Poll of the Day > I remember there was something a while back about the best sword?

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hypnox
01/14/22 6:23:03 AM
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Anyone remember what it turned out to be?

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Sarcasthma
01/14/22 6:26:12 AM
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A sword

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hypnox
01/14/22 6:30:54 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
A sword
You sat in the special class room with two other kids growing up didn't you?

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Far-Queue
01/14/22 6:33:17 AM
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My favorite s-word is "succulent"

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Sarcasthma
01/14/22 6:38:51 AM
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The special class room?

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Far-Queue
01/14/22 6:40:06 AM
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He must mean the gifted class because your answer was nothing short of brilliant

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EvilMegas
01/14/22 6:52:21 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
He must mean the gifted class because your answer was nothing short of brilliant


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Sarcasthma
01/14/22 7:34:58 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/xzePMDI.jpg

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Sarcasthma
01/15/22 9:16:39 AM
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Wait wait wait, were you implying that I'm mentally handicapped?

That's a pretty mean thing to insinuate, TC.

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hypnox
01/15/22 11:01:51 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Wait wait wait, were you implying that I'm mentally handicapped?

That's a pretty mean thing to insinuate, TC.

A day later

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Sarcasthma
01/15/22 11:03:38 AM
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So you admit that's what you meant.

You're a fucking meanie.

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Far-Queue
01/15/22 11:41:43 AM
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Wow to think I was duped into thinking it was a compliment I guess there's egg on my face

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Sarcasthma
01/15/22 11:44:04 AM
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Wha...what kind of egg?

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Blightzkrieg
01/15/22 12:42:51 PM
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hypnox posted...
Anyone remember what it turned out to be?
It wasn't a fucking katana I'll tell you that much

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Sarcasthma
01/15/22 12:49:33 PM
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lmao bligh's still angry from when I broke his drone with a frickin' sweet katana I bought online.

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Metalsonic66
01/15/22 1:03:43 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/9/AAFUswAACzyP.png
This one

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Far-Queue
01/15/22 1:23:12 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Wha...what kind of egg?
straight from ur mom's fallopian tubes lmao

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Sarcasthma
01/15/22 6:44:22 PM
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Fallopian? What the fuck does Jimmy Fallon have to do with this?

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Krazy_Kirby
01/15/22 7:54:50 PM
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lightsaber is clearly the answer

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SilentSeph
01/15/22 9:05:33 PM
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hypnox posted...
I remember there was something a while back about the best sword?

Have you tried asking that Dreaming King guy?

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Zeus
01/15/22 9:48:38 PM
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There is no "best sword." They tend to be specialized for various functions. However, if you had to pick something, a European arming sword (overlooking the variation) probably has the best balance since it's of a good length, can be used one or two-handed, easy to carry, and is reasonably good both at cutting and giving point.

https://medievalbritain.com/type/medieval-life/weapons/medieval-arming-sword/


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Soup_or_Science
01/15/22 10:09:09 PM
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Fuck it. This is the best sword
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/8/AAeRQ2AACz6M.png
You... uh.... hold it by the lowercase B. and it's.... a longsword

with a short blade

so you kind of just poke people with it I guess

but it's the best sword

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Kyuubi4269
01/15/22 10:11:46 PM
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Man's got a shank for his post code.

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Soup_or_Science
01/15/22 10:12:58 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Man's got a shank for his post code.
Whatever this means, reading it made me nervous

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NeoSioType
01/15/22 10:23:57 PM
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The best sword is something top-heavy like... an axe.
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DragonClaw01
01/15/22 10:35:24 PM
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Probably a rapier. I generally want to keep distance from my opponent in an fight & the rapier has both range and speed. Plus stabs are easier to initiate & harder to defend than cutting motions. There is pretty much a reason it was the go to sword since its invention.

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Revelation34
01/16/22 4:28:01 AM
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NeoSioType posted...
The best sword is something top-heavy like... an axe.


An axe isn't a sword.

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Zeus
01/16/22 5:02:57 AM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
I generally want to keep distance from my opponent in an fight & the rapier has both range

I mean, it's not longer than a lot of other swords?

DragonClaw01 posted...
and speed.

Somewhat debatable? That more comes down to the wielder's strength and expertise.

DragonClaw01 posted...
Plus stabs are easier to initiate & harder to defend than cutting motions.

It depends? More importantly, there are a LOT of other concerns with swordsmanship.

DragonClaw01 posted...
There is pretty much a reason it was the go to sword since its invention.

Ah, no, quite a few things wrong there. First, the rapier has not been the "go-to sword" since its invention. The saber was far more popular on the battlefield than the rapier, and the rapier fell out of practical use sooner than the saber (and variations of the saber). The saber was in use up until... well, I mean technically sabers are STILL used today, but they functionally fell out of use between WWI and WWII. And the rapier never caught on at all in some cultures.

Second, its popularity has less to do with the fact it's a good sword -- although it is a good sword -- than it does with changing social trends and the use of guns.

That said, for a 1v1 duel against a single, unarmored opponent, it's a very practical choice. For general function, you'd probably want a more balanced sword.

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DragonClaw01
01/16/22 1:20:07 PM
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Well, the saber was used on the battlefield more than the rapier because it could be used from horse back easier. You aren't going to be using a rapier on horseback. The rapier was a popular sidearm for infantry before gunpowder & extremely popular for civilian use.

The rapier is extremely long range for a one handed sword. Probably the longest one handed sword you are going to find. Actually, makes it a bit difficult to wield without proper training, since it is pretty heavy and you tend to hold it in front of you instead of close to your body.

The rapier is almost purely a trusting weapon, so there is very few other concerns. You can cut a person with it, but it won't lop off a limb like say a long sword would. Although, I am preferential to the trust since you can keep your distance and be in less danger compared to a chopping weapon where you have to close the distance & may die doing so. There is nothing wrong with having one attack mode. The spear is in a similar situation and is quite strong.

Saber is a pretty good balanced weapon I will agree with that. I could understand why some may prefer it, but I still would want the extra reach for a dual like situation.


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Zeus
01/17/22 9:24:34 PM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
Well, the saber was used on the battlefield more than the rapier because it could be used from horse back easier. You aren't going to be using a rapier on horseback. The rapier was a popular sidearm for infantry before gunpowder & extremely popular for civilian use.

Even without a horse, a slashing weapon makes more sense on a battlefield. A weapon is more likely to get stuck on a thrust, which was also an occasional issue with bayonets. (Not that it ever discouraged spear use, but spears are stupidly OP as far as melee weapons go.)


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DragonClaw01
01/17/22 10:59:58 PM
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I greatly disagree with this logic. If anything, thrust makes more sense on a battlefield due to the close quarters nature of combat. It is hard to do much more than an overhand chop in a formation and even then that is kind of dangerous unless you are using some type of polearm like a halberd or something. That is why most infantry weapons were spears or thrusting swords such as gladius. It allows for a really tight formation that is hard to defeat, well at least until guns entered the picture. Plus it makes the combat much more linear so it is easier to land your thrusts. A circling opponent will be harder to land up line up a good thrust with.

Rapiers were popular on the battlefield until the bayonet came into existence. Napoleons musketeers where equipped with rapiers for instance and the swiss guard still carry rapiers today. It wasn't exactly uncommon on the battlefield

Some of it is cultural though. Mainland Europe had a disposition towards rapiers, whereas the English despised them and preferred cutting swords, so you will have authors such as George Silver that loathed the thing and will rant and rave about its weaknesses.


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Mad_Max
01/26/22 12:04:05 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Fallopian? What the fuck does Jimmy Fallon have to do with this?
I heard your mom was a fan and kept a lock of his hair in a tube that he gave her after she made him breakfast

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dedbus
01/26/22 12:21:08 PM
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It was the FF Gunblade .
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Zeus
01/26/22 2:04:08 PM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
I greatly disagree with this logic. If anything, thrust makes more sense on a battlefield due to the close quarters nature of combat. It is hard to do much more than an overhand chop in a formation and even then that is kind of dangerous unless you are using some type of polearm like a halberd or something. That is why most infantry weapons were spears or thrusting swords such as gladius. It allows for a really tight formation that is hard to defeat, well at least until guns entered the picture. Plus it makes the combat much more linear so it is easier to land your thrusts. A circling opponent will be harder to land up line up a good thrust with.

...you're talking about "the close quarters nature of combat" then bringing up spears, which makes zero sense. Then you're citing far-earlier weapon use (prior to the rapier's invention -- the gladius (which, by the way, is ALSO a slashing sword and was often a back-up weapon) only predates the rapier by thousands of years -- and scenarios like formation fighting where, afaik, the rapier was never used (nor would it be used, because it's not a great battlefield weapon given the obvious issues with a long thin blade -- I mean, seriously, look at those other penetrating weapon you cited: spears had a relatively short blade, the gladius has a short (wide) blade, and bayonets are a short blade -- among other reasons, over-penetration was an issue and there was a benefit tot causing a larger wound).

DragonClaw01 posted...
Rapiers were popular on the battlefield until the bayonet came into existence. Napoleons musketeers where equipped with rapiers for instance and the swiss guard still carry rapiers today. It wasn't exactly uncommon on the battlefield

Uh....?

https://www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/infantry_tactics_2.htm

Napoleon's musketeers used sabers, not rapiers. And Napoleon's forces had bayonets. When you made both claims, I was scratching my head because I've never heard that claimed nor seen it depicted in historical fiction.

DragonClaw01 posted...
Mainland Europe had a disposition towards rapiers,

Offhand, I can't think of one nation that favored them over sabers as a battlefield weapon, but it might have been a lesser player.

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DragonClaw01
01/27/22 11:05:01 PM
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The gladius was almost purely used to thrust. Behind the large shield it was almost impossible to predict the trajectory and your defense was really strong. I gave the example of multiple thrusting weapons to show that thrust tends to be the preferred mode of attack on the battlefield, since you can't exactly swing a huge sword around in formation. Although, I am primarily thinking of a dual situation when I am saying the rapier is the superior weapon.

Yeah, the Napoleon example wasn't a good example because they had bayonets, so swords were pretty much useless anyways, but in the musket and pike era it wasn't too uncommon for musketeers to carry rapiers. Hence, the tale of the three musketeers & thier use of the weapon. The small sword, a shorter thrusting weapon was still pretty popular even in the bayonet era though. It just was that you weren't going to carry a large sword with you when you had the equivalent of spear anyways, so if you were to carry a sword you would want a smaller easy to carry weapon.

The rapier was an insanely popular weapon in its heyday. Whole schools of fencing developed around the use of the weapon all around Europe & even today its descendent the small sword is widely studied. Denying its popularity seems silly.

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Krazy_Kirby
01/27/22 11:40:38 PM
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dual =/= duel

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Sarcasthma
01/28/22 3:11:40 AM
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Mad_Max posted...
I heard your mom was a fan and kept a lock of his hair in a tube that he gave her after she made him breakfast
Nah that was me

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Revelation34
01/28/22 4:33:59 AM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
The gladius was almost purely used to thrust. Behind the large shield it was almost impossible to predict the trajectory and your defense was really strong. I gave the example of multiple thrusting weapons to show that thrust tends to be the preferred mode of attack on the battlefield, since you can't exactly swing a huge sword around in formation. Although, I am primarily thinking of a dual situation when I am saying the rapier is the superior weapon.

Yeah, the Napoleon example wasn't a good example because they had bayonets, so swords were pretty much useless anyways, but in the musket and pike era it wasn't too uncommon for musketeers to carry rapiers. Hence, the tale of the three musketeers & thier use of the weapon. The small sword, a shorter thrusting weapon was still pretty popular even in the bayonet era though. It just was that you weren't going to carry a large sword with you when you had the equivalent of spear anyways, so if you were to carry a sword you would want a smaller easy to carry weapon.

The rapier was an insanely popular weapon in its heyday. Whole schools of fencing developed around the use of the weapon all around Europe & even today its descendent the small sword is widely studied. Denying its popularity seems silly.


Your mom got multiple thrusting weapons the other night.

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