Current Events > Now some time has passed. How do you feel about the whole gay cake thing?

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Smackems posted...

Still don't care

buckbuckbuckbuck

just go to a baker that makes gay cakes there's thousands

Spiderman23JII posted...

just go to a baker that makes gay cakes there's thousands

Just make the cake.

Horrorbooksguy posted...

Just make the cake.

or miss out on the funds, I feel like this creates a small market for other bakers to thrive in. I would have a sign that says "we make gay cakes"

And what about a Steak House, should they have to serve gay couples?

What about a tuxedo-maker, should they have to make tuxedos for a same-sex couple?

What about landlords, should they be able to refuse rent to queer tenants?

Robot2600 posted...

And what about a Steak House, should they have to serve gay couples?

What about a tuxedo-maker, should they have to make tuxedos for a same-sex couple?

What about landlords, should they be able to refuse rent to queer tenants?

Yes, theres no art or speech involved in that process.

Yes. You are presumably picking a design from a set of options theyd present. So the part that is art or speech is not affected by the client being gay.

No. Being queer doesnt affect how good or bad of a tenant that person would be.

eston posted...

First it was "weddings are stupid and wasteful and the wedding industry needs to die" then it was "taking loans for frivolous things is stupid" and now it's whatever this is. I really have no idea what you're on about dude

It isn't hard to follow. I'm making multiple points. None of them contradict each other. What is so difficult for you to understand? The wedding industry sucks.

UnfairRepresent posted...

buckbuckbuckbuck

I... What are you doing to me

Ruvan22 posted...

Are you saying that as queer person, what you find important is what all queer people should find important?

No you don't have to be queer to say it. This argument absolutely works both ways. A cake is a weird hill to die on or fight on for that matter. A wedding cake is a small part of a ceremony that is a small part of a marriage.

I'm.not saying it is right to refuse a cake for a gay wedding, but it is still just a cake. Cakes are cakes. They're not equal rights. The rights afforded to gay couples are significantly more important than a stupid cake.

UnfairRepresent posted...

OK but y tho

You're not elaborating on your opinions

there have been dozens of cases

There was an initial case that got a ton of headlines then a bunch of other cases that didn't get nearly the same traction.

Eventually it looked like gay couples were actively seeking out homophobic bakeries to bait into a lawsuit.

Bakeries are still stupid regardless, but I'm not gonna have all this sympathy for gay couples who are obviously phishing for a lawsuit.

monkmith posted...

a shit business that deserved to have its reputation dragged through the mud, wasn't illegal though. companies have the right to refuse service, if you hate that just remember that the same right got this asshole off twitter.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

Yup.

As a queer person, I think that businesses discriminating against me because Im queer is a bad thing, but I understand that tommy and I disagree on this point

Smackems posted...

I... What are you doing to me

They are throwing money at you! Grab those bucks!

jk

TommyG663513 posted...

There was an initial case that got a ton of headlines then a bunch of other cases that didn't get nearly the same traction.

Eventually it looked like gay couples were actively seeking out homophobic bakeries to bait into a lawsuit.

Bakeries are still stupid regardless, but I'm not gonna have all this sympathy for gay couples who are obviously phishing for a lawsuit.

No I mean why is there a distiction between a baker who makes wedding cakes but won't make one for a gay guy's wedding.

And a baker who makes wedding cakes but won't make one for a gay guy's wedding but will serve a gay guy for a plain cake.

You're claiming it's clear cut not discrimination even though it's discrimintory without elaboration

UnfairRepresent posted...

No I mean why is there a distiction between a baker who makes wedding cakes but won't make one for a gay guy's wedding.

And a baker who makes wedding cakes but won't make one for a gay guy's wedding but will serve a gay guy for a plain cake.

You're claiming it's clear cut not discrimination even though it's discrimintory without elaboration

No I never said it is clear cut discrimination.

I just said there is a difference between refusing a person and refusing an event.

I still disapprove what the bakers did, but don't think it is worth all that much outrage. Nothing wrong with choosing to never deal with that business as a customer though.

Idk, seems very bigoted. I guess they do have the right, like they also have the right to not want to make a cake with a black groom/bride on top, but it's still super fucked up.

Also, why wouldn't you want the money? If they aren't paying you, they are gonna pay someone else, just seems logical to suck it up.

I think the argument can be made that cakes are an art form, and one shouldn't expect an artist to create a piece that runs contrary to their beliefs.

I do think they should have just baked the fucking cake and not made a big deal about it, because honestly there's no good reason to be opposed to same sex marriage... but I do see the value in letting artists/creators/etc. have control over the subject matter of things they might be hired to do.

Businesses have a right to refuse services to anyone.

That is a very loaded poll.
Businesses should have the right to refuse to serve customers, but if it's outright discrimination then they should be sued.

MasterVading posted...

Businesses have a right to refuse services to anyone.

Would you be cool with a business refusing to serve black people?

MasterVading posted...

Businesses have a right to refuse services to anyone.

No they don't.

MasterVading posted...

Businesses have a right to refuse services to anyone.

False.

MasterVading posted...

Businesses have a right to refuse services to anyone.

Only if theyre private (a club) which very very few businesses are.

Horrorbooksguy posted...

No they don't.

TheOtherMike posted...

False.

Yes, they can; https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/29/us/when-businesses-can-deny-you-service-trnd/index.html

008Zulu posted...

Yes, they can; https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/29/us/when-businesses-can-deny-you-service-trnd/index.html

From your link:

Under American law, a business owner has the right to refuse service to some customers. But federal and a lot of state laws say you can't discriminate against customers based on factors such as race, religion, sex or national origin

So, as a point of fact, businesses do not have the right to refuse service to anyone.

TheOtherMike posted...

From your link:

So, as a point of fact, businesses do not have the right to refuse service to anyone.

What?

You can refuse service to individuals.

You cannot refuse service to individuals on the basis of their status as members of certain protected groups.

If a business finds a customer rude or disrespectful then they have every right to refuse service. Bars, for example, kick people out all the time.

Can twitter ban whomever they like from their platform?

TommyG663513 posted...

What?

You can refuse service to individuals.

You cannot refuse service to individuals on the basis of their status as members of certain protected groups.

If a business finds a customer rude or disrespectful then they have every right to refuse service. Bars, for example, kick people out all the time.

What part of this do you think disputes anything I've said itt? I suggest you review the quote chain back to the original claim I correctly stated was false.

Extremely stupid of the business

Anything after the first situation is almost harassment if people know of this place and their refusals but go to them anyway

TheOtherMike posted...

So, as a point of fact, businesses do not have the right to refuse service to anyone.

Because that's not refusal of service, that's discrimination.

My opinion isn't important.

008Zulu posted...

Because that's not refusal of service, that's discrimination.

Oh, so you're just arguing semantics. And you're still wrong. Again, read the quote from the article you linked.

Religious nuts, much less CHRISTIANS, should not own businesses.

TheOtherMike posted...

Oh, so you're just arguing semantics. And you're still wrong. Again, read the quote from the article you linked.

There is a difference between refusing to serve someone not wearing pants, and because someone is gay.

008Zulu posted...

There is a difference between refusing to serve someone not wearing pants, and because someone is gay.

My point exactly. How are you not getting this? You can refuse service to some people in some situations. You cannot refuse service to just anyone you want for any reason you want. It has to be within the boundaries of the law.

Shops should be required to sell the cake itself but should not be forced to decorate it in a way that they do not want to.

Can't a bakery refuse to commission a cake based off of the imagery or message? Like if it's of a Swastika or Satanic imagery?

I think you should just make the cake.

mo is winning

nfearurspecimn posted...

Can't a bakery refuse to commission a cake based off of the imagery or message? Like if it's of a Swastika or Satanic imagery?

Sure. You can't force a bakery to make a cake they don't sell.

The problem I have is when they specifically refuse to make the same cake they'd make for a straight couple. That's discrimination.

I feel a business has a right to refuse business. Also feel any loss of business due to that is their own fault.

I as a bisexual man wouldn't want to buy a cake from a bigot anyways.

With that said that sentiment only applies to privately owned places or mom and pop type places. Somewhere like Walmart shouldn't do such things.

I think maybe it boils down to me too that cake making is kind of an art (when it comes to specialized cakes like for weddings) and I feel it's fucked up to make an artist create art they don't want to. If they wanna miss out on business then fuck em

TheOtherMike posted...

What part of this do you think disputes anything I've said itt? I suggest you review the quote chain back to the original claim I correctly stated was false.

You said businesses do not have the right to refuse service to anyone which is incorrect.

TommyG663513 posted...

You said businesses do not have the right to refuse service to anyone which is incorrect.

No, it's correct, and I invite you to demonstrate otherwise.

Businesses have the right to refuse service to people except when that refusal is based on a protected status. Having the ability to refuse service to specific people in specific situations =/= having the ability to refuse service to "anyone."

TheOtherMike posted...

No, it's correct, and I invite you to demonstrate otherwise.

Businesses have the right to refuse service to people except when that refusal is based on a protected status. Having the ability to refuse service to specific people in specific situations =/= having the ability to refuse service to "anyone."

You did not at all say that in your original post which is what I quoted and called you out on. Stop pretending this was something you said before.

Businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason EXCEPT on the basis of that person belonging to a protected group

TommyG663513 posted...

You did not at all say that in your original post which is what I quoted and called you out on. Stop pretending this was something you said before.

You're high. The post you quoted (which was not my original post, but whatever) is post 75. Review it. It absolutely includes the distinction you claim it doesn't because I literally quoted it from the article Zulu linked. Learn to read and follow the conversation if you're going to interject.

TheOtherMike posted...

You're high. The post you quoted (which was not my original post, but whatever) is post 75. Review it. It absolutely includes the distinction you claim it doesn't because I literally quoted it from the article Zulu linked. Learn to read and follow the conversation if you're going to interject.

If you said it in another post and didn't mention it until now when I kept referencing the quoted post then you need to put down the blunt

TommyG663513 posted...

If you said it in another post and didn't mention it until now when I kept referencing the quoted post then you need to put down the blunt

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Here's a direct link to my post. The first one you quoted. Your first interaction with me itt was a reply to this post.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79851584/961749008

Here is a quote of the text from my post that you say isn't there.

Under American law, a business owner has the right to refuse service to some customers. But federal and a lot of state laws say you can't discriminate against customers based on factors such as race, religion, sex or national origin

Learn. To. Read. @TommyG663513

TheOtherMike posted...

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

Here's a direct link to my post. The first one you quoted. Your first interaction with me itt was a reply to this post.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79851584/961749008

Here is a quote of the text from my post that you say isn't there.

Learn. To. Read. @TommyG663513

Ok so you never actually read my post then

Good luck in life with awful reading comprehension

They run a wedding cake business, they make the cake. If they don't like putting two dudes or two chicks on it, they're in the wrong business. It's not their right to judge and refuse, unless the clients are being unruly asshats for no good reason.