greatly reliable? Nah? And yes you're more than free to actually tackle the methodology at which point I would ask who is being pedantic and why? The survey and its specific claim and reliability isn't the focus but a really short jumping-point for Blizzard announcing how they plan to address a topic that there does in fact exist an interest in market growth which is hard to imagine anyone disagreeing with whether you personally care or not about it.

Saying the tool is dumb I understand, complaining about a claim that people want diversity I do not

Lopen posted...

That's exactly the argument I thought you were making

The argument literally no one but you cares about. Good job winning that point bud.

That's quite literally not true, from the replies in this topic.

There's something incredibly dystopian and Orwellian about things like this. Imagine being forced to adhere to a set of arbitrary "diversity quotas" instead of hiring the people who are most qualified, or creating an interesting character that doesn't have "I'm undrepresented" as its main personality trait

StealThisSheen posted...

That's quite literally not true, from the replies in this topic.

Ok

StealThisSheen posted...
Just, instead of fully admitting it and just moving on, since that's where the actual discussion between the two of us ends, you decided to take it as a personal insult, which lead to this ranting and raving.

nobody is ranting and raving. people with actual thoughts, ideas, and beliefs are capable of typing full paragraphs. I said you "can" argue about it. that doesn't mean you should. do you also argue with people who aren't referring to literal water under a literal bridge when they say "it's water under the bridge"?

Tom Bombadil posted...
I am fine with this whole post but if you look back at your first post in this topic I think you'll find it eliminates a lot of the nuance necessary to convey your position. Yes the I/we thing confused the issue, but I think also responding to the "diversity is *most* important" part rather than the "we want representation" part would've helped.

maybe, maybe not. I am chatting on a message board with casual peers. I'm not writing a dissertation. the reality is that if ANYONE else had made the post that I made, 90% chance that nobody would have cared about the I/We distinction. similarly, if I made a different post,some of the same people still would have found something to nitpick about it. you can literally go on (archive) and find any precursor topic to this one that I have posted in; something where people are arguing about politics, culture, or identity. you could put MONEY on the fact that foolmo, STA, Lasa would be among the people nitpicking and responding with zingers to every thing that I say. and you would most likely come out ahead.

EDIT: I do want to mention in Lasa's defense that he PM'd me to ask something about this, and after we had that discussion I really don't remember him responding to any of my posts after that. so while I did bring him up because he would be contained in the same post history, I don't want to unfairly group him together as someone who is currently still doing this (to my knowledge)

GuessMyUserName posted...
And yes you're more than free to actually tackle the methodology at which point I would ask who is being pedantic and why?

1. the ones who took the survey actually debunked their own methodology. that's why I'm in stunned belief that blizzard would choose to cite this survey.
2. my response was not pedantic at all. it's not like I was criticizing them for giving the wrong title to their survey which poorly represented what it was about. they are making a scientific claim and backing it up with really poorly sourced data. pointing out issues with the methodology of other people's research is not pedantic, it's the foundation of the scientific method.
3. why? the reason I responded is because I hate bad research. and I hate blizzard.

Lopen posted...

I'm clearly mocking SEP here, not cheering him on

Oh, that was very much clear

MariaTaylor posted...

you could put MONEY on the fact that foolmo, STA, Lasa would be among the people nitpicking and responding with zingers to every thing that I say. and you would most likely come out ahead.

I'm very curious where you get this idea, since we rarely interact. I'm also not STA. Are you confusing me with somebody?

MariaTaylor posted...

the reality is that if ANYONE else had made the post that I made, 90% chance that nobody would have cared about the I/We distinction.

Lmao no, if you were a less liked user you would have been torn the fuck apart like 100x worse

StealThisSheen posted...

I'm very curious where you get this idea, since we rarely interact. I'm also not STA. Are you confusing me with somebody?

because I rarely post and every single time that I do, you do this.

and yeah, I think someone earlier in the topic said STA and I just started using that mistakenly because it's easier than typing out your full username (or referring to you as SEP since I usually don't refer to people by old usernames after they change them). but I am talking about you, I know who you are.

Lopen posted...

Ok

I mean, it's straight up not true. At the least, GMUN and Tom posted about it before I even said anything, your hate boner just apparently didn't pop until I posted. I guess I should be flattered?

I hate to break it to you but Tom and Gmun aren't arguing pure semantics here

MariaTaylor posted...

because I rarely post and every single time that I do, you do this.

I can't find any actual history of this in the logs or even just Google searching our names. I really think you have me mistaken for somebody else. Hell, I didn't even reply to you, you first replied to me replying to somebody else.

Lopen posted...

I hate to break it to you but Tom and Gmun aren't arguing pure semantics here

Neither am I? I specifically said it was a generalizing post.

To be clear on my end: I'm saying Maria cries about "people always teaming up" when it basically never happens against them (it's unrelated sets of people, and yes I am sometimes part of those set), but ignores when it happens in their favor (the anime crew, every single time)

StealThisSheen posted...

Neither am I? I specifically said it was a generalizing post.

Ok

Lopen posted...

Ok

Just make sure you see a doctor if your hate boner lasts for more than 4 hours.

foolm0r0n posted...

(the anime crew, every single time)

Am I a part of the anime crew

StealThisSheen posted...

Just make sure you see a doctor if your hate boner lasts for more than 4 hours.

Got em

And Maria, I genuinely apologize if you think I have it out for you for whatever reason, but I seriously can't even find any history of this. My first post in this topic wasn't even to you, it was replying to somebody else, and you were the one who replied to me with a "zinger," and thus our discussion kicked off.

EDIT: Like, the last time I can find us conversing in forever was in that "what's the worst thing you're attracted to" where I made that dumb Fresh Prince joke, and then later went "Wow this aged poorly" and you asked why I was quoting myself and I went "Because I made this post right before Will Smith slapped somebody" and you went "Oh whoa didn't even know." Seemed pretty civil.

StealThisSheen posted...

I can't find any actual history of this in the logs or even just Google searching our names. I really think you have me mistaken for somebody else. Hell, I didn't even reply to you, you first replied to me replying to somebody else.

you replied to someone that was quoting my post, rather than respond to me directly.

anyway, there's like 8 databases worth of posts and unfortunately database 1 has like 80 pages worth of posts from me. so yeah, I'm not going to search through it all to find evidence. it's honestly not that important. I know. you either know and you're pretending not to, or you genuinely don't know. either way, doesn't actually change the situation.

foolm0r0n posted...

To be clear on my end: I'm saying Maria cries about "people always teaming up" when it basically never happens against them (it's unrelated sets of people, and yes I am sometimes part of those set), but ignores when it happens in their favor (the anime crew, every single time)

holy shit this is honestly like a new level of sad and pathetic. nobody from b8anime ever posts in topics like this, and rarely ever posts on this board to begin with. genuinely not for at least 5 years. probably closer to 10. we almost never discuss anything that happens on board 8. and most of the users in the current chat are not even people you would know or remember.

I can only imagine that you are somehow thinking about some incident that occurred, legitimately like 10 years ago and you are still butthurt about it. there's no other explanation for making a statement like this. it's truly bizarre, weird, and just... seriously, sad. on some level I think, up until right now, I believed that you were just trolling. but now I'm starting to believe you actually really are holding some kind of insane grudge. how could literally anyone actually make the claim that people from b8anime are running into topics to stick up for me. that's just... what? you mean like during user of the year 2007 or something? do you know what fucking year it is???

just block me and move on. your life will be so much better, I promise you.

shit, I hope tazzyboyishere or poisson come into this topic to back me up. they are the only ones who can save me from foolmo's genius level intellect

I honestly always got the impression that you just didn't like me, since you'd always take these pot shots at me (like in the aforementioned topic where you sorta accused me of forgetting to switch alts when quoting myself) but I didn't really think much of it and just kinda figured I was reading into things that weren't there. Guess I was wrong. I personally think your dislike of me over whatever is making you attribute a history of me jumping in to attack you on things that I can't find any history of actually existing, but to each their own.

what the fuck

as log admin I can make more specific searches

there are 5 topics since 2021 that have contained posts from both MariaTaylor & StealThisSheen

3 of which don't seem to be controversial topics, and of the other two, 1 is this topic, the other has zero interaction between the two users

checking beyond 2020 there's a lot more but skimming through I don't see much in the way of controversial threads except for maybe the one that shouldn't be controversial but I haven't actually looked into it

Lopen posted...

Am I a part of the anime crew

Yeah

In fact I don't know any others by name

To be clear by "anime crew" I mean "those people who always defend Maria in topics"

Sorry for using imprecise language!

GuessMyUserName posted...

checking beyond 2020 there's a lot more but skimming through I don't see much in the way of controversial threads except for maybe the one that shouldn't be controversial but I haven't actually looked into it

I found a topic from 2018 about gun control where we argued, but it didn't seem to get heated at all other than me apologizing for something and Maria saying they consider apologies to be meaningless, but said debate still remained mostly civil beyond that.

I genuinely dunno. I apologize for whatever makes it seem that way (though said topic reminds me this apology means nothing) so... Can't do much.

Lopen the guy who has never been to b8anime and I have only had a private discussion with one time. In 2018. never before and never after. And literally takes my side 1/2 the time and argues against me the other 1/2 of the time.

gotcha.

and who else is in this "anime crew"?

GuessMyUserName posted...

as log admin I can make more specific searches

there are 5 topics since 2021 that have contained posts from both MariaTaylor & StealThisSheen

3 of which don't seem to be controversial topics, and of the other two, 1 is this topic, the other has zero interaction between the two users

checking beyond 2020 there's a lot more but skimming through I don't see much in the way of controversial threads except for maybe the one that shouldn't be controversial but I haven't actually looked into it

check 2018, check VsuikoV if you can although I didn't find any of my posts from that username in the database at all, make sure to check other usernames that SEP would have used. you can also specifically search for things like gun control and also a topic where foolmo claims that everyone (every single human being) is racist.

yes I do realize the irony of me talking about posts from 5 years ago after what I just said to foolmo, but keep in mind this is me claiming that they've been doing the same shit for years. so obviously you do have to go back years to find evidence.

(okay that timing was great, I literally called an exact topic seemingly as SEP was finding it)

Said topic is like the only topic I can find, and it seems mostly civil? We disagreed, but it never got to anything even resembling personal attacks, that I can see.

changing my search terms to topics in which StealThisSheen has said "maria" gives me 11 results since 2017 (as in 11 different topics this has occurred, not 11 individual instances of saying "maria") *edit* oh and I should specify this is not counting the two instances from the 2021-2022 period I already covered

3 of which I figure are controversial (Politics Containment 86 in April 2017, a Corrik topic in October 2017, and a Corrik topic in August 2018)... maybe possibly another one about relationship advice labeled [blogfaqs] in August 2019

the rest is like fire emblem gundam aladdin marvel pokemon (okay pokemon can sometimes get heated), are birds reptiles, tipping... oh wait this savescum topic Jan 2020 is a 500-thread so I guess that

I was typing that before refreshing to see if there were inquiries so I guess you sorted yourselves out

For what it's worth, after reading it more, what I apologized for in the gun reform topic was you bringing up a topic where you posted data before and said people ignored it or something then demanded the same data in a later topic, and I said I didn't remember being in such a topic but apologized if I was, and then you said you honestly couldn't even remember if I was in it or not, you were just referencing things that happened, and then the "I don't care much for apologies" bit. That was about as heated as it got.

GuessMyUserName posted...

3 of which I figure are controversial (Politics Containment 86 in April 2017, a Corrik topic in October 2017, and a Corrik topic in August 2018)... maybe possibly another one about relationship advice labeled [blogfaqs] in August 2019

so I'm going to round a little bit in my favor here but, including this topic, that's 4 times in the last 5 years. I'm someone who only posts in a big topic like this once, maybe twice each year. as I said, if you put money on him as one of the candidates to be arguing against me, you'd probably come out ahead.

also keep in mind that any of these 2017 and later topics are AFTER I returned to board 8. before that, I had left for years because of people doing the same thing. it was arguably even worse before I left the board. this has a very long history of happening, and no amount of foolmo trying to gaslight is going to change history.

not sure if GMUN is trying to downplay this or admitting that it is true, but you pretty much just posted evidence that yes, my memory of SEP being among the people ganging up on me in previous topics was in fact accurate. going back years.

StealThisSheen posted...

and it seems mostly civil? We disagreed, but it never got to anything even resembling personal attacks, that I can see.

the issue isn't personal attacks, the issue is 5, 10, or more people constantly attacking me in every single topic. and it's always the same people.

furthermore, did I address you first? or did you quote one of my posts and pile on with like 6 other people who were already trying to argue with me about a shit ton of pedantic nonsense. it's annoying, it's topic derailing, and it always happens. and I am NEVER the one who instigates it.

it's always people quoting me, and addressing me first. my interaction with you in this topic is a very, very rare exception in that while I technically did address you first, it was because you responded to someone that was essentially just agreeing with my post.

StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, after reading it more, what I apologized for in the gun reform topic was you bringing up a topic where you posted data before and said people ignored it or something then demanded the same data in a later topic, and I said I didn't remember being in such a topic but apologized if I was, and then you said you honestly couldn't even remember if I was in it or not, you were just referencing things that happened, and then the "I don't care much for apologies" bit. That was about as heated as it got.

this does sound accurate, yes. I remember having a conversation along those lines which is why it's especially annoying when you, again, later claim that you think we have no history of arguing with each other. so like... obviously you were wrong this time. you say it didn't happen, say that I am confusing you for someone else; when we look back, we see the evidence that it did actually happen. so was it the same in that topic? were you actually in the previous gun control topic as well?

since you both seem open to digging through I can just post these results directly

60828136 Playstation Vita event gone horribly wrong 2011-10-30 20:30:00
62750599 This is literally the longest anyone has tried to sex me on Omegle 2012-05-08 07:38:00
63323816 I didn't know Vlado opened a bar 2012-07-06 02:07:00
75161778 8-4, not Treehouse, to do FE Echoes translation. 2017-03-27 13:16:00
75264335 Politics Topic 86: Hawaii, Where Everything's Made Up And The Votes Don't Matter 2017-04-24 12:41:27
75535616 Are birds really just reptiles? 2017-07-06 17:32:31
75568651 Aladdin live action remake actors confirmed; Will Smith voices Genie 2017-07-16 15:41:45
75855549 What is wrong with the world today... 2017-10-10 23:13:48
75929424 I didn't tip my delivery driver just now 2017-10-31 01:40:12
76703323 Dear lord Let's go Pokemon looks atrocious 2018-06-13 16:32:58
76940029 It is time for gun reform 2018-08-28 10:59:05
76960932 Guardians of the Galaxy 3 on "permanent hold." 2018-09-03 23:53:00
77912594 I need to vent about a relationship issue and cant talk to others [Blogfaqs] 2019-08-07 19:18:45
78290078 If you use rewind/save state to finish a game, did you beat it? 2020-01-04 15:25:53
79958805 What's the worst* thing you are attracted to? 2022-04-02 13:08:33
80019947 Blizzard reveals their diversity tool 2022-05-15 01:00:11

complete results of topics SEP has said "maria" including the 2021-2022 instances + even the early site database of 2011/2012

I am not aware however of any alts SEP uses to my knowledge

MariaTaylor posted...

so I'm going to round a little bit in my favor here but, including this topic, that's 4 times in the last 5 years. I'm someone who only posts in a big topic like this once, maybe twice each year. as I said, if you put money on him as one of the candidates to be arguing against me, you'd probably come out ahead.

For what it's worth, I think they're saying we interacted in those topics, not specifically that I attacked you in them.

If you're going to count any time I've ever debated anything with you on anything as an attack, then there is literally nothing I can do about that other than never converse with you again.

StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, I think he's saying we interacted in those topics, not specifically that I attacked you in them.

*she

but yeah that's what I'm saying I haven't actually checked beyond the ones I deemed controversial in the 2021+ batch, that's why I'll just post the topic IDs so you're all free to validate whatever you want and make your own judgment calls

Oh, this became one of 'those' topics

It's a Blizzard topic so could be worse.

GuessMyUserName posted...

*she

Sorry, I tried to fix it. I instinctively "he" everybody and I need to stop.

StealThisSheen posted...

For what it's worth, I think he's saying we interacted in those topics, not specifically that I attacked you in them.

sure. even giving you the MOST favorable interpretation, my memory of us having an exact argument where I accused you of doing the same thing, and you claimed it wasn't true... and then claimed again in this topic that it wasn't true... is still accurate.

and keep in mind this isn't solely about you, but it's you in a category of users who exhibit a similar pattern of behavior. is it possible that you're unfairly lumped together with them because you "only" went out of your way to try and zing me 2 or 3 times instead of 5, or 8, or 10 times?

I don't know.

I think someone who is the target of constant nitpicking and trolling for at least 8 years should have at least a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. I remember users who have done it, and that it's happened a lot. I don't remember exactly how many times each one of them was involved.

the fact that you genuinely believed that you had NEVER argued with me, and then quickly found evidence that it had happened, and that topic involved a similar discussion where you claimed you never argued with me before even though I said you did... should at least get your brain rolling a little bit. surely you have to consider that I might actually be onto something here.

foolmo in particular is a hilariously outrageous example because he's literally the president of the "this never happens to maria" committee even though he's been doing it just about as long as I've been posting on board 8.

KamikazePotato posted...

Oh, this became one of 'those' topics

they always do!

that's the point I'm making.

nyao problem it happens, text-only web-forums are easy to generalize who's actually involved and whatnot

MariaTaylor posted...

the fact that you genuinely believed that you had NEVER argued with me

I didn't say this. I said I didn't remember having a history of ganging up and "attacking you," which implies I intentionally did it several times.

okay well being 100% honest if you have anything you want to say about the other 12 paragraphs I wrote, beyond just the one line that you thought you could nitpick, I am here for it. but I don't really have any interest in further arguing what constitutes as 'ganging up,' 'intent,' exactly what you meant when you said it had been a 'long time' since you responded negatively to any of my posts, or accusing me of mistaking you for someone else.

I dont know why I read this whole topic

Anyway, looking through those topics GMUN listed, we specifically directly conversed in these:

75161778, which wasn't an argument, all of our posts were actually basically "I agree"
75535616, us agreeing/on the same side of an argument
75929424, us agreeing/on the same side of an argument
76703323, I answered a question about Pokemon Go that you asked
76960932, we started to debate for like two posts, you admitted to saying you misspoke, and I responded with "Fair enough. My response doesn't really apply, then." and we stopped immediately.
77912594, you questioned me on something I said, I clarified, and it immediately stopped there.
-78290078, we did, indeed, argue about somebody (self-admittedly) being elitist over using save states, but you were the one who replied to me first to kick it off.
79958805, the aforementioned Fresh Prince joke, "why did you quote yourself?" exchange
-75264335, politics topic. We started to argue, with you seeming to reply to me first (though it may have started in the previous topic?) but it ended very quickly with you ending our discussion with: "no worries. I noticed you checked into the discussion a bit late. I was probably a bit harsh in my response but that's my tendency -- I often come off more harsh than I intend. despite my best attempts to be mostly literal and to avoid confusion by doing that. like it definitely was not my intention to make you feel as if you needed to apologize."
-76940029, aforementioned gun reform topic, but I feel it didn't even get heated much at all, and it fizzled out pretty quickly.

The rest were either me speaking about a character, like Maria Bramford, or referencing you as the topic creator when talking to somebody else. I bolded the ones where we actually argued, which was three times. One of them I felt was very civil, one of them we admitted we got off on the wrong foot and ended fine, and the only one I'd say got truly heated was the save state one, but you attacked me first. Three times over many years, and only one actually got heated. I feel like my position of not remembering being part of a group of users that gang up on you seems fairly justified.

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