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_stingers_
04/15/22 9:57:16 AM
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I'm so excited I've been rewatching the last season to remind myself of what was happening and it's even better than I remember. What a top tier show

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RikkuAlmighty
04/15/22 10:04:12 AM
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BCS better than Breaking Bad fite me

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foolm0r0n
04/15/22 10:22:09 AM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
BCS better than Breaking Bad fite me
why

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SeabassDebeste
04/15/22 10:23:32 AM
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hnnng

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Lopen
04/15/22 11:47:02 AM
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Better Call Saul is like Breaking Bad with slightly better pacing but lower highs

I'd still take Breaking Bad though on the whole, and pretty easily at that. I actually forgot the series hadn't finished yet which is telling.

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SSBM_Guy
04/15/22 12:05:59 PM
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Both series are very good for different reasons. Im way more invested in the characters in BCS. Kim and Lalo hype.

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SeabassDebeste
04/15/22 12:21:07 PM
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breaking bad is clearly superior, but BCS's fifth season was up there with BB. first season where i could say that about it.

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_stingers_
04/15/22 2:11:31 PM
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SeabassDebeste posted...
breaking bad is clearly superior, but BCS's fifth season was up there with BB. first season where i could say that about it.
I would definitely debate that point. I think BCS character writing, as SSBM guy mentioned is way better. The plot overall may not be as tightly knit but I think BCS is in the same tier of excellence, just in a different category, if that makes sense.

If S6 knocks it out of the park like BB S5 did I would have no qualms putting BCS over BB

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Cavedweller2000
04/15/22 5:37:11 PM
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Lopen posted...
Better Call Saul is like Breaking Bad with slightly better pacing but lower highs

I'd still take Breaking Bad though on the whole, and pretty easily at that. I actually forgot the series hadn't finished yet which is telling.
Exactly this

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Seanchan
04/15/22 5:49:09 PM
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I've forgotten most of what happened in BCS. Anyone have a link to a good recap?

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/15/22 6:00:28 PM
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Seanchan posted...
I've forgotten most of what happened in BCS. Anyone have a link to a good recap?
"Tell Me Again"

https://youtu.be/_s_55cKycdA

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Xeybozn
04/15/22 6:44:39 PM
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My ranking of BB vs. BCS is BCS (Jimmy/Saul plot) > BB >>> BCS (Mike/cartel plots). Breaking Bad is definitely better at being Breaking Bad, but Better Call Saul's main story is trying to be something very different and does a great job of it.

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Seanchan
04/15/22 9:19:29 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
"Tell Me Again"

https://youtu.be/_s_55cKycdA

Whew, that's a lot to take in! Definitely helped jog the memory of the broader strokes of the plot. Somehow it's been 2 years since the end of Season 5.

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UltimaterializerX
04/15/22 9:54:01 PM
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I just watched S5 last weekend. I managed to avoid all spoilers.

The BB comparison is dumb. It should be considered the same show at this point.

Except El Camino. That was bad.

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foolm0r0n
04/16/22 12:27:24 AM
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Xeybozn posted...
BCS (Jimmy/Saul plot) > BB >>> BCS (Mike/cartel plots)
This easily. It was 2 separate shows for a long time (with strong parallels obv), but when the storied started to merge it really delivered

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PrivateBiscuit1
04/16/22 1:15:17 PM
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I personally enjoy BCS more, but I'm also a massive legal nerd so that stuff appeals to me a lot more. I feel like they're hard to compare though since they're effectively so different of shows, and the Saul parts are so divorced from the other parts a lot of the time. But it still somehow works really well regardless?

I dunno, I just enjoy BCS more, probably because it's normally a little less depressing and tense most of the time, oddly enough. It's an easier watch to me and doesn't feel as grimy. YMMV with that, but I think I just enjoy BCS more overall.

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_stingers_
04/18/22 8:21:06 PM
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It comes on in 40 minutes lets goooooooooo

I got my ex's amc+ account so I can watch it xd

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XIII_rocks
04/19/22 9:16:59 AM
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I cringe-laughed so much at "just following orders". Brutal.

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_stingers_
04/19/22 11:55:29 AM
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The only part I thought was dumb was the twins saying they needed to catch Nacho alive? Like nah in real life they would've murdered his ass c'mon

Everything else was 10/10 tv though. Kim is scaring me

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CaptainOfCrush
04/19/22 12:07:52 PM
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Why do they want to fuck Howard again?

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Inviso
04/19/22 12:13:06 PM
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CaptainOfCrush posted...
Why do they want to fuck Howard again?

Well, part of it is spite against HHM, I'm sure. But HHM is handling the Sandpiper Class Action lawsuit. When it pays out, Saul gets a considerable payout himself since he is the finder of the lawsuit. But because of litigation, that might take a very long time. Meanwhile, between Saul's practice, and Kim wanting to work pro-bono as a public defender, they need that payout. So they're trying to screw Howard over and make him look like a drug-user so that the firms will feel compelled to settle more quickly, before his reputation can become a liability to their payouts.

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Xeybozn
04/19/22 12:27:21 PM
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_stingers_ posted...
The only part I thought was dumb was the twins saying they needed to catch Nacho alive? Like nah in real life they would've murdered his ass c'mon

I assume they were ordered to bring him in alive to be interrogated. Nacho himself being the mastermind behind the attack just doesn't add up, so the cartel would definitely want to know who was really in charge.

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SeabassDebeste
04/19/22 10:13:57 PM
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yeah but they killed their own guy to do it when they had a minor edge on nacho, then let nacho drive his truck to escape - it was awful

wonder what goes down here with mike/nacho and how obedient mike has been so far to gus - like, mike did lead the cartel to nacho, right? so where exactly is he drawing the line?

also lmao craig kettleman got jacked

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xp1337
04/20/22 8:55:18 AM
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Mike's still got it. That standoff in Gus's office was great. I was about to say it was the highlight for me but then Kim reminded everyone that she is the one who knocks.

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UltimaterializerX
04/20/22 9:26:45 AM
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Kim is the best character and its really going to suck if this show ends with her being killed off.

Also, I was not ready for a 2:30 season premiere.

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_stingers_
04/20/22 10:09:10 AM
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Kims definitely starting to scare me a bit. When Jimmy is the one who's having a conscience it's not a good sign. I think it's a little weird that she's the one who's kind of going off the rails here. I guess I can see it as the girl who grew up poor finally has a chance for riches so she's letting it go to her head. Also she clearly just gets off on the con but we knew that already.

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CaptainOfCrush
04/20/22 12:42:05 PM
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When people who've lived their whole life by the book finally get a taste of some thrill, there's always a risk that they'll take it too far. I honestly love Kim's character arc, and yea it's going to be an absolute gut-punch if she gets killed off, and I think she will be.

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HaRRicH
04/20/22 1:05:02 PM
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Is the latest episode out called Something Unforgivable?

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xp1337
04/20/22 1:09:26 PM
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No, that was the Season 5 finale.

Monday was a 2 episode premiere for Season 6: Wines and Roses / Carrot and Stick

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XIII_rocks
04/20/22 2:53:35 PM
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The twins letting Nacho through was dumb but there is at least precedent for them having victory in the palm of their hand and failing due to being unnecessarily slow and wanting to be cooler or more badass

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skullbone
04/20/22 4:02:25 PM
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My question is doesn't Nacho know that the guy who was watching him was hired by Gus? Because he called his contact and said "I'm gonna run" then the guy who was watching immediately got a call (from Gus crew). Why would he try to call Mike when he knows Gus is watching him and acting weird?

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_stingers_
04/20/22 6:53:07 PM
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What else is he gonna do?
I think Mike's just the only guy he trusts at all, so it's his only play.

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Not Dave
04/25/22 10:40:36 PM
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e3 was great

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Seanchan
04/26/22 6:41:02 AM
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That was a heck of an ending to episode 3.

I think some of the dramatic tension is ruined a bit knowing that most of the characters we see survive because they show up in Breaking Bad.

It's basically just Kim, who you suspect it'll end badly for, and future Saul, which...who knows.

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_stingers_
04/26/22 6:47:38 AM
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I agree with you a little bit, but I think the show is so well written that I can be more concerned with the how and why rather than the what. Which is a rarity, but these guys know how to write a story.

Nacho Varga is the GOAT

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ChichiriMuyo
04/26/22 8:04:32 AM
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Something everyone needs to get their heads around is that Kim isn't "the good girl." Everyone in the audience and everyone in the show. At one point (at least once, maybe more than once actually) Howard is talking to her and essentially tells her she should stop being around Jimmy because he's such a bad influence for her and he will "ruin" her. As if she wasn't the one throwing beer bottles off the balcony at people's cars, as if she wasn't running high-end dine and dash schemes. She's not some pure, innocent being dragged down the wrong path by Jimmy, and she fucking hates the implication that she is. She makes her own choices, good or bad, and not one of those crimes she committed is anyone's fault but her own. She is doing pro-bono work not because it's her only choice, far from it, and not because she has some sort of pity for the poor. She's doing it for her own absolution - good deeds to erase the bad. But she doesn't regret what she did, she's not ashamed of it, she only wants to balance the scales of justice when she is judged in the end. She doesn't just want Howard out of the way for the money, she wants to punish him for being a sanctimonious prick. She wants to make him hurt because him implying she doesn't have her own autonomy hurt her, and she is having none of that. No man will ever have that power over her again.

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ChichiriMuyo
04/26/22 8:11:09 AM
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Meant to post that as a follow up to Inviso's post.

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_stingers_
04/26/22 9:39:24 AM
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They spelled that out pretty clearly last night. When the district attorney is speaking to Kim about Jimmy working with the cartel and is trying to appeal to his or Kim's humanity to get him to turn himself in, Kim frankly corrects her by saying Saul is the one doing all that, not Jimmy. In my mind that's basically her saying that Saul is the kind of lawyer that will work with the cartel, even if Jimmy wasn't and she supports it. She basically comes out and says it later when she brings it up to him, she said do you want to be a friend of the cartel, or a rat? It's such poignant language she chooses to use to let Jimmy and us know what she is thinking: keep working with the cartel, keep getting your hands dirty. At this point clearly she is enabling him because she's getting off on being the "mobsters wife" and the power fantasy of it all has gone to her head, she just keeps such a calm and collected demeanor while doing it that it tricks you into thinking that's not what's happening. But it absolutely is.
Also I disagree I think she is at least partially motivated by the money. I agree she is getting off on the scam, and on punishing Howard, but I also definitely think that she wants the money.

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ChichiriMuyo
04/26/22 9:48:31 AM
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I think it's a mistake to say they're doing it "clearly." A lot of people still aren't picking up on it. I did write what I did before I got to watch the latest ep, but I think even then it's maybe not that much more clear. There are a lot of Howards out there.

I didn't mean to imply she doesn't want the money, at all. She does. In fact, the way I previously described her I thought it would be assumed that I believe she absolutely wants that cash. BUT, if there is one thing she wants more than money it is the power to shame men like Chuck and Howard for treating her as less than. She is more than, and she is maybe even "more than" than Saul, and she is beyond taking shit from men who are in her eyes less than.

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_stingers_
04/26/22 10:08:25 AM
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i don't think she's necessarily motivated by the gender aspect of it as much. Maybe it plays a part but I think she's just falling into the overall 'Im so much smarter than all of you and I will prove it by being unethical' hole that Jimmy fell into. I don't know if she's necessarily motivated by the man/woman power dichotomy.

Also yeah, the show definitely takes points to show that she is more competent than Jimmy in certain areas, like when she argued his innocence for Lalo while Jimmy was too terrified to come up with anything. But it also takes points to show that Jimmy has been through the school of hard knocks when it comes to the scams, and that Kim is much less competent in that department. I feel like her overall overconfidence, fueled by having Jimmy by her side to enable her to reach beyond her means will be her downfall here.

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Xeybozn
04/26/22 10:29:50 AM
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ChichiriMuyo posted...
I think it's a mistake to say they're doing it "clearly." A lot of people still aren't picking up on it.

Back when Breaking Bad was airing, a lot of people didn't pick up on the whole "Walt is not a good guy" thing. This isn't quite that obvious, but it's kind of similar: It's being spelled out very clearly if you're looking for it, but it's unexpected enough that plenty of viewers don't know they should be noticing it.

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XIII_rocks
04/26/22 3:38:02 PM
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What a great episode

But that fucking hurt. =(

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UltimaterializerX
04/26/22 7:43:27 PM
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Seanchan posted...
That was a heck of an ending to episode 3.

I think some of the dramatic tension is ruined a bit knowing that most of the characters we see survive because they show up in Breaking Bad.

It's basically just Kim, who you suspect it'll end badly for, and future Saul, which...who knows.
Welcome to why prequels have a hard cap on quality. There was no tension in that last scene, because only one of those characters was in any risk whatsoever.

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SeabassDebeste
04/27/22 9:44:46 PM
#44:


e3 poor nacho. fuck gus for doing this to him.

also man, what is lalo's plan here

weird just how little of saul there was this episode

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_stingers_
05/03/22 7:37:44 AM
#45:


when world's collide

also Saul is finally getting his office! I'm excited for that.


and now Kim is keeping secrets she didn't tell Jimmy that Lalo is alive! They promised no more secrets :( what Mike said about her being made of sterner stuff must have sunken in for her....but I'm worried that will be the beginning of the end for her. Like I was saying last week about her overconfidence I'm worried her hearing that from Mike will springboard her into attempting something she's not capable of and now not having Jimmy around to bail her out



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UltimaterializerX
05/03/22 7:53:11 AM
#46:


Yeah Kim is going to end up dead, and thats whats going to turn Saul fully evil and broken. Pretty predictable at this point.

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SeabassDebeste
05/03/22 12:02:57 PM
#47:


really hope we do get to find out what lalo is up to. obviously he winds up failing overall, as the salamanca clan has no idea that gus has royally fucked them up repeatedly, but we may as well get to see it, right?

best part of the episode by far was the reveal of jimmy cosplaying howard, i fucking died

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CaptainOfCrush
05/03/22 12:29:12 PM
#48:


I loved the double-take at the end when I paused the episode, thought about it, and realized

yeah this really is the first time Kim and Mike meet

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XIII_rocks
05/03/22 5:00:18 PM
#49:


SeabassDebeste posted...
best part of the episode by far was the reveal of jimmy cosplaying howard, i fucking died

Absolutely brilliant

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HaRRicH
05/05/22 9:33:24 AM
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Loved the sign-part of that scene, too.

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