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ChaosTonyV4
04/18/22 3:28:26 PM
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A judge just struck down the Federal Mask Mandate.

Also: https://twitter.com/dkthomp/status/1516045840384729090?s=21&t=3-N59LXWIgqLwQ3SLW6VKA

yikes

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masterplum
04/18/22 3:33:06 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
A judge just struck down the Federal Mask Mandate.

Also: https://twitter.com/dkthomp/status/1516045840384729090?s=21&t=3-N59LXWIgqLwQ3SLW6VKA

yikes

This isn't bad news. This could indicate progressives don't approve of him any more

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Maniac64
04/18/22 3:38:36 PM
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I really hope he doesnt run again.

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HashtagSEP
04/18/22 3:47:53 PM
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masterplum posted...
This isn't bad news. This could indicate progressives don't approve of him any more

It's bad news given the current likely alternatives on the other side, assuming he runs again.

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DoomTheGyarados
04/18/22 3:50:41 PM
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masterplum posted...
This isn't bad news. This could indicate progressives don't approve of him any more

how isnt this bad news lol

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Leafeon13N
04/18/22 3:50:49 PM
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Maniac64 posted...
I really hope he doesnt run again.
You probably should hope he does because the alternatives aren't very good.
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Esuriat
04/18/22 3:51:10 PM
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I assume Kamala Harris does even worse than Biden.

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Xeybozn
04/18/22 3:51:37 PM
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masterplum posted...
This isn't bad news. This could indicate progressives don't approve of him any more

Maybe, but that's still not a good thing unless you want Republicans to win more elections. People who hate both options will just not vote rather than settle for the lesser of two evils. And as long as Biden is president, he might as well be the whole party as far as voters are concerned.

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PrinceReva
04/18/22 3:53:17 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
It's bad news given the current likely alternatives on the other side, assuming he runs again.

Hell, the likely alternatives on his side aren't moving the needle either. It'll be tough to sell progressives on Kamala or Pete, and idk who else will run.

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GuessMyUserName
04/18/22 3:55:11 PM
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now's the time for the dianne feinstein presidential run

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masterplum
04/18/22 4:05:35 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Maybe, but that's still not a good thing unless you want Republicans to win more elections. People who hate both options will just not vote rather than settle for the lesser of two evils. And as long as Biden is president, he might as well be the whole party as far as voters are concerned.

I'm not convinced this is true. Progressives could come out in force if there is something inflammatory like outlawing abortion that has nothing to do with Biden

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/18/22 4:59:45 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Maybe, but that's still not a good thing unless you want Republicans to win more elections. People who hate both options will just not vote rather than settle for the lesser of two evils. And as long as Biden is president, he might as well be the whole party as far as voters are concerned.

PrinceReva posted...
Hell, the likely alternatives on his side aren't moving the needle either. It'll be tough to sell progressives on Kamala or Pete, and idk who else will run.

I mean these posts really lay it out. Biden isn't literally the entire party but he de-facto is because the two major alternatives are tied to his administration now anyways. They're all basically variants of the dominant centrist faction.

I don't think young voters are gonna really be recaptured by that unless Biden takes action. They need a politician who can either genuinely do the Obama outreach or at least convincingly lie and not be an obvious robot built to reproduce it.

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Peace___Frog
04/18/22 5:03:38 PM
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Xeybozn posted...

Good #500, btw

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LordoftheMorons
04/18/22 5:13:26 PM
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Biden definitely has a better chance at being reelected than the Dems would have with an open primary

Midterms are gonna be painful, though. Hopefully by 2024 things are mostly back to normal and the Dems will get credit (deserved or not); otherwise were probably fucked

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xp1337
04/18/22 5:20:50 PM
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In terms of "Dems need someone with charisma/to fall in love with" I think Booker is probably at the top of the list in terms of known hopefuls on that front. Moments like his speech during the KBJ hearings show that, IMO. And he has a number of them, that's just the most recent one off the top of my head.

But yeah, Biden is almost certainly the best chance in 2024 for better or worse. Incumbency advantage and all that.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/18/22 5:25:58 PM
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Unless he actually does something big, theres no shot.

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xp1337
04/18/22 5:29:06 PM
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Then no one does, honestly.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/18/22 5:37:47 PM
#18:


Likely, yeah.

I also dont think incumbent advantage is really at play this time, even if he does something big.

Dems need to do something big AND have Joe throw all his weight behind a candidate with some charisma, and no, I dont know who that is.


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Jakyl25
04/18/22 5:39:33 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
A judge just struck down the Federal Mask Mandate.

Also: https://twitter.com/dkthomp/status/1516045840384729090?s=21&t=3-N59LXWIgqLwQ3SLW6VKA

yikes

I mean, people like you or me probably dont APPROVE of Biden but will still vote for him

Is there a chart of Trump approval ratings over the same period?

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Seanchan
04/18/22 5:45:38 PM
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

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Dancedreamer
04/18/22 5:58:40 PM
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xp1337 posted...
In terms of "Dems need someone with charisma/to fall in love with" I think Booker is probably at the top of the list in terms of known hopefuls on that front. Moments like his speech during the KBJ hearings show that, IMO. And he has a number of them, that's just the most recent one off the top of my head.

Booker is a big 'no' from me.

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red sox 777
04/18/22 6:03:56 PM
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Not concerned about Biden's approval ratings. His whole campaign is that he isn't Trump, and he isn't a leftist radical.

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xp1337
04/18/22 6:04:01 PM
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It wasn't an endorsement! I'm not particularly fond of some of his positions either but I think he's probably the best speaker of the Dem presidential bench, that's all I was saying.

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GuessMyUserName
04/18/22 6:26:38 PM
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booker would be very far from the worst choices

with the worst choices being the obvious front-runners

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Kenri
04/18/22 7:11:34 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
now's the time for the dianne feinstein presidential run
I'm really gonna need you to not speak this into existence

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masterplum
04/18/22 7:37:17 PM
#26:


Jakyl25 posted...
I mean, people like you or me probably dont APPROVE of Biden but will still vote for him

This is exactly why Im not super concerned.

Dem turnout is going to be the biggest X factor. Can democrats turn out people to midterms based on issues?


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ChaosTonyV4
04/18/22 7:39:55 PM
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https://twitter.com/zackbeauchamp/status/1516087953465958405?s=21&t=XW-wsYdx93PUyTJVcwnUyA

Bruhhhhhhh lmao, how do these people get paid for this

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masterplum
04/18/22 8:23:43 PM
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... Is it really harder than "Promised things such as 10k loan forgiveness, did absolutely nothing?"

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KamikazePotato
04/18/22 8:30:23 PM
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I mean it's basically no different from the countless articles going "Why aren't millenials buying X?" that go into detail about changing culture and trends and psychology, when 99% of the time the answer is "No money lol"

The worldviews and experiences of younger age groups are never recognized

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Tom Bombadil
04/18/22 11:35:02 PM
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it's bernie's year i'm feelin it

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Jakyl25
04/18/22 11:45:55 PM
#31:


Seanchan posted...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

Oh, thanks but thats not what I meant

i meant like Trump approval charted over time since he left office.

is he more or less popular than he was on 1/20/21

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/19/22 12:19:06 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/

Excellent article if you can get through the paywall. It does a great job of laying out how the media environment works and how it is used to actually hurt people, all while making money from it. The culture war is not just some cynical marketing tool for clout or elections.

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red sox 777
04/19/22 12:27:32 PM
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masterplum posted...
... Is it really harder than "Promised things such as 10k loan forgiveness, did absolutely nothing?"

He's continued the payment suspension on student loans for more than a year. That's a lot of money.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/19/22 2:57:51 PM
#34:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
A judge just struck down the Federal Mask Mandate.


Apparently Biden admin not appealing, literally said its up to the individual, so thats an L.

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masterplum
04/19/22 3:08:27 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Apparently Biden admin not appealing, literally said its up to the individual, so thats an L.

Biden doesn't want to fight a hugely unpopular fight.

For better or worse America is kind of over coronavirus.

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HashtagSEP
04/19/22 3:09:09 PM
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Wasn't the mask mandate set to expire in like a week or two, anyway? Would an appeal have even gone through by then?

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ChaosTonyV4
04/19/22 3:29:12 PM
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To be clear, I dont think fighting it would be popular OR work, necessarily, but I think they could have gotten wayyyy ahead of this with other policies or incentives.

As of now, the pro-mask mandate folks are pissed that no one is going to wear masks anymore, and the anti-maskers get to say a Trump judge did that.

For a Trump judge to strike it down and the administration to respond with up to the individual (the thing the antimaskers have been saying), it just looks weak as hell.

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HashtagSEP
04/19/22 3:38:55 PM
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I honestly think them appealing it would have done more damage than good. Like plum sad, people are by and large just ready to move on from caring about covid, sadly.

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/19/22 3:49:33 PM
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I mean if by "damage" you are talking about Democrats election chances then yeah. Public health wise I'm not so sure and we aren't gonna know for years when we get more data.

So Tony's assessment that it makes the party weak isn't wrong: the best case here is that the Democratic Party is struggling to win elections to the extent they can't implement good governance.

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TotallyNotMI
04/19/22 3:52:18 PM
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The thing that drives me absolutely insane about everyone deciding that COVID is over is that my three year old son STILL CAN'T GET VACCINATED.

I'd love to go back to a normal mask free life but when people just shrug and say "everyone who wants to be vaccinated is" they're ignoring everyone under the age of five.

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HashtagSEP
04/19/22 3:55:23 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
I mean if by "damage" you are talking about Democrats election chances then yeah. Public health wise I'm not so sure and we aren't gonna know for years when we get more data.

Again, though, wasn't it set to expire soon to begin with? So I'm not sure it makes a difference, public health-wise, either, since the appeal wouldn't have gone through by then, unless they were planning to extend it, which doesn't seem likely.

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HeroDelTiempo17
04/19/22 4:01:24 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Again, though, wasn't it set to expire soon to begin with? So I'm not sure it makes a difference, public health-wise, either, since the appeal wouldn't have gone through by then, unless they were planning to extend it, which doesn't seem likely.

Well I think they should have extended it either way. Masks + vaccine is very basic bare minimum stuff to me regardless of the political reality, that is why people are frustrated.

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Peace___Frog
04/19/22 4:02:35 PM
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TotallyNotMI posted...
The thing that drives me absolutely insane about everyone deciding that COVID is over is that my three year old son STILL CAN'T GET VACCINATED.

I'd love to go back to a normal mask free life but when people just shrug and say "everyone who wants to be vaccinated is" they're ignoring everyone under the age of five.
Also ignoring everyone who has health issues and cannot receive a vaccine, yes

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HashtagSEP
04/19/22 4:06:10 PM
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I agree masks should be a basic thing, but the mandate was already in such a weakened form to begin with that I'm not sure it was doing much good. It needed to stay much more wider reaching, so at this point it seemed like a platitude at best.

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ChaosTonyV4
04/19/22 4:11:42 PM
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I'll think even platitudes would have been smart.

As it stands, one of the biggest (for some reason, because people are fucking weird) political fights right now was the mask mandate, and it just ended because of a Trump judge with Joe saying "Yeah everyone should do what the antimaskers were saying all along".

Does that make sense? Like it's sort of a no-win situation, but I feel like this is like the hardest way to lose.

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HashtagSEP
04/19/22 4:20:12 PM
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I think the sad reality is that mask mandates have been getting more and more unpopular, so a platitude does nothing but hurt, and while I'd be in favor of stronger mask mandates that would actually hopefully achieve something, the vast majority isn't, so they were never going to do that.

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ExThaNemesis
04/19/22 4:27:37 PM
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who fucking cares about masks cancel student loans JESUS CHRIST

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masterplum
04/19/22 4:27:41 PM
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You guys want the moral high ground or do you want Republicans to not win in November?

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ExThaNemesis
04/19/22 4:27:52 PM
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it's literally just EASY MODE for winning the election

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LordoftheMorons
04/19/22 4:40:18 PM
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Letting that decision stand is going to be a horrendous precedent for the next pandemic. The judge claimed that the CDC never had the authority to institute a mask mandate at all.

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