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archedsoul
01/14/22 11:52:52 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
We aren't sure what Thor's true level of power is. Every time he is tested, he emerges victorious, no?

I'm convinced only cosmic-level entities like Thanos w/ the Gauntlet were capable of beating Vision
And he's also lost tons of times. He doesn't always reach a new Super Saiyan level.

Vision was killed by another being powered by a single Infinity Stone.

Kevin Feige has also said Wanda was the most powerful character in the MCU as of the Wandavision show. Meaning Captain Marvel is weaker than her. Both are powered by an Infinity Stone and both are incredibly powerful.

But the Eternals are literally using cosmic energy and go beyond just being powered by an Infinity Stone. The bigger point is that, at best, it will end up being 2 on 8, since it's gonna be very hard for the other Avengers to do much to knock them out.

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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:53:39 PM
#52:


Xethuminra posted...
We aren't sure what Thor's true level of power is. Every time he is tested, he emerges victorious, no?

I'm convinced only cosmic-level entities like Thanos w/ the Gauntlet were capable of beating Vision

Sersi said she can convert matter into other things. By that logic she could convert vision's vibranium into wood

Vision also got dismantled by thanos and his squad who had vibranium piercing weapons
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g0ldie
01/14/22 11:54:59 PM
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iirc, she could only convert non-sentient matter

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 12:01:20 AM
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g0ldie posted...
iirc, she could only convert non-sentient matter

she can convert anything by the end of the movie, thats how she turned sprite (an eternal) into a human.
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Xethuminra
01/15/22 12:01:48 AM
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archedsoul posted...
And he's also lost tons of times. He doesn't always reach a new Super Saiyan level.

Vision was killed by another being powered by a single Infinity Stone.

Kevin Feige has also said Wanda was the most powerful character in the MCU as of the Wandavision show. Meaning Captain Marvel is weaker than her. Both are powered by an Infinity Stone and both are incredibly powerful.

But the Eternals are literally using cosmic energy and go beyond just being powered by an Infinity Stone. The bigger point is that, at best, it will end up being 2 on 8, since it's gonna be very hard for the other Avengers to do much to knock them out.
Thor posed the biggest threat to Thanos outside of Iron Man. That's what was depicted.

Blue_Popo posted...
Sersi said she can convert matter into other things. By that logic she could convert vision's vibranium into wood

Vision also got dismantled by thanos and his squad who had vibranium piercing weapons
If she can catch him.

I'll bring up Ant-Man again, for those who missed it. Ant-Man could shrink to an atomic level and theoretically do any NUMBER of things. We're set to see him face down Kang in the next movie (Quantumania) so that's a huge deal as well. Besides that, there's the chance Druig's power wouldn't effect Star Lord if Star Lord is related to the Celestials as discribed by Ego and

Sersi has to be able to touch Vision for that to work. Vision's main power involves phasing through solid objects and even other lifeforms (or robots, in this case) which potentially complicates her ability to turn him into a tree

g0ldie posted...
iirc, she could only convert non-sentient matter
She is seen coverting a Deviant and a Celestial, one into a tree, and the other to stone/metal

the question is, were they organic and either way
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g0ldie
01/15/22 12:04:49 AM
#56:


Blue_Popo posted...
she can convert anything by the end of the movie, thats how she turned sprite (an eternal) into a human.
oh yea, true.

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TMOG
01/15/22 12:07:41 AM
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Blue_Popo posted...
she can convert anything by the end of the movie, thats how she turned sprite (an eternal) into a human.
That was a temporary buff because she was connected to Tiamut during the emergence. Once she killed him that power started to fade -- she just had enough residual buff left to alter Sprite.

EDIT: I thought the topic title had a spoiler tag in it, my bad
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archedsoul
01/15/22 12:11:12 AM
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Thanos with 2 Stones obliterated Thor. Stormbreaker was the actual threat. Thanos was again 1 person, not a team that rivals the Justice League.

Ego was not a Celestial. That is what he assumed or made up. As we've seen, every Celestial shown looks nothing like the parasitic Ego.

TC didn't bring up Ant-Man and I doubt he'd be all that helpful since we've already seen him action during a giant battle and he did none of that.

Also, Sersi can only use that extra power when connected to Tiamut.

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Doe
01/15/22 12:17:56 AM
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archedsoul posted...
Ego was not a Celestial. That is what he assumed or made up. As we've seen, every Celestial shown looks nothing like the parasitic Ego.
This is headcanon

archedsoul posted...
Thanos with 2 Stones obliterated Thor. Stormbreaker was the actual threat. Thanos was again 1 person, not a team that rivals the Justice League.
Didn't Thor basically absorb the energy of a sun core while forging Stormbreaker

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008Zulu
01/15/22 12:19:26 AM
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The Eternals are cosmically powered. The only ones who might stand a chance are Vision (if he has the mind stone) and Wanda (post Wandavision).

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Xethuminra
01/15/22 12:19:43 AM
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Defeated =\= Obliterated. Thor got the last laugh and very nearly the 2nd laugh as well.

Ego was a giant brain. We aren't sure what that was. Knowhere is in a decapitated Celestial head, for example. Maybe a former part of Ego, or was he wrong?

Ant-Man is also a glass cannon. If he gets hit with some time-shifting wizard stuff from the Gauntlet, he's in big trouble, and I don't remember what he was busy doing during all that
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TMOG
01/15/22 12:25:15 AM
#62:


archedsoul posted...
Ego was not a Celestial.
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ego
Ego was a Celestial
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archedsoul
01/15/22 12:26:48 AM
#63:


Doe posted...
This is headcanon
Doe posted...
This is headcanon
No, we have no confirmation he's a Celestial other than him stating so. While also stating he has no idea where he came from and detailing the process of how he grew. None of that matches with a Celestial using a planet to gestate.

Could it have been a prototype experiment by the Celestials? Sure. Is it anything like the Celestials we've seen? No, especially its parasitic nature.

Doe posted...
Didn't Thor basically absorb the energy of a sun core while forging Stormbreaker
Yeah, same guy who still lost to Thanos.

Xethuminra posted...
Defeated =\= Obliterated. Thor got the last laugh and very nearly the 2nd laugh as well.

Ego was a giant brain. We aren't sure what that was. Knowhere is in a decapitated Celestial head, for example. Maybe a former part of Ego, or was he wrong?

Ant-Man is also a glass cannon. If he gets hit with some time-shifting wizard stuff from the Gauntlet, he's in big trouble, and I don't remember what he was busy doing during all that
Alright, well the Eternals would defeat him, as I said in my OP.

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 12:26:53 AM
#64:


TMOG posted...
https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ego
Ego was a Celestial

In marvel comics he isnt but in mcu he says he is but is clearly different from every other celestial.

Even then hes tough to beat. The guardians had a nuke and knew the specific place to put it
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Doe
01/15/22 12:28:59 AM
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Yeah the writers of the MCU had Ego use the term Celestial unchallenged in GotG2 for the lulz and to make sure audiences were even more confused during Eternals. That makes so much sense, he doesn't seem just like the ones in another movie so it was fake news!

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Xethuminra
01/15/22 12:32:04 AM
#66:


On that note....

Dr Strange is arguably the most powerful entity I think I've observed outside of the Loki show, demonstrating an ability to play with the fabric of time & space to wonderous sometimes disasterous effect. He arguably hasn't reached the same level of power as his predecessor yet, either. What he has done is defeat Dormmammu, Thanos (albeit both indirectly), and beckoned beings from two completely different movie franchises into the MCU (albeit accidentally). Pretty sure stuff like that can "overpower" a laserbeam any day.

Interested to see where they take the Wanda story with him. They're almost like apples & oranges or two sides of the same coin. She is far more physical and direct, and appears to have a greater agency over lifeforms.

About Ego, I find it more likely he killed a Celestial or inhabited its corpse while it was still a baby in a planet core
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Doe
01/15/22 12:33:55 AM
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Now that you mention it would most eternals be able to resist a Strange portal venting them to alpha centauri or something

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 12:34:03 AM
#68:


Dr strange is also glass canon. Makkari knocks him out before he can get his hands up to cast a spell.

NWH showed he had cuts on his face from fighting the lizard
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Doe
01/15/22 12:35:06 AM
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Doctor strange is just a jobber when he's not the star

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archedsoul
01/15/22 12:36:24 AM
#70:


Doe posted...
Yeah the writers of the MCU had Ego use the term Celestial unchallenged in GotG2 for the lulz and to make sure audiences were even more confused during Eternals. That makes so much sense, he doesn't seem just like the ones in another movie so it was fake news!
That was 8 years ago. The Ancient One and Dr Strange and constantly talked about the multiverse in Dr Strange, when it was referring to something else. And then Strange referred to the same multiverse in NWH referring to something else.

As I said, at the end, we only have Ego's word on this. Especially since he's not a Celestial in the comics. Even then, we were shown Celestials were full body giants all the way back in GotG 1 with the head and Eson the Searcher.

Edit: 5 years ago. Got it confused with GotG 1.

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Doe
01/15/22 12:39:19 AM
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archedsoul posted...
That was 8 years ago
????? Gotg2 came out in 2017

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Xethuminra
01/15/22 12:39:43 AM
#72:


Doe posted...
Doctor strange is just a jobber when he's not the star
The cool thing about a lot of these guys is that they're very powerful but if they make a mistake or get caught off guard, they're toast.

If it came down to it, the Avengers + SHIELD wins with numbers alone.

Curious about Iron Wars or whatever. Stark's suits & drones had to get picked up somewhere.

Last we saw, the army wanted to mass-produce the fuckers

archedsoul posted...
That was 8 years ago. The Ancient One and Dr Strange and constantly talked about the multiverse in Dr Strange, when it was referring to something else. And then Strange referred to the same multiverse in NWH referring to something else.

As I said, at the end, we only have Ego's word on this. Especially since he's not a Celestial in the comics. Even then, we were shown Celestials were full body giants all the way back in GotG 1 with the head and Eson the Searcher.
Again, Ego may have discovered a Celestrial fetus and absorbed it. Which arguably would make him a Celestial
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archedsoul
01/15/22 12:40:31 AM
#73:


Xethuminra posted...
Again, Ego may have discovered a Celestrial fetus and absorbed it. Which arguably would make him a Celestial
That would actually be headcannon. I was just going by what we've been shown and what he said.

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Xethuminra
01/15/22 12:41:39 AM
#74:


archedsoul posted...
That would actually be headcannon. I was just going by what we've been shown and what he said.
Given the way he works and how common Celeatials seem to be, I think it's more of a plausible theory than headcannon

He traveled to countless worlds.
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TMOG
01/15/22 12:47:59 AM
#75:


And now that we've moved on to soft NWH spoilers it's time for me to leave this topic and hide it
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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 2:03:39 AM
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Maybe the eternals would approach this like goku/piccolo did against raditz and have everyone fight while kingo charges his special beam canon for hulk
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ViewtifulGrave
01/15/22 2:11:26 AM
#77:


Xethuminra posted...
Druig is not seen mind controlling aliens, superhumans, people in special armor, people with mental conditioning, etc
Druig has been on multiple worlds why would his abilities only work on humans, especially since hes existed before them. Why are you trying to set limits to his abilities that are never alluded to?

So that's unclear. I would actually assume what he does works like a Jedi mind trick, and decreases in effectiveness based on the fortitude of the victim
You just made this up. Mind tricks are basically suggestions that works on weak minds. Druig takes complete control over his targets with zero resistance.

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 2:13:27 AM
#78:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Druig has been on multiple worlds why would his abilities only work on humans, especially since hes existed before them. Why are you trying to set limits to his abilities that are never alluded to?

You just made this up. Mind tricks are basically suggestions that works on weak minds. Druig takes complete control over his targets with zero resistance.

This

Hulk, thor, captain america all showed they can be easily influenced by mind control like anyone else
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Returning_CEmen
01/15/22 2:18:27 AM
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Druig is too OP

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 2:55:40 AM
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Returning_CEmen posted...
Druig is too OP

Im also going to assume mind control doesn't work on Eternals or else Druig would have used it . So Wanda cant get them like that
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dj1200
01/15/22 3:14:00 AM
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wanda w/ infinity stones solos

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ViewtifulGrave
01/15/22 3:18:21 AM
#82:


dj1200 posted...
wanda w/ infinity stones solos
Anybody with the infinity stones solos.

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Blue_Popo
01/15/22 4:47:51 PM
#83:


dj1200 posted...
wanda w/ infinity stones solos

We dont even know if wanda can actually use one

Maybe if hawkeye has those shrink arrows he can hit everyone and someone can just crush them at that point. Hawkeye has bs autoaim, he can probably hit makkari
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Xethuminra
01/15/22 5:03:40 PM
#84:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Druig has been on multiple worlds why would his abilities only work on humans, especially since hes existed before them. Why are you trying to set limits to his abilities that are never alluded to?

You just made this up. Mind tricks are basically suggestions that works on weak minds. Druig takes complete control over his targets with zero resistance.
I made up a question about how a power works that we have admittedly seen very little of?

Yes

Yes, I did
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AlCalavicci
01/15/22 10:35:22 PM
#85:


What you are all forgetting about Captain America, is that he can do this all DAAYYYYYYYYY!!!

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InfinityMonster
01/15/22 10:54:14 PM
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