Board 8 > FFXIV Topic 12 - Tales of loss and fire and faith

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tcaz2
01/01/22 11:15:29 PM
#201:


Yeah honestly the only time it ever fails is if someone tries to say not to do it because then you divide half the raid on whose call to follow. Well, that or you have some REAL bad mouth breathers that literally don't even push buttons.

I'd say it actually succeeds first try around 75% of the time.
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banananor
01/03/22 3:56:33 PM
#202:


gonna find out how much gear is required to get invited to savage raid groups tomorrow, or at least into learning groups

really hoping to avoid buying & overmelding the crafted gear

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BK_Sheikah00
01/03/22 4:22:21 PM
#203:


My hope is that just like Eden's Gate, it will be 10 ilvls above artifact gear.

So 570 p1s
575 p2s
580 p3s and p4s

But they already surprised by putting 565 on normals. No way it goes higher than 580 or it would be impossible week 1.

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Dels
01/03/22 4:40:58 PM
#204:


i'd be very surprised if it's not that, even with them changing the normal requirement.

you don't need to overmeld though unless you're aiming to clear the 3rd and 4th fight week 1. fights 1 and 2 should be clearable no problem without overmelds, though obviously any amount of damage you can get will help.
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HeroDelTiempo17
01/03/22 4:42:10 PM
#205:


Preformed parties can ignore whatever the ilevel suggestion is, so it'll come down to whatever party finder decides.

I think it's pretty unreasonable to demand full 580 from pugs. Full crafted is typically only necessary for week 1 clears. First two floors should be doable in a mix of tomes and normal mode drops, although the tuning on floor 2 can vary wildly (getting flashbacks to Voidwalker...) so who knows.

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Dels
01/03/22 5:07:39 PM
#206:


oh, today i had a level 50 marauder in hullbreaker that never turned on tank stance for the entire dungeon. they never responded to anything we told them in chat.

so that was a thing

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LordoftheMorons
01/03/22 5:44:14 PM
#207:


Should have vote-kicked them!

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agesboy
01/03/22 6:21:34 PM
#208:


only need one other person to accept the votekick!

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UshiromiyaEva
01/03/22 6:30:36 PM
#209:


Real talk, is it going to be notably different if I wake up at 5 AM versus 8AM to sell this raid gear? I won't be selling it melded.

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Dels
01/03/22 6:35:47 PM
#210:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Should have vote-kicked them!

i was too slow on my trigger finger. people opened the chest after the first boss, right as i had the kick menu open, which was the first opportunity after 5 minutes had passed. even though the other 2 were also complaining about it, they still opened a chest. -_-

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Dels
01/03/22 6:36:45 PM
#211:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Real talk, is it going to be notably different if I wake up at 5 AM versus 8AM to sell this raid gear? I won't be selling it melded.

from what i've been told, no. mostly because the people waking up at 5am are hardcore enough that they've usually made arrangements to buy their gear from someone, not be checking marketboard for it.
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HeroDelTiempo17
01/03/22 7:14:40 PM
#212:


The real thing that's going to matter is the willingness to babysit your listing as the marketboard PvP begins in earnest

Also just having your crafters ready to go D1 in general meaning reasonably melded, prefarming mats, having a bank of collectables to quickly get white scrips for the books and potential mats etc.

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Dels
01/03/22 7:17:38 PM
#213:


yeah, i'm really regretting investing in my crafters so much. i can wake up at 5 to craft stuff but i don't know if i can babysit... i'll have to nap at some point and then my raid starts at 3pm.

hopefully i can sell enough pieces to just make back the money i spent pentamelding.
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UshiromiyaEva
01/03/22 7:20:15 PM
#214:


I have enough Blood Bouillbasse, I'm not worried about that.

I didn't think about having to buy books, though, damn.

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Dels
01/03/22 7:25:07 PM
#215:


retainer gotta look like this!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/9/AAdoZGAACxTV.png

you basically need around 60 of a white scrip collectable to ensure you can buy all the recipe books. (that's the rarefied popoto pancakes there - the others are sykon for purple, which i apparently overdid because purple isn't used for anything other than food mats)
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HeroDelTiempo17
01/03/22 7:30:10 PM
#216:


Dels posted...
yeah, i'm really regretting investing in my crafters so much. i can wake up at 5 to craft stuff but i don't know if i can babysit... i'll have to nap at some point and then my raid starts at 3pm.

hopefully i can sell enough pieces to just make back the money i spent pentamelding.

Well you'll get another chance in 6.1 when the next Hand/Land gear drops because getting a head start on crafting that is much more value and less hassle than battle gear.

Plus pentamelding accs is just value, that shit lasts years before you actually need to upgrade. I literally used endgame Heavensward crafting accs from 3.3 until 5.3 lol. My gatherers are also in 5.0 accs, not sure if I'll need to upgrade soon but no current plans. I'm also not trying to sell stuff on the ground floor though.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/03/22 7:44:17 PM
#217:


Yeah I didn't prep properly then.

Not gonna worry about it.

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tcaz2
01/03/22 8:02:39 PM
#218:


You shouldn't worry about it much anyway, you make way more money being consistent than in bursts.

Like yeah you might miss out on making like 15-30m gil on patch launch or something but just doing crafts in your spare time and putting them up on the market board regularly will get you way more in the long run.
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Dels
01/03/22 8:06:58 PM
#219:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Well you'll get another chance in 6.1 when the next Hand/Land gear drops because getting a head start on crafting that is much more value and less hassle than battle gear.


ohhhh really? like waking up that morning and making that stuff? i hadn't thought of that. never really done any crafting before lol

as long as i stay a raider i'm just always going to have a conflict on day 1 of raid patches so trying to make the combat gear will likely never be the best idea.

but i'll try it tomorrow anyway since i'm prepared
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DoomTheGyarados
01/03/22 8:30:34 PM
#220:


I craft level 50 blues for like 10k in mats and chuckle when people give me 150k+ per a few times a week

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UshiromiyaEva
01/03/22 8:40:33 PM
#221:


I want patch noooooootes.

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BK_Sheikah00
01/03/22 8:53:10 PM
#222:


If you can't craft the gear, Aphorism mats will have good value. Also ingots/lumber/cloth etc with legendary mats can go up after the crafters start running out of what they prep. Aphorism will be the bottleneck tho

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/03/22 9:28:09 PM
#223:


Dels posted...
ohhhh really? like waking up that morning and making that stuff? i hadn't thought of that. never really done any crafting before lol

as long as i stay a raider i'm just always going to have a conflict on day 1 of raid patches so trying to make the combat gear will likely never be the best idea.

but i'll try it tomorrow anyway since i'm prepared

I've never tried but you can probably make good money on the ground floor that way selling new gear to gatherers who are trying to make money on the ground floor selling mats to crafters. Might not spike as hard as battle gear. But you don't really have to! I'm with tcaz here and consistent money > huge bursts. DoH/DoL gear just has more longevity and consistent sales because there are more gatherers than there are crafters, plus new people who hit max level and want to gear.

Right now the only thing that'll be totally consistent like that is food and pots

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/22 12:15:39 AM
#224:


tried to do a last minute normal raid for tomes and rolled P2N because some absolute MADLAD must have been trying to get a weekly drop. and got owned when the server kicked a healer lol.

Anyways it's time for patch notes waiting room. I am manifesting Bard changes. Yoshi-P fix Mage's Ballad or else I will...play Machinist or something IDK.

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TheRock1525
01/04/22 12:18:49 AM
#225:


Man when they gonna make this available on steam again?

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LordoftheMorons
01/04/22 12:20:06 AM
#226:


I put off my normal runs until like two hours before maintenance... luckily I didn't have to rerun any for tokens

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Shadow Dino
01/04/22 12:59:09 AM
#227:


https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/674bcc0a4da4caba1ded710a7af99389094d52a8

Patch notes up.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/04/22 1:05:00 AM
#228:


They nerfed Reaper's heal.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/22 1:09:42 AM
#229:


Wow, I was expecting way more adjustments than we actually got. Oh well.

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agesboy
01/04/22 1:12:46 AM
#230:


lol

wasn't expecting a war nerf, but was expecting a drk buff

guess they really don't care about things that don't impact raiding very much this singular patch

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Luis_Sera89
01/04/22 1:41:35 AM
#231:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Wow, I was expecting way more adjustments than we actually got. Oh well.
This was actually more changes than I was expecting. Any job changes in minor patches are always more about urgent fixes and course correction than big buffs and nerfs. Those are reserved for the X.1, X.2 etc. patches.

They're clearly fine with Reaper's damage (for the time being at least) and are bringing Dragoon more in line with that, and they've readjusted Summoner's Firebird stance to bring more parity with Dreadwyrm stance given it's one less ogcd nuke. Everything else is fixes and QoL.

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Shadow Dino
01/04/22 1:45:04 AM
#232:


Yeah, this patch was always gonna be minor tweaks rather than full on balancing. 6.1 should bring more substantial changes, especially since it'll have an Ultimate.

I'm kinda annoyed that White Mage's mana economy is still kinda scuffed, but it's nothing that gamebreaking.

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/22 1:55:52 AM
#233:


I mean as a Bard main, Mage's Ballad being worse than Army's Paeon feels like an unintentional fuckup deserving of an fix that could also be remedied entirely with potency changes but I dunno man.

It's also weird that Dancer didn't get any potency buffs considering it's behind the other two ranged in a similar way to how SMN/DRG/NIN were buffed, but it could be the number squish flattening the need to do that or they're banking on it getting better with time or something.

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CasanovaZelos
01/04/22 2:28:08 AM
#234:


I wish I had already reached 90 with my Ninja so I could actually understand what these changes are doing

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UshiromiyaEva
01/04/22 3:00:18 AM
#235:


That Astronomy Gear looks so good.

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tcaz2
01/04/22 5:04:48 AM
#236:


CasanovaZelos posted...
I wish I had already reached 90 with my Ninja so I could actually understand what these changes are doing

Basically at 90 you got an ability that, every time you used Raiton, it gave you a new ability you have to use immediately after that you used twice (the proc is lost if you didn't use it).

It was very strong but kind of clunky to use, because both parts of it are gap closers and since you have to use them immediately it can force you into weird situations where you want to use it but can't, or don't want to use it but can.

What they did is split them into two abilities (which still combo off Raiton), one is a gap closer that is weaker, and the other is just a strong attack now. So you basically pick one or the other based on if you need a gap closer or not (its kind of like a reverse Red Mage backflip situation).

Because it's now two abilities, they put the Bunshin finisher, Hosho Ranryu, on the Bunshin button itself instead of being a separate button so as not to bloat hotbars more (honestly probably what it should have been to begin with anyway).
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red13n
01/04/22 5:08:40 AM
#237:


The game had a queue of over 1k within a minute of the servers coming up. At 2am.

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The Mana Sword
01/04/22 7:07:57 AM
#238:


Im shocked Reaper was basically untouched

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DoomTheGyarados
01/04/22 7:09:33 AM
#239:


ergh having such a hard time getting amynodon leather to increase in quality

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tcaz2
01/04/22 7:16:55 AM
#240:


Haha too many people were hoarding materia on my server so the prices fell by like 30-40k per X and 5k per IX.

Glad I sold mine early because I needed money to level my crafters.

The Aphorism mats are selling super expensive right now though. Made about 2 mil off those, not too bad.
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DoomTheGyarados
01/04/22 8:52:03 AM
#241:


update: just had to overmeld some CP and get HQ CP food and leather is pretty reliable HQ now, going for 130k a pop rofl.

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The Mana Sword
01/04/22 9:08:40 AM
#242:


why make money when you can attempt to craft 580 gear, not be able to make it HQ, and lose money instead

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UshiromiyaEva
01/04/22 11:22:13 AM
#243:


So what's the hot new food?

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JonThePenguin
01/04/22 11:53:22 AM
#244:


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Sephiroth decided I needed a bit more challenge doing the ARM quests.

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UshiromiyaEva
01/04/22 11:58:08 AM
#245:


OOOOOF OK I guess I need to learn how to properly meld, lost around 500k trying to make the summoner book.

I earned 3 mil from Aph mats though, so not crying about it.

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Dels
01/04/22 11:59:20 AM
#246:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
It's also weird that Dancer didn't get any potency buffs considering it's behind the other two ranged in a similar way to how SMN/DRG/NIN were buffed, but it could be the number squish flattening the need to do that or they're banking on it getting better with time or something.

i'm pretty disappointed as well since i'm, uh, raiding as dancer.

the only thing to say though is that dancer does suffer the most from bad gear - Skill speed is actually worthless for us, it makes standard step come off cooldown too late, so you just have to wait half a second to use it, which negates the advantage of the speed in the first place.

So now that we can construct a gearset without skillspeed, our damage may go up slightly. Not sure that's anywhere near enough to close the gap, but I think Dancer also gets high benefit from crit numbers being higher, which gear also helps with. i don't quite know why, i've just heard dancer always increases as an expansion goes on since more crit breakpoints are hit.
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UshiromiyaEva
01/04/22 12:32:24 PM
#247:


Do what's the word on the Savage trials so far? Anything interesting, assuming some kind of alternate form as usual for P4?

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HeroDelTiempo17
01/04/22 12:36:39 PM
#248:


MCH also has a similar issue with skill speed and crit. Hypercharge and its OGCds are unaffected by skill speed, I think Queen as well, and crit is high value. So I'm not sure it'll be entirely solved by gear, although it's possible DNC scales even better than MCH. I know the least about it of the three ranged.

I think the best hope for Dancer is that it remains the best ranged for boosting people at very high level play

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Dels
01/04/22 12:43:01 PM
#249:


oh yeah, so the answer to "do you lose out by not crafting combat sets at 5am" is very much no, not at all

i checked the market boards at like 9am after spending 2 hours doing a hunt train and wondering if that'd put me behind - but no. the history showed only a dozen pieces of the chestpiece i looked up had even sold since the time the servers went up - with dozens more still listed on the board.
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Dels
01/04/22 12:44:15 PM
#250:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
MCH also has a similar issue with skill speed and crit. Hypercharge and its OGCds are unaffected by skill speed, I think Queen as well, and crit is high value. So I'm not sure it'll be entirely solved by gear, although it's possible DNC scales even better than MCH. I know the least about it of the three ranged.

I think the best hope for Dancer is that it remains the best ranged for boosting people at very high level play

yeah, MCH doesn't like skill speed either, but it's not completely worthless like it is on dancer.

and yeah, that's the other thing, dancer gets better as everyone else gets better. i mean, bard does too now more than before though, right? so, we'll see. but i heard that's the reason dancer always starts a bit weaker and gets stronger every week.
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