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ImAMarvel
01/14/22 2:32:17 PM
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Who takes it? And I guess this is the 'classic' MCU Avengers lineup of Iron Man, War Machine, Cap, Thor, Hulk, BW, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and the Vision.

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SSJKirby
01/14/22 2:34:59 PM
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Scarlett solos

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RISEofCHRISTIAN
01/14/22 2:41:43 PM
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Vision solos.

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g0ldie
01/14/22 2:42:39 PM
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without Scarlet Witch, I'd say The Eternals win, and not even all of them would be needed.

with Scarlet Witch, she's OP, but I dunno.

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AsucaHayashi
01/14/22 2:43:32 PM
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was ikaris always supposed to be OP and none of the others could challenge him?

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ranagrande
01/14/22 2:50:10 PM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
was ikaris always supposed to be OP and none of the others could challenge him?
I think in the comics they were all pretty equal.

As for the question, the Avengers win easily. Mostly because, as SSJKirby said, Wanda solos.
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UndefeatedGOAT
01/14/22 2:51:23 PM
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Danesh solos
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lolife67
01/14/22 2:52:22 PM
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Wanda can't solo lol she's powerful but still a glass cannon.

I'm going with Eternals as there's nothing to stop Druig from controlling all the human members (and Hulk) and having them turn on their allies.
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fan357
01/14/22 2:52:47 PM
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UndefeatedGOAT posted...
Danesh solos

He would be too busy gloating or sabotaging his cousin.

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UndefeatedGOAT
01/14/22 2:55:26 PM
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fan357 posted...


He would be too busy gloating or sabotaging his cousin.


What if him and gilfoyle could set their differences aside and work together?
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CommonStar
01/14/22 2:56:59 PM
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Wouldn't Eternals just win in shear numbers alone? Because they exist other planets and worlds too?
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ranagrande
01/14/22 3:00:54 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Wanda can't solo lol she's powerful but still a glass cannon.

I'm going with Eternals as there's nothing to stop Druig from controlling all the human members (and Hulk) and having them turn on their allies.
Vision should be able to stop Druig from doing too much damage. The only one in that battle (Avenger or Eternal) that can beat Vision is Wanda.

Like I said, she solos. She was able to solo Thanos when he had five infinity stones. The Eternals shouldn't be a threat to her at all.
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lolife67
01/14/22 3:03:05 PM
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ranagrande posted...
Vision should be able to stop Druig from doing too much damage.
Why? He can't disrupt telepathy and there's other Eternals to keep him busy.

ranagrande posted...
She was able to solo Thanos when he had five infinity stones
Um, that's a flawed comparison. This isn't her going one-on one like with Thanos. While she's blasting one Eternal, are the others going to just stand around?
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ranagrande
01/14/22 3:16:15 PM
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lolife67 posted...
Why? He can't disrupt telepathy and there's other Eternals to keep him busy.
A mind stone laser to the face would probably provide sufficient disruption. As for the other Eternals, what can they do to him? His phasing ability should nullify most of their offense. Unless Phastos has a way to counter Vision,

lolife67 posted...

Um, that's a flawed comparison. This isn't her going one-on one like with Thanos. While she's blasting one Eternal, are the others going to just stand around?
She can get them all at once. We've seen the magnitude of her power with Westview, and she's likely even stronger now thanks to the Darkhold.
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lolife67
01/14/22 3:19:25 PM
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ranagrande posted...
A mind stone laser to the face would probably provide sufficient disruption. As for the other Eternals, what can they do to him? His phasing ability should nullify most of their offense. Unless Phastos has a way to counter Vision,
My point isn't that they'd beat him but he'd still need to focus on his opponent, not take out multiple at once.

ranagrande posted...
She can get them all at once. We've seen the magnitude of her power with Westview, and she's likely even stronger now thanks to the Darkhold.
Well we have no clue what the Darkhold has done, so let's leave that out. As for Westview, remember those are also normal humans, not Eternals and even they were able to resist her control at times. Nor has she used anything like that in combat.
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ranagrande
01/14/22 3:32:47 PM
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lolife67 posted...
My point isn't that they'd beat him but he'd still need to focus on his opponent, not take out multiple at once.
Right, that's why I was only saying that Vision would be able to counter Druig's mind control.

lolife67 posted...
Well we have no clue what the Darkhold has done, so let's leave that out. As for Westview, remember those are also normal humans, not Eternals and even they were able to resist her control at times. Nor has she used anything like that in combat.
I meant more that Westview showed the scale she can affect now. If she used the same energy shields she did back in Age of Ultron on a scale anywhere near what she had with the Westview barrier, I don't see how the Eternals have a chance.
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Doe
01/14/22 3:34:12 PM
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Stormbringer Thor solos

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Disengaged
01/14/22 3:40:34 PM
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ranagrande posted...
A mind stone laser to the face would probably provide sufficient disruption. As for the other Eternals, what can they do to him? His phasing ability should nullify most of their offense. Unless Phastos has a way to counter Vision,

She can get them all at once. We've seen the magnitude of her power with Westview, and she's likely even stronger now thanks to the Darkhold.

I haven't been keeping up with Disney shit.

Mcu Wanda has the darkhold now?

Like, get that shit away from her.

Also, yeah, the eternals are fucked. The rest of the avengers can go fuck off to see a movie or some shit.

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dj1200
01/14/22 5:56:36 PM
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I wish the scarlet witch got the infinity stones.

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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 9:51:21 PM
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Scarlett witch is glass canon. Makkari gets behind her one smack and done

Im sure sersi could turn vision into water

Hulk would be an issue
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OudeGeuze
01/14/22 9:57:54 PM
#21:


whatever the script calls for
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 9:58:38 PM
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OudeGeuze posted...
whatever the script calls for

Pretty much this. Spiderman beat up dr strange in strange's dimension
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ViewtifulGrave
01/14/22 10:02:38 PM
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Druig mindrapes everyone and they all gang up on Vision.

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Nukazie
01/14/22 10:03:26 PM
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ragnarok hulk solos

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ZannoL
01/14/22 10:05:11 PM
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Scarlet would be knocked the hell out.
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 10:11:35 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Druig mindrapes everyone and they all gang up on Vision.
Druig is not seen mind controlling aliens, superhumans, people in special armor, people with mental conditioning, etc

So that's unclear. I would actually assume what he does works like a Jedi mind trick, and decreases in effectiveness based on the fortitude of the victim
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 10:19:40 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
Druig is not seen mind controlling aliens, superhumans, people in special armor, people with mental conditioning, etc

So that's unclear. I would actually assume what he does works like a Jedi mind trick, and decreases in effectiveness based on the fortitude of the victim

He claimed he could mind control the whole world. So he is pretty powerful. Thor, cap and tony all showed their minds can be controlled in age of ultron
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 10:28:03 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
He claimed he could mind control the whole world. So he is pretty powerful. Thor, cap and tony all showed their minds can be controlled in age of ultron
Interesting point

Another question is his area of effect. I doubt Druig could just sit there, snap his fingers, and possess the globe from a single spot. In that case, one of Fury's soldiers like Hawkeye or Black Widow could potentially kill him using ranged weaponry or even a bomb.
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 10:30:07 PM
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Also, if I'm not mistaken, his power works via sound frequencies and vibrations. Would it work on, say, Iron Man? Could it be disrupted, etc?
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TMOG
01/14/22 10:45:46 PM
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I think it mostly comes down to whether or not Wanda is powerful enough to block Druig's mind control.

Also, if Tony and Bruce find out that the Eternals are artificial constructs like Vision, they could probably science up some bullshit.
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 10:48:12 PM
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TMOG posted...
I think it mostly comes down to whether or not Wanda is powerful enough to block Druig's mind control.

Also, if Tony and Bruce find out that the Eternals are artificial constructs like Vision, they could probably science up some bullshit.
Also not sure if it would work on Mantis

Ant-Man can shrink to the atomic level

And Spiderman has a sixth sense for danger

Without Vision it gets complicated
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 10:56:47 PM
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TMOG posted...
I think it mostly comes down to whether or not Wanda is powerful enough to block Druig's mind control.

Also, if Tony and Bruce find out that the Eternals are artificial constructs like Vision, they could probably science up some bullshit.

Makkari ran the planet in a minute. Pretty sure she could knock out scarlett before scarlett could react.

Phastos should also be allowed to prepare if tony and bruce are.

I still think Hulk is the biggest hurdle for the eternals but makkari would be a huge issue for the avengers
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:01:05 PM
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Sprite's illusions would also make it a tough & chaotic battle
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:04:08 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
Also not sure if it would work on Mantis

Ant-Man can shrink to the atomic level

And Spiderman has a sixth sense for danger

Without Vision it gets complicated

Spiderman can handle street level/super soldiers but infinity war showed he isn't really a match for cosmic beings ebony maw/thanos were way beyond him
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:07:30 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Spiderman can handle street level/super soldiers but infinity war showed he isn't really a match for cosmic beings ebony maw/thanos were way beyond him
SpiderMan's plan is how they saved Dr Strange.

It's a huge factor. If he senses danger, alerts the Avengers, and they hypothetically escape the radius of the mind control, then that's a game changer
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:28:17 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
SpiderMan's plan is how they saved Dr Strange.

It's a huge factor. If he senses danger, alerts the Avengers, and they hypothetically escape the radius of the mind control, then that's a game changer

I doubt there would be enough time. Druig showed he does the mind control in a second in the camp scene and the flashback
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:29:15 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
I doubt there would be enough time. Druig showed he does the mind control in a second in the camp scene and the flashback
But it is possible, depending on a number of factors
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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:29:16 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
SpiderMan's plan is how they saved Dr Strange.

It's a huge factor. If he senses danger, alerts the Avengers, and they hypothetically escape the radius of the mind control, then that's a game changer

Shot ebony into space. Does everyone get planning time or is everyone thrown into some dragonball z style tournament on an even playing field
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:30:39 PM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Shot ebony into space. Does everyone get planning time or is everyone thrown into some dragonball z style tournament on an even playing field
Exactly

Also, does Cersei have the ability to transfigure living matter? Because that makes her extremely dangerous. She's already dangerous.
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archedsoul
01/14/22 11:32:33 PM
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The Eternals would slaughter most. The only one surviving this is Thor and he'll be left like how Thanos left him. Wanda would also get stomped.

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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:35:03 PM
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archedsoul posted...
The Eternals would slaughter most. The only one surviving this is Thor and he'll be left like how Thanos left him. Wanda would also get stomped.
Eh

Captain Marvel, I think, would kill Ikaris pretty badly for example. If The Eternals have Ajak back, their chances increase by unknowable exponents due to her ability to instantly repair their wounds mid-combat.
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Doe
01/14/22 11:36:41 PM
#42:


Oh shit I forgot about Captain Marvel because she's only avenging in Endgame. Now I'm even more convinced Avengers win.

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archedsoul
01/14/22 11:38:53 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
Eh

Captain Marvel, I think, would kill Ikaris pretty badly for example. If The Eternals have Ajak back, their chances increase by unknowable exponents due to her ability to instantly repair their wounds mid-combat.
TC didn't mention Captain Marvel. She wouldn't be defeated easily, but she would also be left like Thor. Once the other Avengers are out, you're going up at least 8 of the 10 Eternals and one Infinity Stone powered being will not be able to handle that.

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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:39:10 PM
#44:


o yeah with captain marvel avengers win
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lordofmud
01/14/22 11:39:54 PM
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If you go original Avengers I think Eternals win. Thor and Hulk being the only real stoppers but the humans get smoked and then they gang up to deal with the last two.

Once you bring phase 2/3 Avengers in it isn't a contest.

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Blue_Popo
01/14/22 11:42:15 PM
#46:


lordofmud posted...
If you go original Avengers I think Eternals win. Thor and Hulk being the only real stoppers but the humans get smoked and then they gang up to deal with the last two.

Once you bring phase 2/3 Avengers in it isn't a contest.

avengers minus captain marvel, im going eternals
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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:43:12 PM
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archedsoul posted...
TC didn't mention Captain Marvel. She wouldn't be defeated easily, but she would also be left like Thor. Once the other Avengers are out, you're going up at least 8 of the 10 Eternals and one Infinity Stone powered being will not be able to handle that.
We aren't sure what Thor's true level of power is. Every time he is tested, he emerges victorious, no?

I'm convinced only cosmic-level entities like Thanos w/ the Gauntlet were capable of beating Vision
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Doe
01/14/22 11:45:13 PM
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Xethuminra posted...
I'm convinced only cosmic-level entities like Thanos w/ the Gauntlet were capable of beating Vision
he jobbed to wanda telepathy in civil war

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Xethuminra
01/14/22 11:49:16 PM
#49:


Doe posted...


he jobbed to wanda telepathy in civil war
Great example

Scarlet Witch is tongue-in-cheek mysticism mixed with implications of the mutant gene

Which according to the comics stems from the Celestials who originally used the Infinity Stones
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Ratchetrockon
01/14/22 11:51:30 PM
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Eternals win!

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