Board 8 > JRPG characters you always use even if they aren't great.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/13/22 12:38:17 AM
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Playing FFT for the umpteenth time, and I'll be damned if I ever remove Agrias from the party even if she's just shitty Orlandu.

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TheRock1525
01/13/22 12:56:51 AM
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Any jrpg character I use is great by default since I'm using them.

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agesboy
01/13/22 1:15:44 AM
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Patty in Vesperia. I mean, she IS great, but only either when directly controlled or when severely limiting her ability choices. I don't care I let her go wild if I feel like playing anyone else
Malik in Graces. Yeah he's just outright kind of bad but I think the artillery playstyle is neat
Olivier in every Trails game he's available in
Noire in every Neptunia game
In Xenoblade Chronicles, Dunban never ever left my party once I figured out the joys of naked tanking

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Zigzagoon
01/13/22 1:17:09 AM
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Pretty much any animal character since they usually make them one note or weaker than the other characters.

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Hbthebattle
01/13/22 1:26:40 AM
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agesboy posted...
Olivier in every Trails game he's available in

Olivier is arguably one of the better party members in most games he's available in. Basically unrestricted single arts lines are no joke.

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Strife2
01/13/22 1:37:03 AM
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Celes because her tech is situational at best and Terra's is OP as fuck. Celes's story is so freaking good in FF6, I can't not use her.

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Grand Kirby
01/13/22 1:48:51 AM
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Maribel in Dragon Quest VII. She's terrible, but her party talk is pretty funny.

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Isquen
01/13/22 2:29:45 AM
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Hmm...

From Final Fantasy:
4 - Edward (in games where he's allowed.) He goes from "literally spawned video game Bard tropes" to "fuck your undead, fuck your dragons, fuck my party's white mages."
6 - Gau. Experimenting with other rages is "fun."
9 - Freya. Not the WORST party member (Eiko, I'm glaring at you) but in the bottom 4, despite having access to a guaranteed 9999.
10 - Kimahri. I typically just build him like a speedier Auron by double-dipping in Auron and Rikku's grids and... well, it's favoritism, but it just works until you get to the levels where Yuna is benchpressing everything with 9 healthbars, and by then literally everyone else is busted too.
13: Vanille. I just love the fact they made "debuffer" a core role in the game and I wish more FFs would do it, and she is basically the best one of your group. Also, she's not as inherently hateable as some of the other dickheads in your party (Hope... Snow...)
Tactics: Rafa. Caused me so many game overs, but I still did.

Fire Emblem:
Sacred Stones: Amelia. Yes, it is favoritism. No, it isn't wrong. (Then again, the only character in this game I *haven't* succeeded with after babying was Knoll, his luck is just... so bad. SO bad.)
Path of Radiance: Mist. A Mist that manages to get Strength is just... just beautiful, even if her promotion comes so late. Likewise, Rolf, who transfer-saved and literally soloed most of the endgame in Radiant Dawn.
Radiant Dawn: Meg. She is SO BAD that I can't help but feel sorry for her and make her useful as she sprouts her Pegasus wings in her fat armor. (She's still better than Fiona, who not even Paragon can save.)
Fates (Conquest): Nyx. Caused me more resets than any other unit.

Persona 4: Chie. Kinda bleeds over into Arena and/or Blazblue x Tag Battle where I pair her with Akihiko and have them do a punchy party.
Persona 5 (not Royal, where he got better:) Yusuke. That might've been because I was a bit leery of half of the rest of the early team, honestly. If I could've feasibly run the full game Joker/Yusuke/Makoto/Ryuji and benched the others, I'd have been all for it.

I'm struggling to think of other JRPGs I've played (without interchangeable characters or solo characters) and I'm really struggling. I guess Tales of Symphonia, I used Presea and Sheena a lot, while I let Regal's AI carry me to victory?


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DireKrow
01/13/22 2:49:02 AM
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In JRPGs where you can only use a subset of the full party at any given time, I will usually rotate what party members I'm using constantly so that I end up using everyone pretty much equally. Even if I like certain ones more, they get no favoritism - I prefer the variety and 'sense' that everyone in the team is actually involved in the gameplay as well as the story.
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RyoCaliente
01/13/22 3:08:40 AM
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Isquen posted...
Sacred Stones: Amelia. Yes, it is favoritism. No, it isn't wrong. (Then again, the only character in this game I *haven't* succeeded with after babying was Knoll, his luck is just... so bad. SO bad.)
Path of Radiance: Mist. A Mist that manages to get Strength is just... just beautiful, even if her promotion comes so late. Likewise, Rolf, who transfer-saved and literally soloed most of the endgame in Radiant Dawn.


All the character mentioned here are great though! Sure, Amelia and Mist require some work but they can be the best General and healer you have access to.

Rolf requires a bit of luck, like in my playthrough when he was Def blessed and could tank pretty much everything, which is real funny.

Also Kimahri 4 life!

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agesboy
01/13/22 3:34:52 AM
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RyoCaliente posted...
All the character mentioned here are great though! Sure, Amelia and Mist require some work but they can be the best General and healer you have access to.
given enough work, everyone can become OP in sacred stones, so i dunno why everyone loves to tediously grind up amelia for bad growths that counters out her trainee status

also generals are bad, just get more paladins because movement is god

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bryans7
01/13/22 3:37:22 AM
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The most healie-healer their is.

Usually there's some hybrid dmg/healer that's better but I don't care.

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Raka_Putra
01/13/22 4:51:19 AM
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No one comes to mind yet.

I guess Anastasia from Radiata Stories, but I've only played through the game twice.

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MZero
01/13/22 5:35:09 AM
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I use Snow as leader in FFXIII whenever possible, which I don't think is ideal
Yusuke in Persona 5 apparently isn't very good but always in my party

There's probably a lot more because I always just use who I like and don't pay much attention to who's actually good

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Steiner
01/13/22 5:47:52 AM
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I always level the full party equally in FFX even though there's no situation even in the deepest endgame where I'm going to use Kimahri

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Strife2
01/13/22 6:03:56 AM
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How is Chie not great? She kicks things into space. Then she brings forth the hand of God.

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Zylothewolf
01/13/22 6:14:10 AM
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Tifa and Celes were the first two I thought of.

Zelos instead of Raine is pretty bad.

Kiwi in Shining Force 2 is another perfect example. He has no weapon and the worst HP by far, but he sure can tank and thats why I love him.

Not sure how the ranking in Persona goes but Im sure I will always use Yukari and Kanji.

Oh and usually pick the hot lady in my team, no matter if there are better options or not. >_>

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Steiner
01/13/22 6:25:09 AM
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Zylothewolf posted...
Tifa and Celes were the first two I thought of.

why would you think of tifa, the best and strongest and most capable of dealing damage character in ff7 and remake?

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SugarFlakes
01/13/22 7:29:24 AM
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Star Ocean the Last Hope: Faize. Hes my favorite character in the game so, yeah.

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn: Leonardo

Persona 5: Yusuke

Final Fantasy XIII: Hope


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ZeeksFire
01/13/22 7:30:49 AM
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Always liked Kiwi (mascot) from Shinining force 2. Eventually became worthwhile. better than yogurt
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swordz9
01/13/22 7:40:12 AM
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Im not sure. I always use characters I like and never really felt like any were terrible I think.
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Lopen
01/13/22 8:32:04 AM
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Zamza never leaves my party in Suikoden 2

He's not terrible but I wouldn't call him a very strong character. He really needs a head rune. It sucks that you can't give him both a fire seal so his Shinryuken doesn't hurt him and a magic rune to put his good magic stat to use.

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Leonhart4
01/13/22 8:46:45 AM
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I don't ever pick my party in terms of who's good in battle.

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Steiner
01/13/22 8:59:41 AM
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Steiner posted...
why would you think of tifa, the best and strongest and most capable of dealing damage character in ff7 and remake?

btw to elaborate on this - the biggest factor here is tifa's limit breaks hit multiple times through the whole game, most of which are at full strength or much stronger than a usual attack - as opposed to the other multi hit limit breaks which are all weaker hits anyway. by the time the rest of your party has caught up in terms of limit breaks, you're pretty close to God Hand which for the rest of the game lets her Deathblow unimpeded. The effect is most pronounced right around the point of the game where you start to hit damage cap - frequently for me, I hit my first 9999 with a climhazard on the big icicles in great glazier, where at the same level Tifa is doing 5-6 hits of around 5k - meaning she's always stronger even if you fuck up a few inputs

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BlueCrystalTear
01/13/22 9:25:04 AM
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...Tifa is not an acceptable answer to this. She's one of the best.

DireKrow posted...
In JRPGs where you can only use a subset of the full party at any given time, I will usually rotate what party members I'm using constantly so that I end up using everyone pretty much equally. Even if I like certain ones more, they get no favoritism - I prefer the variety and 'sense' that everyone in the team is actually involved in the gameplay as well as the story.

I do some semblance of this, however I tend to exclude a character or two depending on the size of the party. If it's a four-character battle system, I keep it at six. If it's three characters, I will only use five. This keeps variety and the sense of a team without feeling like a chore. This is one reason I like games that limit the number of playable characters reasonably. Tales of Symphonia has eight, which is a lot, but my answer to the question would probably be Sheena (I usually use Lloyd + Sheena + Raine + Zelos). Symphonia has that crap spell canceling though.

Sometimes it's the weakest who gets benched (like the kitty in Persona 5) but other times it's just someone with too situational of a moveset. Depends on the game.

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GANON1025
01/13/22 9:25:29 AM
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Regal in ToS

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Lopen
01/13/22 9:38:41 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
I don't ever pick my party in terms of who's good in battle.

For the record I don't either but truly bad rpg characters are kinda rare too

Like even Zamza isn't that bad but he's the weakest one I can think of that I use religiously

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hombad46
01/13/22 9:39:40 AM
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My starter with the bad nature it inevitably has

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Leonhart4
01/13/22 9:48:08 AM
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Lopen posted...
For the record I don't either but truly bad rpg characters are kinda rare too

Like even Zamza isn't that bad but he's the weakest one I can think of that I use religiously

This is true. It's hard to find a JRPG character who is truly unusable.

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Mac Arrowny
01/13/22 10:10:35 AM
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Pokemon is a good example for the more unusable ones. It's hard for new players to make it through the game without evolving their Pokemon.

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Leonhart4
01/13/22 10:11:52 AM
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Well, that's a design choice. Pokemon wants to make base level Pokemon obsolete to give you incentive to choose to evolve.

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NBIceman
01/13/22 10:14:33 AM
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RyoCaliente posted...
All the character mentioned here are great though! Sure, Amelia and Mist require some work but they can be the best General and healer you have access to.

Rolf requires a bit of luck, like in my playthrough when he was Def blessed and could tank pretty much everything, which is real funny.
"Bad" is a bit of a relative term in PoR when bonus experience exists but Mist and Rolf undoubtedly make for less worthwhile investments than most other characters in that game. Mounted healing basically makes Mist the most useful healer in the game by default anyway considering Elincia joins so late, but it's not like her magic growth or staff rank is ever going to challenge Rhys.

Rolf, on the other hand, is really never good. PoR is just too focused on the enemy phase for there to be any point to archers.


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Mega Mana
01/13/22 10:18:33 AM
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DireKrow posted...
In JRPGs where you can only use a subset of the full party at any given time, I will usually rotate what party members I'm using constantly so that I end up using everyone pretty much equally. Even if I like certain ones more, they get no favoritism - I prefer the variety and 'sense' that everyone in the team is actually involved in the gameplay as well as the story.

This. If a game has an overabundance of characters to play with (Suikoden, Chrono Cross, Valkyria Chronicles), I get so mired down by wanting to collect and play as them all that I fall away not long after the pool becomes so wideml

Though Fire Emblem is a mild exception. I still have the indecisions on who to put into the party when it comes time, but with permadeath, RNG level-ups, experience dips from overlevelling, and relationship growth, it's a lot more of its own game who to choose to field and than who do I leave out. Also, Nephenee on all teams always.

Thinking about other games... if there's only one character with a steal ability, that character is never leaving the party. But specifically..

Traditional JRPGs:
Hawk (Trials of Mana)
Fie (Trails of Cold Steel)
Rita (Vesperia)
Sten (Breath of Fire II)
Yamcha (DBZ Attack of the Saiyans)

W/ARPGs
Rheda (Aidyn Chronicles)
Marina Wulfstan (Valkyria Chronicles)
Iceman (X-Men Legends)

[Twenty Minutes Later...]

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Oh, right, this is about characters who aren't necessarily great, not just people you don't take out of your party.

WELP

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Mac Arrowny
01/13/22 10:21:55 AM
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Leonhart4 posted...
Well, that's a design choice. Pokemon wants to make base level Pokemon obsolete to give you incentive to choose to evolve.

Yup, that's what I was saying.

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Alanna82
01/13/22 10:46:13 AM
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Nina in breath of fire 3
Maribel in Dragon quest 7 (though I don't consider her bad, she was already mentioned here.)
Rafa in FFT (not Malak though)
Mist in Path of Radiance
Rebecca in FE7 (yeah, she used to be considered good 20 years ago, but since she requires 'babying" shes's "bad"
Amelia and Ewan in Sacred stones
Fiona in Radiant Dawn (her growths are actually good. I just forge her a weapon for the prison level and she gets enough levels there to help)

Then again I am a big believer of you can use anyone in video games and it will turn out fine. Some of the characters people are saying in this topic I think are good. (Like Razzly in Chrono Cross, she has one of the highest magic scores in the game besides Riddel. The only bad thing about her is that you have to give up Glenn who is broken.)

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Isquen
01/13/22 11:02:46 AM
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NBIceman posted...
Rolf, on the other hand, is really never good. PoR is just too focused on the enemy phase for there to be any point to archers.

Like I said, my favoritism here comes from a similarly Defense-blessed one who I threw Provoke on in Radiant Dawn and he quite nearlu soloed the endgame with a 1-3 attack range and a 3-13-archer bravado.

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NFUN
01/13/22 11:17:54 AM
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Steiner posted...
I always level the full party equally in FFX even though there's no situation even in the deepest endgame where I'm going to use Kimahri

Hey, Kimahri is useful for like five minutes when you don't have Auron and want piercing

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Steiner
01/13/22 11:20:01 AM
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NFUN posted...
Hey, Kimahri is useful for like five minutes when you don't have Auron and want piercing

yeah i meant to clarify - there are a couple points during the game where Kimahri can either be useful (like the above) or strong enough to be worth using - but once the game really opens up, Kimahri and Lulu both become pretty useless. Power leveling Kimahri in the endgame is a fool's grind which i've done many times over

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Inviso
01/13/22 11:23:55 AM
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Steiner posted...
yeah i meant to clarify - there are a couple points during the game where Kimahri can either be useful (like the above) or strong enough to be worth using - but once the game really opens up, Kimahri and Lulu both become pretty useless. Power leveling Kimahri in the endgame is a fool's grind which i've done many times over

I was gonna say this too. Kimahri, sure, he's useless. But the second Yuna gains access to Lulu's spells, Lulu is absolutely useless. Yuna has stronger stats across the board, and even the most basic spells hit harder when she's the one casting them.

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Steiner
01/13/22 11:27:48 AM
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Inviso posted...
I was gonna say this too. Kimahri, sure, he's useless. But the second Yuna gains access to Lulu's spells, Lulu is absolutely useless. Yuna has stronger stats across the board, and even the most basic spells hit harder when she's the one casting them.

the difference is Lulu essentially carries up to the exact moment in the game you get your first Blk. Mag Sphere, whereas Kimahri gets like, between one and "a few" circumstantial moments to shine

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LeonhartFour
01/13/22 11:28:43 AM
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Kimahri has one situation where you need him to not suck, and that's the solo fight against Biran and Yenke.

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Steiner
01/13/22 11:29:49 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Kimahri has one situation where you need him to not suck, and that's the solo fight against Biran and Yenke.

not really they're level adjusted <_<

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banananor
01/13/22 11:30:47 AM
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Strife2 posted...
Celes because her tech is situational at best and Terra's is OP as fuck. Celes's story is so freaking good in FF6, I can't not use her.
was celes that bad? i vaguely remember keeping her in my main party and feeling good about it, but when i try to recite my main party, it's

Celes
Locke
Terra
Edgar
Sabin

which is clearly more than 4

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Esuriat
01/13/22 11:30:52 AM
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Zigzagoon posted...
Pretty much any animal character since they usually make them one note or weaker than the other characters.


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LeonhartFour
01/13/22 11:34:31 AM
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My WoR party (once they're all available) is Celes/Locke/Edgar/Sabin

but Magicite makes almost all of the characters equally capable of owning the game so it doesn't really matter

Steiner posted...
not really they're level adjusted <_<

I mean yeah they're only going to be so difficult so you don't get punished for never using the guy but it's still the only time he actually matters!

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NFUN
01/13/22 11:36:08 AM
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Steiner posted...
not really they're level adjusted <_<
It's pretty hilarious going from enemies with 5,000 health to the Ronsos with like 600

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Steiner
01/13/22 11:37:37 AM
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and them being the ones to whoop your ass while the rest of the party stands watching, all capable of one shotting these geeks

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Strife2
01/13/22 1:20:50 PM
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Celes can absorb magic attacks. She is good against TunnelArmor, Kefka, and Dullahan (plus the dragons), but you can have better options, like buffing her magic star and nuking....or just using Terra.

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plasmabeam
01/13/22 3:00:05 PM
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Albel Nox in Star Ocean 3

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