Current Events > Erm, what's with the Switch and "cloud" versions of games?

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Checked the demos list, there's a demo for guardians of the galaxy, but the cloud version. Saw Kingdom Hearts demo, but it's the cloud version. I've literally never heard of cloud within the context of gaming wtf. And when I tried gotg, the game wouldn't even play it's so laggy. Why is the company/console with by far the worst online, going with cloud? I'm so bewildered right now

Because people wanted those games on Switch but it turns out that the Switch is a weak piece of shit that can't run them.

Typically they're for games that wouldn't run natively on Switch hardware. I'll say I've had good experiences with cloud versions of games, but haven't tried the ones available on Switch.

It's pretty close to a scam, IMO.

Only reason its not is because they tell you what it is.

If you buy them I see no notably difference to throwing your money out a car window while going down a motorway.

Word of advice avoid them especially the Kingdom Hearts games. The KH games are unplayable.

Irony posted...

Because people wanted those games on Switch but it turns out that the Switch is a weak piece of shit that can't run them.

If it can run doom 2016 and The Witcher 3 of all things, it can run these games. It's just laziness of the game devs

KFHEWUI posted...

Word of advice avoid them especially the Kingdom Hearts games. The KH games are unplayable.

As somebody who bought the KH games, Ill second this

hopefully it gets fixed in a patch or something because Jesus Christ what a waste of money that was

MICHALECOLE posted...

As somebody who bought the KH games, Ill second this

hopefully it gets fixed in a patch or something because Jesus Christ what a waste of money that was

What are the issues?

Companies are going for a quick buck on games the switch can't run without a massive porting effort.

coolpal23 posted...

If it can run doom 2016 and The Witcher 3 of all things, it can run these games. It's just laziness of the game devs

Not necessarily laziness. More likely the projected sales are not worth the cost compared to just making a new game instead. Especially when you're not sure just how shitty the switch version will end up being after investing a year or two of development into it.

Irony posted...

Because people wanted those games on Switch but it turns out that the Switch is a weak piece of shit that can't run them.

The ps3 could run those Kingdom Hearts remasters but the Switch can't?

Jabodie posted...

Not necessarily laziness. More likely the projected sales are not worth the cost compared to just making a new game instead. Especially when you're not sure just how shitty the switch version will end up being after investing a year or two of development into it.

We'll have to agree to disagree, again, it can run doom 2016, Witcher 3, (two very demanding games), pretty great, if the devs are hired to port the game to Switch, then they test it constantly, and do their job to make sure it runs good. Seriously that's all it takes, effort, and hard work

can the switch really not run kh1 and kh2

are we seriously going to delude ourselves that it's the epic "switch underpowered" meme at work and not square enix being lazy

spikethedevil posted...

What are the issues?

Its streaming so its choppy as fuck. And you see it literally right away when you start the game. Even the cutscenes cant flow smoothly.

training on the island was basically impossible. I quit playing it until a patch comes out that hopefully makes things a little better

Tappor posted...

can the switch really not run kh1 and kh2

are we seriously going to delude ourselves that it's the epic "switch underpowered" meme at work and not square enix being lazy

I love my switch.. but its clearly the switchs fault

coolpal23 posted...

We'll have to agree to disagree, again, it can run doom 2016, Witcher 3, (two very demanding games), pretty great, if the devs are hired to port the game to Switch, then they test it constantly, and do their job to make sure it runs good. Seriously that's all it takes, effort, and hard work

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. When you hire devs to make a Switch port, you need to pay them for their effort and hard work. So nothing you said contradicts what I said.

I will disagree that it runs Witcher 3 well, though. I have the Switch version and it's ass. Doom 2016 is very nice on handheld, though.

Actually, I see what you're saying. You're disagreeing about me saying that you don't know how shitty it'll end up.

But while you have those two examples, we have The Outer Worlds, Wolfenstein: TNC, and Wolfenstein Youngblood as examples where the final product just wasn't that great. I don't remember people singing much praise for Doom Eternal either, a game that had Switch development in mind from the start.

MICHALECOLE posted...

I love my switch.. but its clearly the switchs fault

No it's not. Well, maybe on the Wi-Fi chip not being built for game streaming, but it can absolutely run all the KH games except 3 and that 2.8 Prologue whatever thing. "Porting" the KH games to Switch absolutely came down to laziness.

I've heard a theory that SE has been getting more invested in their own cloud gaming platform, and the KH cloud games may have been some sort of proof of concept.

imagine having two superior options for gaming consoles and choosing an inferior one and then complaining about it.

StarbucksWorker posted...

imagine having two superior options for gaming consoles and choosing an inferior one and then complaining about it.

Imagine not being smart enough to realize that a lot of people get a switch for AAA gaming, plus they want portability

At least the Steam Deck makes portable KH a reality for the 100 people that own them.

BakonBitz posted...

No it's not. Well, maybe on the Wi-Fi chip not being built for game streaming, but it can absolutely run all the KH games except 3 and that 2.8 Prologue whatever thing. "Porting" the KH games to Switch absolutely came down to laziness.

I mean, what could you possibly be basing this on?

Drrobotniks posted...

Imagine not being smart enough to realize that a lot of people get a switch for AAA gaming, plus they want portability

I would argue a majority of Switch owners get it for the Switch exclusives and do the rest of their AAA gaming elsewhere

Irony posted...

Because people wanted those games on Switch but it turns out that the Switch is a weak piece of shit that can't run them.

Good luck using that excuse with Kingdom Hearts I and II

sauceje posted...

I would argue a majority of Switch owners get it for the Switch exclusives and do the rest of their AAA gaming elsewhere

Right; it's about Nintendo titles and convenient playing of indies for me.

coolpal23 posted...

We'll have to agree to disagree, again, it can run doom 2016, Witcher 3, (two very demanding games), pretty great, if the devs are hired to port the game to Switch, then they test it constantly, and do their job to make sure it runs good. Seriously that's all it takes, effort, and hard work

It also takes time and money, so depending on the budget given to the developers in making it a port there are times when it is worth it or not. It is also not just a meme that the switch at times is just not strong enough. Sakurai said that Smash could not implement rollback for it's netcode because of hardware limitation, when some fighters on the PS3 and Xbox 360 could have it on their fighters just fine.

Drrobotniks posted...

Imagine not being smart enough to realize that a lot of people get a switch for AAA gaming, plus they want portability

if they get a switch for aaa gaming with two superior options available and theyre complaining about the quality of the games on a lesser console, then theyre getting exactly what they paid for.

MICHALECOLE posted...

I mean, what could you possibly be basing this on?

These games were on the PS3 and run at native 4K60 on PS4. A quick analogy to this is Borderlands 1/2/PS, which also runs at 4K60 on PS4 and plays fine on Switch at 30. The Bioshock collection also runs fine at 30. Other games like Assassin's Creed 4 have been shown to run near PS3 equivalent performance, along with other games like the first Bayonetta, which runs comparable to the 360 version.

On a sheer "could it run" level, the answer is definitely yes for 1.5+2.5. I think the issues would be elsewhere, like compression (the file sizes for Borderlands, for instance, are huge), bugs (1.5+2.5, for instance, launched with a serious save crash bug in KH2), and maybe load times.

Edit: These games run at 4K60 on PS4Pro, not base PS4.

Prestoff posted...

Sakurai said that Smash could not implement rollback for it's netcode because of hardware limitation, when some fighters on the PS3 and Xbox 360 could have it on their fighters just fine.

Sakurai is on some bullshit most likely. Skullgirls and MK11 are two games on Switch I can think of that have rollback. Nintendo just didn't have the skills or the fucks to give to implement it on Switch. I also think GGPO did not go open source until AFTER Ultimate was released.

Yeah I'll bet. I mean I already have KH on ps4 so that's a non-issue (one of the best ports of one of the best games ever with unbelievable lightning fast performance and virtually zero load times)

I was more curious about gotg since they refused to release a demo on ps4 for whatever reason.

Antifar posted...

Right; it's about Nintendo titles and convenient playing of indies for me.

I mean, when it comes to multiplat I tend to go for ps4 obviously, so it's only the exclusives or whatever's not available on ps4. If they ever release psychonauts 1 on switch as a non garbage port, I'd buy it