Board 8 > The Russia Ukraine War appears to have begun

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foolm0r0n
02/27/22 10:02:25 AM
#302:


Domestic policy is foreign policy

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02/27/22 10:43:36 AM
#303:


I dont 100% trust the Ukrainian News, theyve put out numbers like 3500 Russians dead while the UK says 450. I trust them more than the Russians, though.

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HeroicCrono
02/27/22 11:10:36 AM
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I dont 100% trust the Ukrainian News, theyve put out numbers like 3500 Russians dead while the UK says 450. I trust them more than the Russians, though.

The 450 number from the UK was days ago though. Whenever they update it's going to be a lot higher.

Looks like there's an agreement to start peace negotiations (in Belarus or on the Ukraine/Belarus border).

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masterplum
02/27/22 11:12:02 AM
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497843118191923204

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masterplum
02/27/22 11:13:42 AM
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I think the big danger here is Russia is going to start peace talks and then false flag a nuclear strike in Belarus to justify nuking Ukraine.

I dont know if thats likely, but I think thats the one way where this still all goes terribly wrong. Barring that I think Russia is toast. Best case scenario for Putin is they take Ukraine and they no longer have a country to rule it

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Lopen
02/27/22 11:19:53 AM
#307:


I don't think Putin nukes Ukraine. There's literally nothing to gain in that. Putin would need to be actually mentally ill for that, and he'd need enough of his regime to be mentally ill to follow through with it.

My bigger concern would be someone else nuking Russia and Russia nuking back, or Russia nuking someone else who is "interfering" (and likely being nuked back) which seems very unlikely at this point (and given the reported state of its tanks and stuff I would be somewhat surprised if Russia had much range on its nukes)

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Lopen
02/27/22 11:22:07 AM
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Nuked territory is worthless for resources
Nuked city can't be a puppet or annexed
Your line of defense against evil Nato disappears when you launch a nuke
Russians would probably mass revolt

It just doesn't make any sense to nuke a neighboring country. I feel like I'm treating this like a game of Civilization with that point by point but it really is true.

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masterplum
02/27/22 11:28:41 AM
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Lopen posted...
Like

Nuked territory is worthless for resources
Nuked city can't be a puppet or annexed
Your line of defense against evil Nato disappears when you launch a nuke
Russians would probably mass revolt

It just doesn't make any sense to nuke a neighboring country

Oh I agree, but I can see mentally ill Putin do it because he isnt taking the country any more as vengeance.

The question is will Russian soldiers fire them


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Lopen
02/27/22 11:30:58 AM
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masterplum posted...
The question is will Russian soldiers fire them

Right. And to that, I really don't think so. Most people will just follow orders at some level, but a no win nuke order like that, I just don't think would happen. Putin would have needed to masterfully craft the level with nuke oversight to be deranged or just outright stupid.

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red sox 777
02/27/22 11:46:51 AM
#311:


Don't think Putin is mentally ill. More likely, he is succumbing to a trait that many dictators/leaders eventually fall for - he is not getting/understanding accurate information because he has lived in a propaganda bubble for years. He must have thought his army was much better prepared than it was.

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htaeD
02/27/22 12:10:54 PM
#312:


The nuclear arms are a threat. I dont think even he would actually want to use them on Ukraine

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masterplum
02/27/22 12:14:01 PM
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htaeD posted...
The nuclear arms are a threat. I dont think even he would actually want to use them on Ukraine

The problem is his country is imploding. He might not have another out.

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foolm0r0n
02/27/22 12:37:21 PM
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If you look at it illogically and emotionally, Putin might want to be the 2nd person to ever drop a nuke on a city. Closing the book on the cold war.

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Corrik7
02/27/22 1:59:49 PM
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https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1497936996874035201

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Lopen
02/27/22 6:14:10 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Don't think Putin is mentally ill.

To clarify I don't think he is mentally ill.

BUT I also don't think he'll nuke Ukraine (or stage some sort of gambit to be justified in doing so). All this talk of nukes is just intimidation.

However, hypothetically, if someone in power in Russia were to nuke Ukraine they would have to be-- that or extremely stupid (and Putin clearly isn't the latter, though the people in the chain of command for launching might be)

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Corrik7
02/27/22 6:15:16 PM
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Lopen posted...
To clarify I don't think he is mentally ill.

BUT I also don't think he'll nuke Ukraine (or stage some sort of gambit to be justified in doing so). All this talk of nukes is just intimidation.

However, hypothetically, if someone in power in Russia were to nuke Ukraine they would have to be-- that or extremely stupid (and Putin clearly isn't the latter, though the people in the chain of command for launching might be)
They won't nuke ukraine. If a nuke is launched, it will be at every western power that armed Ukraine.

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Lopen
02/27/22 6:18:23 PM
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Now I DO think Putin nuking non-neighboring countries is on the table. If he wants to "make history by dropping a nuke" that would be the more sane way to do it. It's also extremely unlikely, but it's at least more plausible and maybe even thought of as a viable approach for someone who isn't completely insane.

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swordz9
02/27/22 6:24:21 PM
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It seems like an incredibly poor bluff even. He cant nuke Ukraine or anyone else really without fucking Russia even more than he already has by invading it to begin with. Seems like a desperate last attempt to make himself look good
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LordoftheMorons
02/27/22 6:27:03 PM
#321:


No way to square starting a nuclear war as not completely insane!

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Lopen
02/27/22 6:37:03 PM
#322:


I see nuking Ukraine as a few more layers of losing over nuking like France or Germany or the UK or the US.

You could maybe be totally delusional and think the latter works out somehow if you're Russia. I don't know. Like maybe you think you can follow that up with a bluff that everyone else gets nuked if they try anything and Ukraine surrenders.

But like nuking Ukraine in the absolute best case is just bad on every level. Like even if they don't face NATO at that point it has no real positives.

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pyresword
02/27/22 6:51:04 PM
#323:


I don't think anyone who's afraid of nukes is holding that fear with the assumption that Putin is of sound mind and acting logically.

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Lopen
02/27/22 7:05:21 PM
#324:


I guess my point is that one outcome (nukes in general) only happens if Putin is insane (possible)

The other (nuking Ukraine) only happens if Putin and his entire chain of command is insane (less possible)

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BlAcK TuRtLe
02/27/22 8:36:57 PM
#325:


Suprak the Stud posted...
It is actually a bit surprising to me how many people I think are usually pretty smart on Twitter have had similar very bad takes trying to bend over backwards to justify Russian aggression.

Also I realize the humor in the statement usually pretty smart on Twitter
In 2022 people are willing to compeltely forego any sense of logic, or just easily discard any past beliefs if the "correct" person tells them to. See: all of the boomer conservatives who grew up fearing/hating Russia, who are saying he is justified in invading, and the Ukrainians arming themselves to fight off a tyrannical foreign government are somehow in the wrong. See also the other people that said the worst of the BLM rioting was "justified" because "sometimes civil disobedience requires blocking a few highways and burning a few buildings" acting completely apalled that the FluTruxKlan followed their template to a T

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foolm0r0n
02/28/22 12:37:59 AM
#326:


He could nuke Chernobyl

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BlAcK TuRtLe
02/28/22 1:17:21 AM
#327:


Why would he do that? Nuking anything in the Ukraine would immediately irradiate the most densely populated parts of Russia, not to mention Belarus

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LinkMarioSamus
02/28/22 8:06:22 AM
#328:


Can Putin fire nukes on multiple countries opposed to Russia?

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BlAcK TuRtLe
02/28/22 10:18:58 AM
#329:


Russia has something like 6,000 nuclear warheads, spread between ICBMs and nuclear submarines. If Putin wanted to, he could destroy the entire planet.

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FFDragon
02/28/22 10:22:31 AM
#330:


Yeah, assuming everyone went along with it, Russia could end Earth at a whim.

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LunaticCritic
02/28/22 10:28:42 AM
#331:


The problem is that making the Earth kaboom is bad for business-no Russian oligarchy would want to hurt their bottom line like that, no?

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Corrik7
02/28/22 10:30:12 AM
#332:


LunaticCritic posted...
The problem is that making the Earth kaboom is bad for business-no Russian oligarchy would want to hurt their bottom line like that, no?
They are already destroyed

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swordz9
02/28/22 10:38:09 AM
#333:


Its Putins fault theyre destroyed. Maybe theyll take him out >_>
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LinkMarioSamus
02/28/22 11:07:52 AM
#334:


Okay so now I have to be worried that Putin could just fire a nuke at every country that places sanctions on Russia?

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BlAcK TuRtLe
02/28/22 11:11:10 AM
#335:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If61baWF4GE

Here is a really good video that breaks down a lot of the geopolitical factors that fed into the current conflict starting with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and why Putin has the support of the oligarchs still.

tl;dr oil

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HeroicCrono
02/28/22 11:18:29 AM
#336:


The oligarchs' wealth could be mostly restored if the Western allies wanted to. Sanctions can be lifted. That is leverage.

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LinkMarioSamus
02/28/22 11:28:08 AM
#337:


Thinking about it the only reason why Putin would want to nuke any country that displays opposition to Russia is if he's spiteful. Which he could be, but otherwise it would be phenomenally stupid to make hostilities clear in such a blunt way.

I hate how there are so many nutcases still left leading world governments even after Trump lost his re-election bid. No I'm not naive enough to believe that it was going to be all sunshine and rainbows after that or even if Trump had never been elected in the first place, but it's still so frustrating.

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X_Dante_X
02/28/22 11:30:58 AM
#338:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Okay so now I have to be worried that Putin could just fire a nuke at every country that places sanctions on Russia?


war games spoilers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93KC4AGKnY&t=153s

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LinkMarioSamus
02/28/22 11:32:23 AM
#339:


Oh right, I forgot. Never actually seen the film but I do know about that quote.

I have seen Doctor Strangelove though. Felt extra poignant in today's political climate.

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Corrik7
02/28/22 11:48:32 AM
#340:


https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1497942225308864512?s=20&t=evE4Prq9V3yEYoftnqw6pQ

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FFDragon
02/28/22 3:15:25 PM
#341:


re: nuking everything

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1498023555975450626



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swordz9
02/28/22 3:24:30 PM
#342:


Russia can happily join the world when they get rid of their insane dictator and become a democracy
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charmander6000
02/28/22 3:26:56 PM
#343:


It's pretty much back to mutual assured destruction. Both Russia and the United States have enough submarines to pretty much wipe out the other, even if they are already destroyed.

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DoomTheGyarados
02/28/22 3:27:46 PM
#344:


Given what I have seen of their army I will take my chances with their subs too tbh

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ChaosTonyV4
02/28/22 4:02:50 PM
#345:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Given what I have seen of their army I will take my chances with their subs too tbh

Youre joking, but still bad take.


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LinkMarioSamus
02/28/22 4:14:07 PM
#346:


Okay so apparently Russia is willing to take down the rest of the world with it. Great.

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swordz9
02/28/22 4:14:49 PM
#347:


I mean if the videos can be believed Russias tanks look like absolute shit on the inside. Like havent been maintained in decades shit
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DoomTheGyarados
02/28/22 4:28:54 PM
#348:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Youre joking, but still bad take.

Nah, fuck Russia and fuck fearing a piece of shit. Try to blow us up if you can, Putin

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HeroicCrono
02/28/22 5:13:44 PM
#349:


Russia has barely invested in its military since the end of the USSR. They have a few shiny new things to scare people and a lot of outdated tech.

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Leafeon13N
02/28/22 5:32:06 PM
#350:


Even taking into account that the Russian forces were naive to the situation they were walking into this has been an embarrassment for their military.
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