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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 8:55:29 AM
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Usually involve arguing in bad faith?

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BryanRust17
01/28/22 8:57:29 AM
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Were_Wyrm
01/28/22 8:58:54 AM
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Sure, but what does that mean to me? Joe Everyman?

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Giant_Aspirin
01/28/22 9:45:06 AM
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because the justification for it always boils down to greed and they don't like admitting that

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BobanMarjanovic
01/28/22 9:49:53 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
because the justification for it always boils down to greed and they don't like admitting that
It boils down to fairness

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Giant_Aspirin
01/28/22 9:51:40 AM
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BobanMarjanovic posted...
It boils down to fairness

capitalism isn't fair, though.

the kid born to a crack addicted mother in the ghetto needs to work demonstrably harder than a child born to upper class parents to achieve the same end result. the decks is so stacked against so many people, there's absolutely no way you can consider our modern implementation of capitalism "fair". also consider the fact that being poor is expensive and it takes money to make money. once you have a head start, it's so much easier to get farther ahead.

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TheOtherMike
01/28/22 9:55:00 AM
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BobanMarjanovic posted...
It boils down to fairness

Nothing about capitalism even tries to be fair. What the fuck are you talking about?
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UnfairRepresent
01/28/22 9:56:16 AM
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BobanMarjanovic posted...
It boils down to fairness
wut

No it doesn't.

Captialism is inherently anti-fair by design.

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Squall28
01/28/22 9:57:23 AM
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Because you already made up your mind and will just assume the worst about the opposing side

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Omnislasher
01/28/22 10:00:47 AM
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Squall28
01/28/22 10:07:27 AM
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And for reference, even the Nordic countries most of you are so fond of have capitalism as a base. It's the most hands free, and the most proven to work. It just needs some extra social programs to bring the people in the bottom up which countries are already working on doing.

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Prismsblade
01/28/22 10:13:07 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
capitalism isn't fair, though.

the kid born to a crack addicted mother in the ghetto needs to work demonstrably harder than a child born to upper class parents to achieve the same end result. the decks is so stacked against so many people, there's absolutely no way you can consider our modern implementation of capitalism "fair". also consider the fact that being poor is expensive and it takes money to make money. once you have a head start, it's so much easier to get farther ahead.
Life as a whole isn't fair, even if you removed wealth said kids still wouldn't be equal. Some will be athletically more gifted, smarter, talented, taller, social, charismatic, better looking and so on.

So why is wealth worse then any of these? If anything it's a equalizer for individuals not born with any of these.

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TheOtherMike
01/28/22 10:18:33 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
So why is wealth worse then any of these? If anything it's a equalizer for individuals not born with any of these.

Because being proficient or deficient at any specific skill effects you in rather limited ways. Conversely, the effect of wealth or poverty impacts an individual far more than all these other factors you mentioned combined. Not to mention the detrimental economic effects of obscene wealth disparity.
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Giant_Aspirin
01/28/22 10:19:40 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Life as a whole isn't fair, even if you removed wealth said kids still wouldn't be equal.

which is why we should do our best to make the playing field as level as possible

Prismsblade posted...
So why is wealth worse then any of these?

we have the power to manage this, but none of the other things you listed

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IMNOTRAGED
01/28/22 10:25:08 AM
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Squall28 posted...
And for reference, even the Nordic countries most of you are so fond of have capitalism as a base

Most of "us" understand this and aren't actually that fond of them. They just happen to be a very clear example of how far the US has gone in the wrong direction that things like universal health care are viewed as outlandish in the mainstream.

Squall28 posted...
It just needs some extra social programs to bring the people in the bottom up which countries are already working on doing.

What countries? What programs?

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Squall28
01/28/22 10:31:07 AM
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IMNOTRAGED posted...
What countries? What programs?

Most functioning countries have varying amounts of them. Welfare, universal healthcare, public transportation, financial aid scholarships, etc.

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Unsugarized_Foo
01/28/22 10:31:35 AM
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They were bought

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ZeldaMutant
01/28/22 10:31:41 AM
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Squall28 posted...
And for reference, even the Nordic countries most of you are so fond of have capitalism as a base. It's the most hands free, and the most proven to work. It just needs some extra social programs to bring the people in the bottom up which countries are already working on doing.
The Nordic countries are slowly dismantling their own social programs to increase private profits. And installing programs like healthcare is impossible in countries like the US because it would reduce the profits of health insurers. The Nordic welfare state is as good as capitalism can get, but it won't last forever and it's not possible in every country.

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Squall28
01/28/22 10:32:29 AM
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ZeldaMutant posted...
The Nordic countries are slowly dismantling their own social programs to increase private profits. And installing programs like healthcare is impossible in countries like the US because it would reduce the profits of health insurers. The Nordic welfare state is as good as capitalism can get, but it won't last forever and it's not possible in every country.

What country should we aspire to be like then?

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EmbraceOfDeath
01/28/22 10:36:58 AM
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Not sure how dumbass capitalist shills can think a system where money earned isn't proportionate to work done or value produced is reasonable.

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Prismsblade
01/28/22 10:46:04 AM
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TheOtherMike posted...
Because being proficient or deficient at any specific skill effects you in rather limited ways. Conversely, the effect of wealth or poverty impacts an individual far more than all these other factors you mentioned combined. Not to mention the detrimental economic effects of obscene wealth disparity.
It really doesn't? If you lost out to somebody in life becuase they were wealthier, you're lose to others just as much due to the above.

How many people can sail through life non competitively?

Giant_Aspirin posted...
which is why we should do our best to make the playing field as level as possible

we have the power to manage this, but none of the other things you listed
There are examples of this in our school systems now. And they don't work, at all. Inequality is a part of nature, and attempts to prevent, change, or even just defy it generally dont work out in the long run.

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Nemu
01/28/22 10:49:19 AM
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It's probably because nobody is anywhere near on the same page of the argument.
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g980
01/28/22 10:50:43 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Because you already made up your mind and will just assume the worst about the opposing side

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Omnislasher
01/28/22 10:51:19 AM
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infinite growth, finite planet, ecological overshoot, civilizational collapse - end of story
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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 10:53:00 AM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
Not sure how dumbass capitalist shills can think a system where money earned isn't proportionate to work done or value produced is reasonable.

Brain Damage.
By that I mean how the rich dudes always talk about how hard they work and grind to get where they are lmao.
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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 10:55:13 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
There are examples of this in our school systems now. And they don't work, at all. Inequality is a part of nature, and attempts to prevent, change, or even just defy it generally dont work out in the long run.

Did you go to college?
You may not know this but it is very common that your professor graded you on a bell curve. This is leveling the playing field.
If they didn't do that, you likely would not pass the class.
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TheOtherMike
01/28/22 10:58:31 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
It really doesn't? If you lost out to somebody in life becuase they were wealthier, you're lose to others just as much due to the above.

This makes no sense because it assumes having massive wealth is an equal benefit to being 2" taller than average or being slightly more athletic. Are you actually making the claim that being a little more talented at one thing is an equal benefit to having access to functionally limitless money from childhood, and therefore access to all the best resources available for health, education, emotional stability, and financial planning? Really? Because I don't believe anyone is stupid enough to seriously put forth that argument.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 10:58:41 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Because you already made up your mind and will just assume the worst about the opposing side

Pretty silly counter-argument to make in a topic about most capitalist arguments being in bad faith.

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Nasty_Nitro
01/28/22 11:02:54 AM
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Capatilism is about lying to and taking advantage of people to pay them an unfair wage so its built on bad faith from the start.

most pro capitalists have already built up their deflection wall: lifes not fair work harder bootstraps!

also people live by a glimmering hope and dream: that one day I yes me I will be the one in charge taking the big slice of the pie while I underpay my employees.

the ultimate goal is to be the one (under) paying the employees.

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Squall28
01/28/22 11:07:43 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Pretty silly counter-argument to make in a topic about most capitalist arguments being in bad faith.

Just because you don't like the factual answer, doesn't mean it's bad faith. You asked why, I told you why. The fact that you assume it was bad faith already proves my answer is correct.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 11:10:32 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
It really doesn't? If you lost out to somebody in life becuase they were wealthier, you're lose to others just as much due to the above.

It's like you missed the "limited scope" of his argument.

Me being more athletic than someone else makes me more competitive than them in specific circumstances. That same person can be better than me in other areas. Very rarely does someone's lack of athletic ability totally cripple their ability to be competitive across every field.

Whereas lack of wealth cripples you no matter who you are and what you're trying to do.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 11:11:45 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Just because you don't like the factual answer, doesn't mean it's bad faith. You asked why, I told you why. The fact that you assume it was bad faith already proves my answer is correct.

The fact that you're putting athletic ability on the same plane as being filthy rich is already a bad faith argument dude lmao

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Giant_Aspirin
01/28/22 11:12:17 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
Inequality is a part of nature, and attempts to prevent, change, or even just defy it generally dont work out in the long run.

it's more about giving everyone a level playing field and making things as fair as we can. it doesn't have to be perfect. saying "this is part of nature so we can't change it" is so intellectually lazy that I have a hard time believing you're genuine in this argument. cancer is "part of nature", do you think we should just give up on defeating that? of course not.

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TheOtherMike
01/28/22 11:14:32 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Just because you don't like the factual answer, doesn't mean it's bad faith. You asked why, I told you why. The fact that you assume it was bad faith already proves my answer is correct.

Your response was Indisputably bad faith. Telling someone what they believe or why they believe it is antithetical to good-faith discussion as it shuts down your opponent's agency and voice. You are effectively telling them that you don't care about their reasons because you have preemptively decided what you believe about them, ironically doing exactly what you accused them of - making a preemptive judgment and assuming the worst as a result. You're projecting.
And then coming back and calling your assessment "factual" is just blatant trolling. No one's falling for it.
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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 11:25:54 AM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
Capatilism is about lying to and taking advantage of people to pay them an unfair wage so its built on bad faith from the start.

This 100%

Easily proven

Stores say SALE

Then claim item is $89 or w/e and mark it down to $50

Except every other store has it for $50 all year round. Why then do this?
Because it is carefully built lie designed to exploit the ignorant....and....it works...
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g980
01/28/22 11:27:00 AM
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maybe we should pause and tc can explain what he thinksbad faith means

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Southernfatman
01/28/22 11:27:51 AM
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There's no point in arguing with people who defend the rotten system. They're either deluded by propaganda spewed by the rich or are fine with the system because they think they'll become some rich person who abuses and exploits others.

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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 11:30:27 AM
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g980 posted...
maybe we should pause and tc can explain what he thinksbad faith means

It means making an argument without any intention of seriously considering the point the other side is trying to make.

Now here's a challenge for you: try making a post that holds any value above 0.

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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 11:32:10 AM
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g980 famous quote

"big banks are on our side!"
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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 11:33:01 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
g980 famous quote

"big banks are on our side!"

Now now, let's give him a chance to justify this claim.

After all, I don't want to be a hypocrite.

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AsucaHayashi
01/28/22 11:33:03 AM
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ive always found it funny how capitalism works until it just doesnt like with scalping or price gouging sanitizer or patenting medicine and marking up the price considerably etc. and then people proceeding to crucify the individuals because theyre too cowardly or lacking in influence to actually do something about the system

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Squall28
01/28/22 11:35:40 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
The fact that you're putting athletic ability on the same plane as being filthy rich is already a bad faith argument dude lmao

I've said nothing about athletic ability.

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Squall28
01/28/22 11:37:59 AM
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TheOtherMike posted...
Your response was Indisputably bad faith. Telling someone what they believe or why they believe it is antithetical to good-faith discussion as it shuts down your opponent's agency and voice. You are effectively telling them that you don't care about their reasons because you have preemptively decided what you believe about them, ironically doing exactly what you accused them of - making a preemptive judgment and assuming the worst as a result. You're projecting.
And then coming back and calling your assessment "factual" is just blatant trolling. No one's falling for it.

They haven't listed reasons. The topic is a percent TC pulled out of his ass. It's a perception based question. I explained why his perception sees it as 90%.

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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 11:41:49 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Now now, let's give him a chance to justify this claim.

After all, I don't want to be a hypocrite.

It was a whole thread. He claimed banks wanted to keep inflation down and that is why they not wanting to give their employees raises and tell the country the same was good for all of us.
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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 11:43:01 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
ive always found it funny how capitalism works until it just doesnt like with scalping or price gouging sanitizer or patenting medicine and marking up the price considerably etc. and then people proceeding to crucify the individuals because theyre too cowardly or lacking in influence to actually do something about the system

Or the invention of Monopolies early into the Capitalist experiment. And that required the government stepping in and breaking them up. Yet there are still many that exist today which need breaking up.
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Nasty_Nitro
01/28/22 11:48:08 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
There's no point in arguing with people who defend the rotten system. They're either deluded by propaganda spewed by the rich or are fine with the system because they think they'll become some rich person who abuses and exploits others.

this right here. the last line is what keeps people motivated Im underpaid right now but one day ill underpay thousands of people its so fucked up and normalized.


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WingsOfGood
01/28/22 11:52:02 AM
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Nasty_Nitro posted...
this right here. the last line is what keeps people motivated Im underpaid right now but one day ill underpay thousands of people its so fucked up and normalized.

One day you will own a mansion and pay a maid, gardener, etc less than minimum wage.
The capitalist dream!
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Nasty_Nitro
01/28/22 11:54:28 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
One day you will own a mansion and pay a maid, gardener, etc less than minimum wage.
The capitalist dream!

Thats all it is and it truly does keep people in line and motivated. It definitely keeps them in line I just need to pull my bootstraps harder smh

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Nemu
01/28/22 11:57:39 AM
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Curious, are people in this topic who are extremely against it arguing for better regulations on existing policies to curb governmental and corporate greed, or are you arguing against it in its entirety as if there is a complete alternative that could realistically be implemented?
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RchHomieQuanChi
01/28/22 11:57:58 AM
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Squall28 posted...
They haven't listed reasons. The topic is a percent TC pulled out of his ass. It's a perception based question. I explained why his perception sees it as 90%.

Do you seriously think I'm throwing out a real percentage?

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