Poll of the Day > Supreme Court blocks Biden's Covid vaccine and testing mandates.

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I've come to accept that he probably isn't. As much as there are many similarities between their posting styles, specific ignorances, and refusals to accept facts, such that I initially believed him to be an alt, there are enough differences that I can believe they are in fact separate people.

LinkPizza posted...

According to the article from the CDC online, it actually says it's help to prevent getting the virus, though. So, it sounds like you're certain cherry picking information... And the article is constantly updating. The last time being Jan. 11, 2022...

It is not from the CDC website. It's a quote from the CDC director when she was on with CNN's Wolf Blitzer discussing what the vaccine can (limit the severity of symptoms) and can't do (prevent transmission).

adjl posted...

I've come to accept that he probably isn't. As much as there are many similarities between their posting styles, specific ignorances, and refusals to accept facts, such that I initially believed him to be an alt, there are enough differences that I can believe they are in fact separate people.

Yeah . I think they might be different people. They could also just be throwing us off their trail... But I think they are different people...

BEERandWEED posted...

It is not from the CDC website. It's a quote from the CDC director when she was on with CNN's Wolf Blitzer discussing what the vaccine can (limit the severity of symptoms) and can't do (prevent transmission).

I know what you said isn't from the CDC. I said what I found from the CDC online was different. Which I believe... Especially over one guy saying something different. Not only that, but according to other people, you guys seem to be taking that one quote out of context, anyway...

BEERandWEED posted...

It is not from the CDC website. It's a quote from the CDC director when she was on with CNN's Wolf Blitzer discussing what the vaccine can (limit the severity of symptoms) and can't do (prevent transmission).

Which you continue to present without context. Are you afraid that context will make you seem wrong?

Unsurprising, and equally unsurprising the bullshit reasoning behind it. There are loads of examples of laws and rules from the past being applied to modern issues that could never have been predicted (1st Amendment protecting speech online, for example), so claiming that the 1970 OSHA law is null in this case is a load. But this is to be expected of a conservative court that never pretends to be logically consistent.

The upside and irony is, the only people suffering from Covid now are the unvaxxed, who are overwhelmingly on the Right, so the Right amusingly helping kill off their own gets to continue.

kind9 posted...

And how do you justify this belief? Based upon other personal beliefs no doubt. Are you actually claiming that there's an international conspiracy of "people in power" who want to keep covid going as long as possible? Is that the theory you come up with when you apply Occam's razor? Are you sure anti-vaxxers aren't the ones who want covid to last forever? Because vaccines have completely eradicated some diseases off the face of the planet only for stupid ass anti-vaxxers to bring them back.

Based on all of human history. It's a pretty solid trend. When you yield power to a government they almost never relinquish it. If you want an example. Just look at the fact they're still renewing the Patriot Act and the MDAA 20 years after 9/11.

Ozmose posted...

How does nobody see that it's never going to end, because the people in power don't want it to. Just look at France. They have a roughly 90% vaccination rate. So what's the obvious next step? Why more restrictions of course! People need to stop and reflect on the kind of world they're creating. Everyone is rushing to an Orwellian dystopia with open arms. It reminds me of the same group hysteria everyone whipped themselves into after 9/11. Oh no! Keep me safe! There's terrorists around every corner!

First off, France's fully vaxxed rate is 75% - still very good, but not 90% - only 2 countries can boast that (UAE and Portugal).

2ndly, your premise "more restrictions = good for the government" instantly falls apart when you realize this is a *net drain* for France, as they have to dumb more resources and personnel into the issue, and restrictions on work times and hours decreases their tax revenue, making the government weaker, not stronger. You'd have a point if they were using Covid as an excuse to, say, install cameras inside everyone's home, but since nothing at all like that is occurring, the Orwellian claim is pointless fearmongering.

It's why Libertarians are the one group worse than Republicans as thinking *any* government actions is inherently evil is a crock.

Ozmose posted...

Based on all of human history. It's a pretty solid trend. When you yield power to a government they almost never relinquish it. If you want an example. Just look at the fact they're still renewing the Patriot Act and the MDAA 20 years after 9/11.

And yet the same government set up a system of turn limits, limited the way they can increase their own pay, and set up a voluntary transfer of power. Thus, the conclusion that all government must end in Authoritarianism is false.

Not that this doesn't mean there are plenty of areas of abuse, of course. But finding, rolling back, and preventing such actions is actual meaningful. Handwaving it is lazy and useless.

The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission but it does reduce it

Metalsonic66 posted...

The vaccine doesn't prevent transmission but it does reduce it

correct - it's like having a Ring of Fire Resistance that grants 95% fire damage reduction... don't fucking land on the SUN with it

MagicalPrincess posted...

It's completely unconstitutional and illegal to force it anyway.

Did you go to a public (elementary, middle or high) school in the USA?

papercup posted...

I feel like the anti vaxx should be rounded up as dumped on some island somewhere that way the rest of us can get back to our lives already.

I've felt that way for several years now.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

if you prioritize health over freedom, then you should be for banning alcohol, tobacco, fast food, cars, guns, etc.

I'm all for banning tobacco and guns. The other stuff isn't inherently poisonous or lethal.