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UnfairRepresent 01/26/22 8:33:00 AM #1:	Does this surprise you? Yes No Does this surprise you? - Results (126 votes) Yes 7.14% (9 votes) 9 No 92.86% (117 votes) 117 David Speed does not worship Satan a fact that helped win over his wife-to-be early in their relationship. On one of their first dates, Speeds wife, who grew up Anglican, asked him what faith he belonged to. When Speed replied that he was an atheist, she pressed for details. So you worship Satan? he recalls her asking. We still laugh about it, said Speed, an assistant professor in social psychology at the University of New Brunswick in Saint John. It wasnt the only misunderstanding they had to get over. In his wifes upbringing, atheists were seen as not only given to bad spiritual practices, but hostile to religious people, especially Christians. Thats a common stereotype, said Speed, especially in the United States, where atheists are often disliked and distrusted. The preconception, however, doesnt hold up, according to a new study: Atheists, overall, view their neighbors in a positive light. Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them, wrote Speed and his colleague, Melanie Brewster of Columbia University, in the academic journal Secularism & Nonreligion. For an article entitled, Love Thy Neighbour or Not, Speed and Brewster looked at data from the 2018 General Social Survey to see how atheists viewed their religious neighbors. In that survey, Americans were asked to rate people of various religious persuasions on a scale from one to five, with one being very negative and five being very positive. Christians rated their fellow Christians at about 4.5 on average, while they gave atheists about a 3 rating, with other faiths in between. (Americans, in general, rated faith groups in a similar manner.) Atheists, however, rated their fellow atheists at about 3.5 on a scale of one to five, and every other faith group about the same. When it comes to these other groups, I think everybody is wrong, said Hemant Mehta, a writer and blogger known as the Friendly Atheist. But guess what, thats fine. As long as religious people arent trying to get him to follow their beliefs or infringing on the rights of others, Mehta said that he has no problems with them. The study didnt surprise Mehta, who said hes well aware of the stereotypes that some religious leaders use to self-described atheists. And he knows that some atheists are seen as hostile to religious people. But thats not the case for most atheists in their day-to-day life. While the GSS asked participants to rate religious groups and atheists, it did not collect specific data on people who identify as atheists. But the survey does ask if people identify as religious and asks if they believe in God. For their study, Speed and Brewster categorized anyone who said they do not believe in God as an atheist, since not believing in God is a central part of being an atheist, said Speed. About 15% of respondents in the GSS fit that category. By contrast, a 2019 Pew Religion Survey found that 4% of Americans identify as atheists. Despite their shared disbelief, Speed suspects that atheists dont see themselves as part of a coherent group. That sets them apart from their religious neighbors. You really cant be accidentally Christian, he said. But you can accidentally be atheist. After reading Speed and Brewsters paper, sociologist Ryan Burge of Eastern Illinois University looked at the GSS data to see if rates of attendance played any role in how Americans view religious groups. He found that church attendance had different effects on Catholics and evangelicals. The more evangelicals go to church, he tweeted, the more positively they feel about Christians and Jews. But they feel more negatively about Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims. By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass more often felt better about other religions. Neither Catholic nor evangelical views of atheists changed when they went to services more. Very few of the so-called nones, those who claim no religious affiliation, attend services regularly. Those who do tend to have a more positive view of religious groups than those who dont attend services. Speed and his co-author argue that in-group versus out-group dynamics explain why Christians dislike atheists more than atheists dislike Christians. Christians may dislike atheists because they are seen as rivals, in the way that fans of one hockey team, say, the Montreal Canadians, dislike fans of a rival team, like the Toronto Maple Leafs. But atheists lack that kind of shared identity, so they are less likely to dislike nontheists or have a reason to like their fellow atheists. We are curmudgeons, said Mehta, with a laugh. Theres nothing really binding us together, so why would I like a random atheist more than anyone else? Speed and his co-author also see another factor at play. Because so few Americans identify as atheists, Christians or other religious people have little social contact with them. So its easier to believe stereotypes about atheists. Melanie pointed out that you can navigate your entire life as a Christian in the United States without actually knowing an atheist, he said; but you cant do that as an atheist in America. You cant say, Ive never met a Christian before. Full Article: https://religionnews.com/2021/07/02/atheists-christians-gss-love-neighbors-atheist-satan-enemy-curmudgeon/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/5/AAZiH8AACE3_.jpg "As the good lord said 'Love they neighbor as thyself, unless he's Turkish, in which case, KILL THE BASTARD'" - Brian Blessed. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962088083] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote> Does this surprise you? Yes No Vote View Results Does this surprise you? - Results (126 votes) Yes 7.14% (9 votes) 9 No 92.86% (117 votes) 117 Show Voting Form David Speed does not worship Satan a fact that helped win over his wife-to-be early in their relationship. On one of their first dates, Speeds wife, who grew up Anglican, asked him what faith he belonged to. When Speed replied that he was an atheist, she pressed for details. So you worship Satan? he recalls her asking. We still laugh about it, said Speed, an assistant professor in social psychology at the University of New Brunswick in Saint John. It wasnt the only misunderstanding they had to get over. In his wifes upbringing, atheists were seen as not only given to bad spiritual practices, but hostile to religious people, especially Christians. Thats a common stereotype, said Speed, especially in the United States, where atheists are often disliked and distrusted. The preconception, however, doesnt hold up, according to a new study: Atheists, overall, view their neighbors in a positive light. Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them, wrote Speed and his colleague, Melanie Brewster of Columbia University, in the academic journal Secularism & Nonreligion. For an article entitled, Love Thy Neighbour or Not, Speed and Brewster looked at data from the 2018 General Social Survey to see how atheists viewed their religious neighbors. In that survey, Americans were asked to rate people of various religious persuasions on a scale from one to five, with one being very negative and five being very positive. Christians rated their fellow Christians at about 4.5 on average, while they gave atheists about a 3 rating, with other faiths in between. (Americans, in general, rated faith groups in a similar manner.) Atheists, however, rated their fellow atheists at about 3.5 on a scale of one to five, and every other faith group about the same. When it comes to these other groups, I think everybody is wrong, said Hemant Mehta, a writer and blogger known as the Friendly Atheist. But guess what, thats fine. As long as religious people arent trying to get him to follow their beliefs or infringing on the rights of others, Mehta said that he has no problems with them. The study didnt surprise Mehta, who said hes well aware of the stereotypes that some religious leaders use to self-described atheists. And he knows that some atheists are seen as hostile to religious people. But thats not the case for most atheists in their day-to-day life. While the GSS asked participants to rate religious groups and atheists, it did not collect specific data on people who identify as atheists. But the survey does ask if people identify as religious and asks if they believe in God. For their study, Speed and Brewster categorized anyone who said they do not believe in God as an atheist, since not believing in God is a central part of being an atheist, said Speed. About 15% of respondents in the GSS fit that category. By contrast, a 2019 Pew Religion Survey found that 4% of Americans identify as atheists. Despite their shared disbelief, Speed suspects that atheists dont see themselves as part of a coherent group. That sets them apart from their religious neighbors. You really cant be accidentally Christian, he said. But you can accidentally be atheist. After reading Speed and Brewsters paper, sociologist Ryan Burge of Eastern Illinois University looked at the GSS data to see if rates of attendance played any role in how Americans view religious groups. He found that church attendance had different effects on Catholics and evangelicals. The more evangelicals go to church, he tweeted, the more positively they feel about Christians and Jews. But they feel more negatively about Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims. By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass more often felt better about other religions. Neither Catholic nor evangelical views of atheists changed when they went to services more. Very few of the so-called nones, those who claim no religious affiliation, attend services regularly. Those who do tend to have a more positive view of religious groups than those who dont attend services. Speed and his co-author argue that in-group versus out-group dynamics explain why Christians dislike atheists more than atheists dislike Christians. Christians may dislike atheists because they are seen as rivals, in the way that fans of one hockey team, say, the Montreal Canadians, dislike fans of a rival team, like the Toronto Maple Leafs. But atheists lack that kind of shared identity, so they are less likely to dislike nontheists or have a reason to like their fellow atheists. We are curmudgeons, said Mehta, with a laugh. Theres nothing really binding us together, so why would I like a random atheist more than anyone else? Speed and his co-author also see another factor at play. Because so few Americans identify as atheists, Christians or other religious people have little social contact with them. So its easier to believe stereotypes about atheists. Melanie pointed out that you can navigate your entire life as a Christian in the United States without actually knowing an atheist, he said; but you cant do that as an atheist in America. You cant say, Ive never met a Christian before. Full Article: https://religionnews.com/2021/07/02/atheists-christians-gss-love-neighbors-atheist-satan-enemy-curmudgeon/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/5/AAZiH8AACE3_.jpg "As the good lord said 'Love they neighbor as thyself, unless he's Turkish, in which case, KILL THE BASTARD'" - Brian Blessed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Michael_Booth 01/26/22 8:36:40 AM #2:	I voted "Yes", because the Psychologist's wife asked him if he worshiped Satan, because he said he was Atheist, like what? I'm confused, how the two are related. <cite>Michael_Booth posted [p:962088139] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>I voted "Yes", because the Psychologist's wife asked him if he worshiped Satan, because he said he was Atheist, like what? I'm confused, how the two are related. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/26/22 8:37:40 AM #3:	Michael_Booth posted... I voted "Yes", because the Psychologist's wife asked him if he worshiped Satan, because he said he was Atheist, like what? I'm confused, how the two are related. have you met Christians before? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962088152] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Michael_Booth posted... </cite> <quote>I voted "Yes", because the Psychologist's wife asked him if he worshiped Satan, because he said he was Atheist, like what? I'm confused, how the two are related.</quote>have you met Christians before? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/26/22 8:37:57 AM #4:	Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me <cite>Zikten posted [p:962088157] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 01/26/22 8:39:11 AM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them, Yeah. This has always been true. It's projection from religious people towards atheist. They think we hate them when the reality is we just generally don't care about religion --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:962088180] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Despite stereotypes of atheists as pugnacious, insular, critical, and/or antitheist, it appears as though they hold less animosity toward Christians than Christians hold toward them,</quote>Yeah. This has always been true. It's projection from religious people towards atheist. They think we hate them when the reality is we just generally don't care about religion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 01/26/22 8:39:21 AM #7:	Of course not. I'd be more surprised if it was the other way around. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:962088184] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Of course not. I'd be more surprised if it was the other way around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 01/26/22 8:41:08 AM #8:	ThyCorndog posted... Yeah. This has always been true. It's projection from religious people towards atheist. They think we hate them when the reality is we just generally don't care about religion It's a command misperception among religious people that atheism doesn't mean disbelief but defiance against God. To them, the concept of literally not believing God even exists is very difficult to wrap their minds around. So they assume we just hate God <cite>Zikten posted [p:962088207] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah. This has always been true. It's projection from religious people towards atheist. They think we hate them when the reality is we just generally don't care about religion </quote> It's a command misperception among religious people that atheism doesn't mean disbelief but defiance against God. To them, the concept of literally not believing God even exists is very difficult to wrap their minds around. So they assume we just hate God</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 01/26/22 8:42:03 AM #9:	UnfairRepresent posted... The more evangelicals go to church, he tweeted, the more positively they feel about Christians and Jews. But they feel more negatively about Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims. By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass more often felt better about other religions. This is interesting to me tho. I wonder what the difference is. I've only been to catholic services before, never protestant --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:962088233] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The more evangelicals go to church, he tweeted, the more positively they feel about Christians and Jews. But they feel more negatively about Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims. By contrast, Catholics who attend Mass more often felt better about other religions.</quote>This is interesting to me tho. I wonder what the difference is. I've only been to catholic services before, never protestant </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 01/26/22 8:51:58 AM #10:	Does he not know that Christians are supposed to hate what isn't Christianity because it is considered false religion? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:962088389] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Does he not know that Christians are supposed to hate what isn't Christianity because it is considered false religion? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 01/26/22 8:59:08 AM #11:	ThyCorndog posted... This is interesting to me tho. I wonder what the difference is. I've only been to catholic services before, never protestant The difference is the bible vs. the Pope. The bible says what it says. The Popes can contradict each other and override previous Popes. Also contradict what the bible says. For isntance: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/22/pope-benedict-xvi-heaven-non-catholics-church The former Pope Benedict XVI has suggested that those who mistakenly believe in other religions may not be damned after all. Which is hardly good for church attendance Catholics can no longer believe that all Muslims, Hindus, atheists and so on are going to hell. We have this on the authority of the former Pope Benedict XVI, who gave a long interview a couple of years ago that has only just surfaced in English. Benedicts view must be definitive, not just because he was a pope, but because he was a notably conservative one. So now depending on which Pope you agree with, you can view Christianity as being necessary or you can view it as not being necessary tbh, if you are Catholic. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:962088498] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>This is interesting to me tho. I wonder what the difference is. I've only been to catholic services before, never protestant</quote> The difference is the bible vs. the Pope. The bible says what it says. The Popes can contradict each other and override previous Popes. Also contradict what the bible says. For isntance: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/22/pope-benedict-xvi-heaven-non-catholics-church <quote>The former Pope Benedict XVI has suggested that those who mistakenly believe in other religions may not be damned after all. Which is hardly good for church attendance Catholics can no longer believe that all Muslims, Hindus, atheists and so on are going to hell. We have this on the authority of the former Pope Benedict XVI, who gave a long interview a couple of years ago that has only just surfaced in English. Benedicts view must be definitive, not just because he was a pope, but because he was a notably conservative one.</quote> So now depending on which Pope you agree with, you can view Christianity as being necessary or you can view it as not being necessary tbh, if you are Catholic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 01/26/22 9:03:28 AM #12:	Don't protestants go on about how people that don't believe just like they do automatically go to hell? In all my years of going to Catholic church(it has been a long time though), I don't remember any of that kind of talk from any of the priests. And they certainly never taught us that in PSR(religious classes for public school children). --- Vegy is a 30 year old man, who's pretending to be a 60 year old woman that likes to act like a 57 year old man that pretends to be a horny 16 year old boy. <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:962088573] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Don't protestants go on about how people that don't believe just like they do automatically go to hell? In all my years of going to Catholic church(it has been a long time though), I don't remember any of that kind of talk from any of the priests. And they certainly never taught us that in PSR(religious classes for public school children). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 01/26/22 9:10:23 AM #13:	WingsOfGood posted... The difference is the bible vs. the Pope. The bible says what it says. The Popes can contradict each other and override previous Popes. Also contradict what the bible says. For isntance: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/22/pope-benedict-xvi-heaven-non-catholics-church So now depending on which Pope you agree with, you can view Christianity as being necessary or you can view it as not being necessary tbh, if you are Catholic. Based catholics --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:962088701] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>The difference is the bible vs. the Pope. The bible says what it says. The Popes can contradict each other and override previous Popes. Also contradict what the bible says. For isntance: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/22/pope-benedict-xvi-heaven-non-catholics-church So now depending on which Pope you agree with, you can view Christianity as being necessary or you can view it as not being necessary tbh, if you are Catholic.</quote>Based catholics </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VanananaHeyHey 01/26/22 9:10:30 AM #14:	No surprise. My ex grew up in a cult (Moonies) and said that "secular humanists" were more demonized and used as a rhetorical menace than "liberals," "Democrats" or even "homosexuals." After leaving the cult, it was astounding to discover that "secular humanism" is not at all a common ethos (or even phrase) outside of those types of religious circles. Like, the impression was that newscasters, daytime talkshow hosts, etc. would all be pounding "secular humanism" by name during their airtime. --- https://imgur.com/vA0mIdX Vanai CE's official linguist, War-tor-le and Charizard <cite>VanananaHeyHey posted [p:962088702] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>No surprise. My ex grew up in a cult (Moonies) and said that "secular humanists" were more demonized and used as a rhetorical menace than "liberals," "Democrats" or even "homosexuals." After leaving the cult, it was astounding to discover that "secular humanism" is not at all a common ethos (or even phrase) outside of those types of religious circles. Like, the impression was that newscasters, daytime talkshow hosts, etc. would all be pounding "secular humanism" by name during their airtime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 01/26/22 9:48:22 AM #15:	of course christians hate other religions, and other religions hate... other religions. none can exist without invalidating all the others, it's like a big giant pointless stalemate, or a theistic schrodinger's box, as long as the box stays closed and no one knows what the truth is, we can all silently resent each other --- You'll never wake up <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:962089487] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>of course christians hate other religions, and other religions hate... other religions. none can exist without invalidating all the others, it's like a big giant pointless stalemate, or a theistic schrodinger's box, as long as the box stays closed and no one knows what the truth is, we can all silently resent each other </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimmyFraska 01/26/22 9:49:09 AM #16:	You guys are talkin about it but what are you gonna do about it <cite>JimmyFraska posted [p:962089507] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>You guys are talkin about it but what are you gonna do about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 01/26/22 9:54:09 AM #17:	Very unsurprising --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:962089608] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Very unsurprising</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 01/26/22 9:54:27 AM #18:	Someone should show these researchers r/atheism --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://i.imgur.com/0EJvC4l.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:962089615] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Someone should show these researchers r/atheism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 01/26/22 9:57:06 AM #19:	Zikten posted... Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me --- 504 bout it bout it 901 bout it bout it <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:962089672] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 01/26/22 10:00:26 AM #20:	lilORANG posted... I'd be more surprised if it was the other way around. --- I'm an expert on pit bulls, not Cardi B <cite>Looked gf posted [p:962089731] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>lilORANG posted... </cite> <quote>I'd be more surprised if it was the other way around.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJPurple 01/26/22 10:02:57 AM #21:	Were_Wyrm posted... Someone should show these researchers r/atheism https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/5/AAfCfxAAC2gj.jpg --- 504 bout it bout it 901 bout it bout it <cite>SSJPurple posted [p:962089786] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite> <quote>Someone should show these researchers r/atheism</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/5/5/AAfCfxAAC2gj.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 01/26/22 10:05:44 AM #22:	Of course. We Atheists give no shit about religion. Christians get pissed when you aren't Christian. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:962089846] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Of course. We Atheists give no shit about religion. Christians get pissed when you aren't Christian. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 01/26/22 10:07:53 AM #23:	Gonna be a pretty big "no duh" from me. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:962089881] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Gonna be a pretty big "no duh" from me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McMarbles 01/26/22 10:21:27 AM #24:	I mean Atheism isnt technically a religion so... --- Currently playing: Stardew Valley (Switch) #SluggoIsLit <cite>McMarbles posted [p:962090168] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>I mean Atheism isnt technically a religion so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ranagrande 01/26/22 10:36:26 AM #25:	I looked at the article. This guy's own research does not support his claims. Christian ratings for different religious groups: Atheists: 2.9 Christians: 4.41 Buddhists: 3.57 Hindus: 3.51 Jews: 3.81 Muslims: 3.42 Atheist ratings for different religious groups: Atheists: 3.54 Christians: 3.35 Buddhists: 3.58 Hindus: 3.38 Jews: 3.44 Muslims: 3.18 The only religious groups that are viewed more favorably by Atheists than Christians are Atheists and Buddhists, and the latter is almost a tie. This is taken from the study's own data, which I would also say is of dubious value as a sample of 637 Christians and 122 Atheists is likely too small to draw any meaningful conclusions from. <cite>ranagrande posted [p:962090507] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>I looked at the article. This guy's own research does not support his claims. Christian ratings for different religious groups: Atheists: 2.9 Christians: 4.41 Buddhists: 3.57 Hindus: 3.51 Jews: 3.81 Muslims: 3.42 Atheist ratings for different religious groups: Atheists: 3.54 Christians: 3.35 Buddhists: 3.58 Hindus: 3.38 Jews: 3.44 Muslims: 3.18 The only religious groups that are viewed more favorably by Atheists than Christians are Atheists and Buddhists, and the latter is almost a tie. This is taken from the study's own data, which I would also say is of dubious value as a sample of 637 Christians and 122 Atheists is likely too small to draw any meaningful conclusions from. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 01/26/22 10:37:11 AM #26:	I feel like the only reasonable response here is "fucking duh". --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:962090524] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>I feel like the only reasonable response here is "fucking duh". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 01/26/22 10:38:25 AM #27:	Christians are incredibly judgy --- Genius, Thousandaire, Playboy, Philanthropist <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:962090545] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Christians are incredibly judgy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 01/26/22 10:44:29 AM #29:	ranagrande posted... I looked at the article. This guy's own research does not support his claims. No. Christians put Christians first and everyone else well below, especially atheists. Atheists put everyone around the same level. That's the claim, and that's exactly what the data shows. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:962090689] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ranagrande posted... </cite> <quote>I looked at the article. This guy's own research does not support his claims.</quote>No. Christians put Christians first and everyone else well below, especially atheists. Atheists put everyone around the same level. That's the claim, and that's exactly what the data shows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 01/26/22 10:46:42 AM #30:	Obviously <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:962090735] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Obviously </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 01/26/22 10:48:04 AM #31:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/ socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx Only 60% of Americans would be willing to elect an atheist for president, lower than any other religious group. <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:962090769] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/ socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx Only 60% of Americans would be willing to elect an atheist for president, lower than any other religious group. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/26/22 11:05:59 AM #32:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] it really is Look at your money, look at your court walls, look at every elected official, look at the ways atheists are treated Atheists as a generalization In the US are treated how Christians with a persecution like to pretend they are treated Imagine what would happen if Joe Biden came out tomorrow and said "My fellow Americans, I don't believe in God" The GOP would flat-out attempt impeachment --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962091197] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> it really is Look at your money, look at your court walls, look at every elected official, look at the ways atheists are treated Atheists as a generalization In the US are treated how Christians with a persecution like to pretend they are treated Imagine what would happen if Joe Biden came out tomorrow and said "My fellow Americans, I don't believe in God" The GOP would flat-out attempt impeachment </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 01/27/22 7:39:48 PM #33:	Zikten posted... Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me This. Jesus--the real Jesus, not Evangelicals' idea of him--would be extremely disappointed. mustachedmystic posted... Don't protestants go on about how people that don't believe just like they do automatically go to hell? Yep. The only way to get into Heaven is to accept that Jesus is the Son of God and your Savior into your heart. Anyone who doesn't is condemned to Hell. Obviously, this means that a great many legit good people are going to suffer in Hell forever simply because they have different spiritual beliefs. That's one of the reasons why--while I was raised Christian--I don't subscribe to those beliefs anymore. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:962135756] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Christians in my experience can be some of the most hateful people on earth. So this does not surprise me</quote>This. Jesus--the real Jesus, not Evangelicals' idea of him--would be extremely disappointed. mustachedmystic posted... </cite> <quote>Don't protestants go on about how people that don't believe just like they do automatically go to hell?</quote>Yep. The only way to get into Heaven is to accept that Jesus is the Son of God and your Savior into your heart. Anyone who doesn't is condemned to Hell. Obviously, this means that a great many legit good people are going to suffer in Hell forever simply because they have different spiritual beliefs. That's one of the reasons why--while I was raised Christian--I don't subscribe to those beliefs anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProudlyHated87 01/27/22 7:51:39 PM #34:	Solar_Crimson posted... This. Jesus--the real Jesus, not Evangelicals' idea of him--would be extremely disappointed. Yep. The only way to get into Heaven is to accept that Jesus is the Son of God and your Savior into your heart. Anyone who doesn't is condemned to Hell. Obviously, this means that a great many legit good people are going to suffer in Hell forever simply because they have different spiritual beliefs. That's one of the reasons why--while I was raised Christian--I don't subscribe to those beliefs anymore. Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of. --- Ryzen 9 5900X \| EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| ASUS ROG Strix X570 \| 32GB 3600Mhz Corsair Vengeance \| Corsair RM1000X PSU \| 2TB Samsung EVO 970 \| LianLi o11 Dynamic <cite>ProudlyHated87 posted [p:962136121] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Solar_Crimson posted... </cite> <quote>This. Jesus--the real Jesus, not Evangelicals' idea of him--would be extremely disappointed. Yep. The only way to get into Heaven is to accept that Jesus is the Son of God and your Savior into your heart. Anyone who doesn't is condemned to Hell. Obviously, this means that a great many legit good people are going to suffer in Hell forever simply because they have different spiritual beliefs. That's one of the reasons why--while I was raised Christian--I don't subscribe to those beliefs anymore.</quote> Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 01/27/22 7:58:48 PM #35:	ProudlyHated87 posted... Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of. There's absolutely no reason why a kind-hearted and charitable person who raised a good family and helped out their friends and community throughout their life should be condemned to Hell just because they weren't Christian. Meanwhile, a complete sociopath who constantly screwed over every person they came across throughout their life could decide to repent for their actions at the very end of their life, and they would have more of a right to get into Heaven than the above person. Faith-based salvation will never sit right with me. --- I often wonder if we are growing as a people... or in fact, regressing. <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:962136303] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ProudlyHated87 posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of.</quote>There's absolutely no reason why a kind-hearted and charitable person who raised a good family and helped out their friends and community throughout their life should be condemned to Hell just because they weren't Christian. Meanwhile, a complete sociopath who constantly screwed over every person they came across throughout their life could decide to repent for their actions at the very end of their life, and they would have more of a right to get into Heaven than the above person. Faith-based salvation will never sit right with me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 01/27/22 8:14:20 PM #37:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Not enough for you? <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:962136730] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Not enough for you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 01/27/22 11:42:20 PM #38:	ProudlyHated87 posted... Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of. What a load of shit --- I'm an expert on pit bulls, not Cardi B <cite>Looked gf posted [p:962141850] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ProudlyHated87 posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of.</quote>What a load of shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/27/22 11:57:12 PM #39:	Sad, but not surprising. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:962142188] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Sad, but not surprising. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 01/27/22 11:57:48 PM #40:	Im sure Christians would be surprised <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:962142198] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Im sure Christians would be surprised </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 01/27/22 11:58:25 PM #41:	ProudlyHated87 posted... Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of. why not <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:962142208] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ProudlyHated87 posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody is good enough to get to Heaven by themselves, even these legit good people you speak of.</quote>why not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProudlyHated87 01/28/22 11:32:16 AM #42:	Kloe_Rinz posted... why not Its said in the Bible. John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Solar_Crimson posted... There's absolutely no reason why a kind-hearted and charitable person who raised a good family and helped out their friends and community throughout their life should be condemned to Hell just because they weren't Christian. Meanwhile, a complete sociopath who constantly screwed over every person they came across throughout their life could decide to repent for their actions at the very end of their life, and they would have more of a right to get into Heaven than the above person. Faith-based salvation will never sit right with me. Thats the hand weve been dealt as sinners. Shaking your fist at fate wont save anyone. --- Ryzen 9 5900X \| EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| ASUS ROG Strix X570 \| 32GB 3600Mhz Corsair Vengeance \| Corsair RM1000X PSU \| 2TB Samsung EVO 970 \| LianLi o11 Dynamic <cite>ProudlyHated87 posted [p:962151750] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite> <quote>why not</quote> Its said in the Bible. John 14:6 Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Solar_Crimson posted... </cite> <quote>There's absolutely no reason why a kind-hearted and charitable person who raised a good family and helped out their friends and community throughout their life should be condemned to Hell just because they weren't Christian. Meanwhile, a complete sociopath who constantly screwed over every person they came across throughout their life could decide to repent for their actions at the very end of their life, and they would have more of a right to get into Heaven than the above person. Faith-based salvation will never sit right with me.</quote> Thats the hand weve been dealt as sinners. Shaking your fist at fate wont save anyone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ProudlyHated87 01/28/22 11:33:19 AM #43:	Looked gf posted... What a load of shit How so? --- Ryzen 9 5900X \| EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| ASUS ROG Strix X570 \| 32GB 3600Mhz Corsair Vengeance \| Corsair RM1000X PSU \| 2TB Samsung EVO 970 \| LianLi o11 Dynamic <cite>ProudlyHated87 posted [p:962151783] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Looked gf posted... </cite> <quote>What a load of shit</quote> How so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 01/28/22 11:37:29 AM #44:	Yes and no As a Christian I am aware of the far right and some more unsavory views that might not belong, along with wanting other people to be Christian. But I didn't think so. --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:962151878] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Yes and no As a Christian I am aware of the far right and some more unsavory views that might not belong, along with wanting other people to be Christian. But I didn't think so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 01/28/22 12:00:34 PM #45:	ProudlyHated87 posted... How so? It's all bullshit. Non-religious person minds their own business, lives a normal life to the fullest = hell Serial child diddling Catholic priest doing some basic repentance = heaven Totally makes sense --- I'm an expert on pit bulls, not Cardi B <cite>Looked gf posted [p:962152460] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>ProudlyHated87 posted... </cite> <quote>How so?</quote>It's all bullshit. Non-religious person minds their own business, lives a normal life to the fullest = hell Serial child diddling Catholic priest doing some basic repentance = heaven Totally makes sense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 01/28/22 12:23:19 PM #46:	The problem with the "you need Jesus/God to get into heaven" serves a bigger problem because now it's entirely dependent on the circumstances of your birth, which is incredibly unfair. If you're born in a region that is predominately Christian, there's a high likely chance you're going to be raised Christian and follow that religion. So imagine some guy just goes in and says your religion is wrong and you have to follow our religion and God in order to go to heaven, there's a very good chance you're going to reject him. He's basically saying your way of life is incorrect and you will be damned because of it. It's a stupid system that shouldn't be a thing. It also poses another question, do the ignorants go to hell as well even if a they live a "moral" life? This goes into the same issue about the circumstances of your birth. There's probably someone out there who has never heard of the Christian religion before, so if he dies is he also denied to go to heaven because he has never heard of it? IMO if I was still a Christian, I would not give a clear answer on who goes to heaven or hell and say "it's up to God to judge". --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:962153005] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>The problem with the "you need Jesus/God to get into heaven" serves a bigger problem because now it's entirely dependent on the circumstances of your birth, which is incredibly unfair. If you're born in a region that is predominately Christian, there's a high likely chance you're going to be raised Christian and follow that religion. So imagine some guy just goes in and says your religion is wrong and you have to follow our religion and God in order to go to heaven, there's a very good chance you're going to reject him. He's basically saying your way of life is incorrect and you will be damned because of it. It's a stupid system that shouldn't be a thing. It also poses another question, do the ignorants go to hell as well even if a they live a "moral" life? This goes into the same issue about the circumstances of your birth. There's probably someone out there who has never heard of the Christian religion before, so if he dies is he also denied to go to heaven because he has never heard of it? IMO if I was still a Christian, I would not give a clear answer on who goes to heaven or hell and say "it's up to God to judge". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/28/22 12:53:49 PM #47:	^ Not to mention the people who existed before Jesus turned up. Sure the ppulation was smaller then but still, they died young. That's gotta be most of all human life in hell by default --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:962153789] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>^ Not to mention the people who existed before Jesus turned up. Sure the ppulation was smaller then but still, they died young. That's gotta be most of all human life in hell by default </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 01/28/22 12:56:12 PM #48:	Why would it be surprising? They think all other religions are the work of SATAN --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:962153852] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>Why would it be surprising? They think all other religions are the work of SATAN </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
itachi15243 01/28/22 12:59:57 PM #49:	UnfairRepresent posted... ^ Not to mention the people who existed before Jesus turned up. Sure the ppulation was smaller then but still, they died young. That's gotta be most of all human life in hell by default These topics get confused about Christianity really effing fast. It seems that most of the topic seems to be about catholicism and general denomination related issues and not the religion at it's purity. Jesus died for all people's sins Also, jesus went into hell to rescue the souls of those who died before he had come. --- I do drawings and stuff https://www.fiverr.com/blueblitz <cite>itachi15243 posted [p:962153952] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>^ Not to mention the people who existed before Jesus turned up. Sure the ppulation was smaller then but still, they died young. That's gotta be most of all human life in hell by default</quote> These topics get confused about Christianity really effing fast. It seems that most of the topic seems to be about catholicism and general denomination related issues and not the religion at it's purity. Jesus died for all people's sins Also, jesus went into hell to rescue the souls of those who died before he had come. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 01/28/22 1:01:39 PM #50:	itachi15243 posted... Also, jesus went into hell to rescue the souls of those who died before he had come. This is just conjecture. --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:962154004] in Christians... [t:79870255]...</cite> <quote>itachi15243 posted... </cite> <quote>Also, jesus went into hell to rescue the souls of those who died before he had come.</quote> This is just conjecture. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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