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Tom Bombadil
05/04/22 7:43:24 AM
#51:


I'll watch JP-only Hololive streams once in a while still but have mostly found enough English vtubers that there's usually somebody I wanna watch instead

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MariaTaylor
05/05/22 1:11:15 PM
#52:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSqSJ6kgl4

buddy hasta

(stick around to the end for some... questionable koyori voice work)

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malyg
05/06/22 5:03:09 AM
#54:


TOP TIER
Pomu
Millie
Enna
Fulgur

HIGH TIER
Selen
Vox
Mysta

MID TIER
Elira
Rosemi
Luca
Ike
Alban

LOW TIER
Finana
Shu
Nina
Sonny

BOTTOM
Petra
Reimu
Uki
Yugo

Not particularly rigid. Mysta, Rosemi, Luca, Vox and Nina could all move about a lot depending on my mood and their recent content.

Can be hard to rank them due to collabs as well, Finana's solo stuff is generally pretty whatever but she's been the star of so many collabs (especially pre Ethyria) that it's probs a bit harsh to have her that low.

Worth noting that I'll watch pretty much anyone if they're doing something interesting tho. I watched both Yugo's karaoke and Reimu's fnaf stream yesterday, both over Fulgur playing Ai.
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MariaTaylor
05/06/22 2:18:23 PM
#55:


@NijiSimps

Tied for First Tier, Okay?

Enna : She has an amazing singing voice and I love her acapella videos that she used to release more frequently in the past... but I don't think I've seen as much recently? Listening to her tell stories about weird stuff that happened to her in her real life is seriously amazing. She is such a funny storyteller but also makes the stories really interesting to listen to, even if it's a story about nothing happening.

Millie : Highly entertaining. I think her and Enna often get closely associated together and honestly it's tough for me to even separate them. I feel like Millie's humor is both more crude and less refined, but when you're in the mood for that... there's nothing else like it. Nobody else, not even Enna, truly delivers the Millie Parfait experience.

They're Really Great Tier

Alban : I think he's great. One of the funnier male members in my opinion. He seems to always be active in the types of collabs and clips that are right up my alley. He has that sort of distinctive laugh and energy that is similar to what made me love Selen at first. But unlike Selen he seems to have more of a handle on it and doesn't overuse the laugh or the energy.

Shu : I think I like him for very similar reasons to Alban, and it may take a while for me to mentally separate them enough to rank them fairly. Similar to Enna and Millie, although in the case of the two girls it's more because they really do associate with each other in a more active sense. Anyway, I think I like him slightly less than Alban right now, but I like them both a lot, and for the same reasons.

Elira : She has a GREAT voice, and a very good personality for a streamer. One of the few where I have turned on streams of her doing random things, even things that I don't particularly care about, just because Elira was the one streaming it. She's not as bombastic, funny, or "entertaining" as some of my higher rated members. But the fact that she is so watchable without needing to meme or constantly crack jokes, really shows her strength.

Show Your Appreciation Tier

Finana : She is sort of a prototype character for what Millie and Enna would later establish and refine. And in a very typical fashion, I do think the 'students' have already surpassed the 'master' in ways. Finana feels a little bit more like someone who is clearly awkward, and sometimes feels embarrassed to reveal some of the details about herself. She still has that comedic delivery of saying or doing inappropriate things out of nowhere, but I think Finana would appeal more to someone who likes to tease the concept, play innocent at times, and toe the line... while Enna and Millie are more about appreciating performers who have no shame, and don't hold back at all. For me, I prefer the latter. Still, she was one of my favorite, if not my favorite, NijiEN member for quite a while.

Petra : Petra to me is one of those streamers who is fairly entertaining, but I always get the sense that at times her chat generates more content than she does. There are so many Petra clips that are basically just her reading and responding to things that her chat says or comes up with. That being said, I've watched a stream of her playing music and it was fantastic. I wish she would do more streams like that. It left such a strong impression on me that, combined with the fact that I -do- like her, I still rate her pretty highly.

Nina : I think Nina is doing something really amazing, and I think she is doing an amazing job at it, and it's just not quite entirely for me. I don't think I'm the target demographic. Now she does have some GREAT clips. When she's funny, she's funny. I love her shorts. But her typical streaming is tough for me to watch. She's like the opposite of Elira where, even when she's streaming something that I SHOULD be interested in, I don't... really... want to watch her. Though I'll still laugh at the clips of the best moments if/when they are released.

Pomu : She's good. I might consider her for rounding out the bottom of my tier for livers that I don't actively watch, but do appreciate. I feel like all of Gen1 were a little bit out of their depth and gave this impression they didn't know exactly what to do, for a while, and it was interesting to watch them figure it out in real time. At this point I do enjoy the chaos surrounding Pomu, and her reactions to it, but I wouldn't call her one of my favorites.

Sonny : Okay, I lied. Sonny needs to go just below Pomu here. I have watched a few of his streams and I like him. He's very quiet and there's basically a 0% chance I would ever feel agitated or annoyed while watching or listening to him. But he never seems to stream at the time I watch things, or maybe Youtube just doesn't recommend his streams to me anymore, and honestly there's been a few times where I saw he was streaming and was just like 'ehh.... nah. I'd rather focus on doing X instead' I don't see him in collabs much, and I don't see him get clipped much either. If I want to compare him to a Hololive member, he reminds me of Luna. He's like, off in the corner doing his own thing, feels very separate from the NijiEN experience, and you could probably forget he exists if you aren't interested in watching his content. I would hazard a guess that like with SubaChocoLuna, he has a few close members that he does collab with at times, but I really never see him in the bigger groups, at least not the ones that pop up in my field of view.

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MariaTaylor
05/06/22 2:18:39 PM
#56:




The Mixed Bag

Mysta : I'm kind of ambivalent about Mysta. Some of the stuff he does and says I find to be amazing. Other times I just find him a little bit too awkward. I don't want to come across as a hater, because I do like him, but there's a few minutes worth of content from him I've seen that I probably wish I had not seen. If not for that, he'd be above Pomu for sure. So yeah he's the "high peaks, low valleys" type where it's tough for me to give him anything other than an average rating after balancing out the positive and negative sides.

Selen : Honestly when I first found out about Selen I thought she was hilarious. Her laugh is amazing and the stuff she says, and the way she says it, is HIGHLY entertaining. That being said I think she is really the definition of 'a little bit of Selen goes a long way.' Maybe that's just me, personally. It reminds me of when I watch Regular Show and after a few episodes I stop finding Rigby funny and I have to stop watching the show for a while before I can come back to it and find him funny again. She's not bad by any means, and I can definitely laugh at her clips if viewed sparingly. But she's not for me in terms of someone I'd watch on a regular basis.

Rosemi : Yeah Rosemi is like... okay. Livers that use a character voice are usually pretty hit or miss for me and in this case I do find the voice to a miss. She actually has some funny antics, and I have enjoyed several of the clips I've seen from her but... I don't think I could ever watch a stream of someone who was talking in this character voice the entire time. Even just watching clips of her it starts to bother me after a few minutes.

"We Don't Talk About This Tier" Tier

Reimu : Okay I am going to be totally honest, I think Reimu is the member who has been around for the longest that I absolutely know the LEAST about. I have only ever seen her in collabs and even then, it was rare. I'm pretty sure I've seen people talking about how she is the least popular member so I'm not going to bully her or anything. She seems funny, but I have no idea what she even does. Maybe if I look into it, I would find that I liked her. She goes above more than I expected, just because I like her design more. In that sense, you can consider everyone below this line to be people I have no strong opinion on.

Ike : I think I would like him more if I have seen more of his content, but then I just... haven't. I think he's also very popular if I'm not mistaken? Maybe a year from now I'll have a bigger appreciation for him, but until then I'll likely just see bits of him here and there. Honestly the same thing happened with Elira, I rarely watched her at all around the time she debut, and I only started really liking her a while later.

Vox : He seems okay. I don't think he has done very many things that I was interested in watching. Or at least, if he does, then I missed those activities. I don't really consider myself as someone who hates male vtubers, or isn't interested in male vtubers, so it's not that. If there's anything I can say in my defense it's that normally I'm not as interested in the same things that other people find popular. And with him being massively popular, there's probably something he does that appeals to a lot of people, but doesn't appeal to me.

Luca : I don't love or hate his content, I think he's decent in collabs with others, but I have at least a mild dislike for his design. He basically rounds out bottom of the tier of completely neutral NijiEN members.

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Fulgur, Uki, Yugo : Yeah so unfortunately I'm not as familiar with all of the members from the newest generations yet. Part of the reason why I probably kept putting this off. But honestly I'm familiar with a few of them, so I decided to just talk about the ones I have experience with. I know a tiny bit about each of these three members, but I won't subject them to being unfairly rated at this point in time. They would probably all be above Luca though lmao sorry Luca fans...


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MariaTaylor
05/06/22 10:29:50 PM
#57:


... I just joined this unarchived Pomu karaoke stream at the absolute perfect time

she is singing a modified version of Hellfire from the Hunchback of Notre Dame while holding an Elira dakimakura


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WhiteLens
05/06/22 10:45:36 PM
#58:


"Bottom" Tier

kek

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kateee
05/07/22 11:37:29 AM
#59:


MariaTaylor posted...
but there's a few minutes worth of content from him I've seen that I probably wish I had not seen.
Is this referring to a specific instance?

Interesting writeups though. Parts where I would basically have written the same things about some people.
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MariaTaylor
05/07/22 1:59:17 PM
#60:




kateee posted...
Is this referring to a specific instance?

I remember he did this one scene where he was like obviously being sarcastic but basically the whole thing was just him bragging about how much money he makes and how great his life is. I don't know, for someone who just lives off of the donations of others it came across in really poor taste. I'll stress again that he was clearly being facetious and was like, making a mockery or a joke of people who use money and status as a symbol but... it just felt really awkward and weird to listen to him bragging about that stuff and talking down to the chat that is literally funding this performance.

And yes, I understand what sarcasm is. I understand that he was being sarcastic. But a person being sarcastic doesn't automatically make any joke funny. In this case, I think it's a case where it's something that just shouldn't have been said, since there was no real benefit to making that joke and it created an awkward atmosphere (for me personally)

But I do really like him aside from that I know he's not trying to be malicious. He actually seems really nice. So it's not like I hold it against him in any kind of huge negative regard. But it is something that made me cringe and it's hard for me to rank him above any of the livers who have never made me react the same way.


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FL81
05/07/22 2:45:12 PM
#61:


MariaTaylor posted...
They would probably all be above Luca though lmao sorry Luca fans...
unpog

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kateee
05/07/22 4:42:55 PM
#62:


I've had something like that happen with public figures where it's admittedly a very minor thing but I can't help but be bothered by it. But also it's typically inconsequential to a lot of people so I don't even bother bringing it up anywhere.

Sometimes I get over it very quickly and other times it takes a bit longer. And yeah I still like the person but the moment just keeps coming up again in my head so I stop watching for a bit or something.

It's happened with Elira and Finana in Niji. I got over Eliras very quickly but I actually unsubbed from Finana for a while. >_>
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MariaTaylor
05/07/22 5:47:43 PM
#63:


what did the fish do to you

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malyg
05/07/22 7:56:58 PM
#64:


This was quite a while ago and i wouldn't be able to find a clip but there was a stream where Mysta/Nina were chatting together (others may have been there as well idr) and he just randomly brought up that he hit a milestone number of members.

Felt like he was bringing it up to brag a bit. It was weird coz i don't think i've ever seen any vtuber bring up how many members they have, Nina clearly wasn't expecting it and personally i felt it was a bit rude bringing up how well your membership is doing in front of his EN seniors who were getting a bit eclipsed at the time due to the success of Luxiem.

I don't want to get all armchair psychologist but i think he's fairly insecure, and probably likes using his high numbers for validation. Similar things use to be said about Kiara before she hit 1m tho i don't think she was as bad as Mysta is. Think it's worse when he's with Nina coz she seems to enable him being open about his insecurities.

When he's great he is great, but yeah. He has low moments.

And personally, i find to Finana to be a brat lol. To some that probs adds to her charm but she comes across irresponsible and self centered. That kinda attitude can add a lot at times (especially in collabs) e.g. the egg, getting Fulgur to sing My Humps with her during her unarchived Karaoke, dragging Pomu into an impromptu collab with Reza when all 3 were playing Minecraft and Pomu felt pretty awkward. But there's also shit like ruining the planned 10+ Minecraft kickoff collab, popping off on twitter about fanartists not including her.
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kateee
05/07/22 9:21:20 PM
#65:


Re finana I don't remember all the details but I think it was when a bunch of EN people were doing karaokes so there was a lot of fanart going around and she posted on Twitter about how she was seeing all this karaoke fanart but she wasn't in them. I THINK a plausible explanation may have been that she didn't really post about it before and that some artists just might not have known? I believe she even posted something along that line afterwards with an apology. But I just cringed too hard so I stopped watching her for a while. Iirc this was also around the time Rosemi had a Yugioh tournament collab and Finana showed up like 2 hours late so they just played casuals while waiting.
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WazzupGenius00
05/07/22 9:27:03 PM
#66:


First there was Fighting Nemo and Freedom Lady, now we have

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mO_o-w909AE

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MariaTaylor
05/07/22 9:47:18 PM
#67:


I have it on good authority that Jack the Stripper was close friends with Buddy Hasta

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WazzupGenius00
05/07/22 10:34:52 PM
#68:


Buddy Hasta, that union boss whose body was never found?

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kateee
05/07/22 11:08:25 PM
#70:


damn

i want to do full rankings too but i'm still not familiar enough with some people :(
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MariaTaylor
05/07/22 11:58:37 PM
#71:


kateee posted...
damn

i want to do full rankings too but i'm still not familiar enough with some people :(

just do what I did and put all of the nobodies in a group together right above whoever's design you like the least. (doing these rankings actually made me realize that I forgot what Uki looks like...)

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kateee
05/08/22 12:02:34 AM
#72:


well i'd like to do a full ranking just so i have concrete numbers for comparison when i do another one in the future

but yea i might just do that. i think my least fav design is actually like...Petra
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MariaTaylor
05/08/22 1:46:22 AM
#73:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miikci7EgHs


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kateee
05/08/22 1:53:40 PM
#74:


i think that was actually one of the first clips i saw of Enna along with her talking about her social anxiety and her dad. and that was why i started checking out her other stuff.
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kateee
05/08/22 2:02:47 PM
#75:


i can't imagine many other people would bother to do this but i keep track of the VODs i watch and in the process of doing my rankings, i wanted to see how my watchtime would line up with my rankings. not completely accurate since i skip around sometimes and watch everything at 2x speed but it's close enough that it serves its purpose for me. even if i skip around in VODs, the time spent watching clips and whatnot probably make up (more of the) difference.

Rosemi 53:16:27 (14.96% Collab)
Elira 40:19:47
Enna 34:04:55 (19.86% Collab)
Selen 26:38:33
Pomu 8:22:21
Mysta 7:34:32 (30.19% Collab)
Nina 7:11:37 (100% Collab)
Finana 6:56:30
Millie 5:33:40 (100% Collab)
Vox 4:03:10
Alban 2:19:05 (100% Collab)
Reimu 0:27:08
Shu 0:25:52
Luca 0:24:41
Uki 0:24:35
Ike 0:20:00
Petra, Fulgur, Sonny, Yugo - 0

so yeah that's like at least half of EN limited to debuts/clips/collabs so i don't want to full rankings with writeups or something of that sort yet.

but ya my ranking is basically

S: Rosemi/Enna
A: Elira/Selen

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MariaTaylor
05/08/22 7:35:23 PM
#76:


I love how you have detailed logs of how much content you've watched of each person down to the second and then your actual ranking is just "I like these two and these other two"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfdLsTfFtyY

the promised polka


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kateee
05/08/22 9:12:08 PM
#77:


i think if i did rankings it would look somewhat along those lines with Pomu/Mysta in the next group and Vox/Nina/Finana after that. i would like to look into the others a bit more (at least checking out one solo stream of theirs) before putting them in a spot.

very interested to see how the watchtimes look a while from now. DATABASE
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kateee
05/08/22 11:59:11 PM
#78:


https://youtu.be/sUQsKbGt9ug?t=33

the rest of the edits didn't do much for me but the second Lion King one got me
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kateee
05/09/22 2:26:33 AM
#79:


https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1523546218819104769

O_O

offline collab?!
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MariaTaylor
05/09/22 5:21:20 AM
#81:


seriously what the fuck is koyori doing

she was studying english, I took a nap, I wake up, she's still studying english

I go to watch a movie

I come back, she's streaming baseball

this girl is going to die at age 30 from a heart attack due to lack of sleep


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WazzupGenius00
05/09/22 10:31:35 AM
#82:


Are any of the holomems actually good at taiko, every time Ive watched one this week theyre absolutely terrible

I assume Gura would be but the competition is all Japanese branch

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voltch
05/09/22 11:06:55 AM
#83:


Koyori has been pacing Watame for streaming hours.
Miko/Pekora usually top the watched hours rankings though.

I would assume Suisei is upper tier among the JPs for Taiko no Tatsujin, maybe Marine too.
But Kanata or Aki or anyone like that os going to be bad.

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KommunistKoala
05/09/22 11:08:04 AM
#84:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdwKyOA5rFw

i have no idea if the song theyre playing is actually considered hard though

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MariaTaylor
05/09/22 9:41:06 PM
#85:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=530lDMWoDlk

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MariaTaylor
05/09/22 10:39:21 PM
#87:


I heard about that too. Pretty sad. I know Mika said that the problem will be resolved for her in a few days but it might suck for some of the smaller indie channels who don't really have as much resources to deal with a really dumb situation like this.

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kateee
05/09/22 11:44:35 PM
#89:


it's only vtubers that are being targeted?

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voltch
05/10/22 1:44:50 PM
#91:


nooo don't target Kobo, she may sound like a dum baby, but ended up coming off as one of the more precious members ID has ever produced.

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kateee
05/10/22 7:00:37 PM
#92:


pls stream the aus meetup
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WhiteLens
05/10/22 10:46:09 PM
#94:


Alrighty then, Ironmouse is gonna be a guest tomorrow on my most watched streamer.

https://twitter.com/HealthyGamerGG/status/1524089797404467202

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of, but I do expect it to be more on the heavier side of things and less Vtuber shenanigans, but who knows.

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kateee
05/11/22 11:36:00 PM
#95:


lazulight one year anniversary

https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/ck0wq76pw

will they ever not do the 'random' goods thing
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MariaTaylor
05/12/22 8:57:16 PM
#96:


https://youtu.be/NyejSTh4_RU


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kateee
05/12/22 10:54:42 PM
#98:


i love the concept but it's apex...>_>
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kateee
05/12/22 11:12:16 PM
#99:


wow i wish i had come up with the username Leonardo Doujinshi
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voltch
05/13/22 8:44:54 AM
#100:


It's been 6 weeks since Ayame did a stream.
Aqua also on the bench...actually quite a lot of them have had irregular or sporadic schedules of late.

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