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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 11:54:27 AM
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The worst thing about this is its going to get critical acclaim because its Nintendo. I guarantee the press will praise it to high heaven just because its different to typical Pokemon games, when in reality if this was a new IP made by someone else it would be panned.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/switch/pokemon-legends-arceus

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Duncanwii
01/27/22 11:55:27 AM
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Shut up.

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TheGoldenEel
01/27/22 11:56:01 AM
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Confirmation bias in full effect

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EmbraceOfDeath
01/27/22 11:57:00 AM
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I see I was right about this thing I decided ahead of time I would consider myself right about.

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Number090684
01/27/22 11:57:00 AM
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100%

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 11:57:03 AM
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Those nitpicks are compounded again by the technical state of Legends: Arceus, which by modern standards - or, depending on your mood, even rather un-modern standards - is really not great at all. There's regular pop-in, along with so-so frame rates and remarkably low-quality textures, and this is just the stuff in the foreground. Animations - aside from the endearing characterisations of the Pokmon themselves, which rightfully take priority - are minimal at best, edging dangerously close to that infamously under-animated Zacian/Zamazenta that blankly swivelled on the spot during the climax of Sword and Shield.

Lol from the Eurogamer review game would look average 15 years ago and has technical issues out the ass yet gets recommended.
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Number090684
01/27/22 11:58:58 AM
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ColonizedMind posted...
Those nitpicks are compounded again by the technical state of Legends: Arceus, which by modern standards - or, depending on your mood, even rather un-modern standards - is really not great at all. There's regular pop-in, along with so-so frame rates and remarkably low-quality textures, and this is just the stuff in the foreground. Animations - aside from the endearing characterisations of the Pokmon themselves, which rightfully take priority - are minimal at best, edging dangerously close to that infamously under-animated Zacian/Zamazenta that blankly swivelled on the spot during the climax of Sword and Shield.

Lol from the Eurogamer review game would look average 15 years ago and has technical issues out the ass yet gets recommended.

Pokemon stans constantly toking that copium and lying to themselves upon every main series release, rejecting reality.
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s0nicfan
01/27/22 11:59:20 AM
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It has QoL improvements that should have been in the games since the GBA, so it's going to get a lot of undeserved praise for being drastically improved over it's predecessors without consideration for the fact that said improvements should be there by default, not something to praise.

Edit: as an example, from another topic on CE:

The actual reviews and impressions are making me hype for this game

Sounds way more interesting than it could have ended up; they just should have put more effort into the presentation of it all

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/6/AAW8UqAAC2mW.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/2/7/AAW8UqAAC2mX.jpg

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:01:05 PM
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Number090684 posted...
Pokemon stans constantly toking that copium and lying to themselves upon every main series release, rejecting reality.

Well, I understand fans overrating it and looking over glaring issues, praising changes that should have been made years ago, etc but it really is obvious Nintendo get an easy ride by the gaming press
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Alpha218
01/27/22 12:02:53 PM
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Is it fun? Thats all I care about.

While the graphical quality of SwSh was disappointing, the actual main game was a joke which is what I cared about moreso (I mainly bought the game to play VGC doubles online so I did get my moneys worth for sure).

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viewmaster_pi
01/27/22 12:03:41 PM
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the review couldn't even call something bad, they had to say "really not great at all"

just fucking tell it like it is, it looks like shit

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Error1355
01/27/22 12:04:03 PM
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Always weird to me when someone seems to take joy in a game coming out bad.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:04:48 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
Is it fun? Thats all I care about.

While the graphical quality of SwSh was disappointing, the actual main game was a joke which is what I cared about moreso (I mainly bought the game to play VGC doubles online so I did get my moneys worth for sure).

Cool, plenty of people found Cyberpunk fun, but whats the deal with a game with some many technical issues, that looks like it has the graphical fidelity of a PS2 game, getting a free pass from supposed impartial critics?

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:06:06 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Always weird to me when someone seems to take joy in a game coming out bad.

Im not taking joy. Im just pointing out that some companies get an easy ride by gaming press and despite the game leaks exposing how bad it looked I rightly predicted it wouldnt be a factor in somehow achieving critical acclaim
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Raikuro
01/27/22 12:06:46 PM
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Hopefully they finally streamline all these attempts at 3D pokemon by the time Black/White remakes come out. Would be so awesome if it looked like a 10 yo game instead of a 20 yo game
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spikethedevil
01/27/22 12:07:38 PM
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The haters on some serious copium right now.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:08:50 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
The haters on some serious copium right now.

You think a game with so much technical issues should get critical acclaim?
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Llaeto7
01/27/22 12:11:26 PM
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ColonizedMind posted...
I rightly predicted

This statement is the entire point of this topic. You're taking joy in "being right" about something failing. That's fucking cringe and why you're trying to deflect from that fact. Focus your energy and time on something positive instead. You'll be happier and less cringy.
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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:12:22 PM
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It isnt failing, its getting critical acclaim, thats the point.

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Apocalyptic
01/27/22 12:15:10 PM
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ColonizedMind posted...
You think a game with so much technical issues should get critical acclaim?

Did Skyrim not deserve critical acclaim despite all of its technical issues? Fallout New Vegas? Even games like Batman Arkham Asylum had a pretty significant bug that could erase your data at launch. Where do you draw the line? If youre going to call out Pokemon Legends Arceus, you have to do the same with every other critically acclaimed game that had issues on launch. Some far worse than Legends Arceus despite having far better reviews.

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josifrees
01/27/22 12:16:30 PM
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Oh no my Pokmon game only runs at 30fps lmao

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:16:48 PM
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They probably didnt deserve such high scores but at least those games were ambitious and didnt look decades old.
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s0nicfan
01/27/22 12:16:53 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Always weird to me when someone seems to take joy in a game coming out bad.

I don't want Pokemon games to come out bad, but playing monster sanctuary really made me realize how much wasted potential the franchise has. This is a game from one of Nintendo's biggest franchises being made by a company that had record profits in 2020. This should be the breath of the wild of Pokemon but it's skirting GameCube era quality.

At this point, we are never going to see Pokemon implemented to its fullest potential if people continue to buy and praise games that are rocking early 2000s era game design. Given that the company seems perfectly comfortable riding that line, a series of large public failures is basically the only thing that can kick start the franchise into actually becoming what it deserves to be.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:17:35 PM
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josifrees posted...
Oh no my Pokmon game only runs at 30fps lmao

According to Eurogamer it struggles to hit 30fpsin 2022 surely that should be a massive problem.
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televigilante
01/27/22 12:22:27 PM
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I like that all the textbox mashing is gone, but it seems odd that they would let you just run off while a battle is happening. That kind of seems like they're abandoning the trainer aspect of the trainer. The trainer should watch and learn from the battle.

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Slayer_22
01/27/22 12:25:41 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
The haters on some serious copium right now.

TC especially. I've seen people trying to justify their views on a game, and then there's TC. A whole 'nother level of desperation to be right.

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Gwynevere
01/27/22 12:30:18 PM
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Apocalyptic posted...
Did Skyrim not deserve critical acclaim despite all of its technical issues? Fallout New Vegas? Even games like Batman Arkham Asylum had a pretty significant bug that could erase your data at launch. Where do you draw the line? If youre going to call out Pokemon Legends Arceus, you have to do the same with every other critically acclaimed game that had issues on launch. Some far worse than Legends Arceus despite having far better reviews.
I mean, to me it seems pretty undeniable that at some point, a series becomes so popular that it commands critical acclaim off of its name alone, almost regardless of the state of the game when it comes out. Just look at the difference between what reviewers had to say about Dark Souls 2 vs what the fanbase actually thought of it.

I do think it's a bad thing when companies like Bethesda can put out games that are fundamentally broken in many ways and get high praise for it from big name reviewers, while offloading the task of fixing the game onto moddders

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BakonBitz
01/27/22 12:31:11 PM
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I feel like at some point you can't convince people otherwise when they're deadset on an idea. TC's deadset on hating Pokemon just because it looks dated, so his confirmation bias sets in when people "praise it just because it's Pokemon and it tries something new."

The graphics don't really bug me as much as lack of stability, but if the framerate drops aren't super frequent or dip into OoT levels, it doesn't undermine what the gameplay itself is like for me. I do still think Pokemon could stand to have better production values though, but it's not enough for me to call a game crap because of it.

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josifrees
01/27/22 12:34:02 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Always weird to me when someone seems to take joy in a game coming out bad.

same here its like they would rather be haters and right than wrong and enjoy themselves

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 12:36:37 PM
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Im not criticizing you or your game really. If you like it and enjoy it, fine. Plenty of people enjoyed Skyrim and Cyberpunk, etc. Im bemoaning the sorry state of gaming journalism, that a game with so many technical issues and a severe lack of ambition can garner so much praise because Nintendo publish it.
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masterpug53
01/27/22 12:51:20 PM
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Apocalyptic posted...
Did Skyrim not deserve critical acclaim despite all of its technical issues? Fallout New Vegas? Even games like Batman Arkham Asylum had a pretty significant bug that could erase your data at launch. Where do you draw the line? If youre going to call out Pokemon Legends Arceus, you have to do the same with every other critically acclaimed game that had issues on launch. Some far worse than Legends Arceus despite having far better reviews.

Technical issues should absolutely factor into a game's rating at launch. New Vegas is now one of my all-time favorite games nowadays, but its early bugs soured me towards the game on first playthrough to such a degree that I walked away from it with a very negative experience, and it's only by the grace of god (and my addiction to that particular brand of open-world games) that I was willing to give it another chance some time later.

It's fine to be optimistic that they're be improved, but backlash is necessary to compel the developer to actually fix the problems. And it's also absurd to handwave technical issues on the optimism that they might get patched / improved at a later time; a game being forgiven of past technical issues is great, but only after we've reached the point in time that they've actually been fixed.

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Hop103
01/27/22 12:56:39 PM
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Number090684 posted...


Pokemon stans constantly toking that copium and lying to themselves upon every main series release, rejecting reality.


That's also who TPC and Gamefreak are pandering to as well, they enjoy those who OD on copium and never complain.

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The_Yahtz09
01/27/22 1:13:24 PM
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Pokmon doesnt get dinged for graphics because graphics have never been the selling point of Pokmon. If it does the other things well, it can easily get by on serviceable graphics. It would certainly be nice if it had higher visual fidelity, better animations, 4K, 60fps, but it doesnt need that to be an enjoyable game. This is also a series marketed towards children, so the simple aesthetic is part of the design.

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AngelicRadiance
01/27/22 1:18:50 PM
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"Waahh people like thing I don't like"

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Blue_Inigo
01/27/22 1:24:30 PM
#37:


ColonizedMind posted...
You think a game with so much technical issues should get critical acclaim?
Skyrim, New Vegas, Witcher 3, Witcher 2, etc etc etc. Clearly the technical issues pale in comparison to how fun the game is.

Stay mad that the game is good. That's very healthy

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Llaeto7
01/27/22 1:25:12 PM
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Probably because TC likes Nintendo the least.
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SRR Capdown
01/27/22 1:32:48 PM
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The_Yahtz09 posted...
Pokmon doesnt get dinged for graphics because graphics have never been the selling point of Pokmon.

It's never had to be though, it's essentially been a 2D series until this generation.

They have, however, transitioned into the level of 3D graphics, animation etc that people were expecting 15 years ago when they were saying "so it's about time we got a proper 3D Pokemon game."

It's the biggest media franchise in the world. There's no excuse not to do better.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 1:38:53 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Skyrim, New Vegas, Witcher 3, Witcher 2, etc etc etc. Clearly the technical issues pale in comparison to how fun the game is.

Stay mad that the game is good. That's very healthy

All games, with the possible exception of New Vegas, that were all incredibly ambitious. What ambitions does this game have? To not meet the benchmark of open world games of 15 years ago?
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DeadBankerDream
01/27/22 1:41:41 PM
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I'm not getting the game cause it looks bad.

TC is acting like a penis fart who doesn't give a shit about anything other than being able to pin "I was right" on his lapel, even though as far as I can tell he created a situation for himself where he'd always be right.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 2:29:00 PM
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How did I? The critics could have not give good reviews to a bad looking, devoid of ambition and technical failure of a game and then I would have been wrong.
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Blue_Inigo
01/27/22 2:29:46 PM
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It has ambition you weirdo lol.

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ChrisTaka
01/27/22 2:38:33 PM
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I never understood why people expected game changing graphics and performance from a pokemon game.

God forbid a Pokemon game looking like a Pokemon game.

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ColonizedMind
01/27/22 3:08:13 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
It has ambition you weirdo lol.


Lol what other series could coast on making so little changes to the formula that when a game, 20+ years into the series, hits a benchmark set by open world games 15 years and be called ambitious as a result?
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Slayer_22
01/27/22 5:27:07 PM
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I seriously don't get the complaints about bad graphics. It isn't like it looks particularly bad. It looks beautiful, lol.

https://youtu.be/c044Fjcmzsw

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DeadBankerDream
01/27/22 5:30:20 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
I seriously don't get the complaints about bad graphics. It isn't like it looks particularly bad. It looks beautiful, lol.

https://youtu.be/c044Fjcmzsw
Bro... I'm not even that into whining about the graphics (though that lake image is amazing), but how can you say that with that video as your evidence?

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thronedfire2
01/27/22 5:32:09 PM
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This is why I was skeptical when people were saying it was getting a lot of praise the other day. Like yeah no shit its gonna get praise from Pokmon fanboys playing early access

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Alteres
01/27/22 5:32:11 PM
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Eh:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/3/AAdEX3AAC21d.jpg

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AngelicRadiance
01/27/22 5:35:24 PM
#50:


I like these types of posts/topics.

"The only rating that is acceptable is a bad rating anything else is just paid for or fanboys"

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Slayer_22
01/27/22 6:06:22 PM
#51:


DeadBankerDream posted...

Bro... I'm not even that into whining about the graphics (though that lake image is amazing), but how can you say that with that video as your evidence?

I don't see what's wrong? Should it look hyper-realistic? It's stylized. It looks pretty fucking good.

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