Board 8 > `````` Nominate SHEIK for CB11! #DownB

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:11:10 PM
#1:


What is your favorite SSB-move for Sheik?










Time to bring it back!

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/0/0d/Sheik-Victory3-SSB4.png

*Smash and LoZ spoilers below*

From the user who brought you Team Chocolate, The Stable, and Metal Men...and the user who brought you Yoshimitsu, Corvo, and the Metal Sonic Army...comes the loftiest goal for a rally in Board 8 history.

Welcome to the official Sheik-rally! We have one goal: ensure Sheik (Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) gets in the next Character Battle by out-nominating Princess Zelda.

Dont think its possible? Epona out-seeded her in 2013...and we weren't even trying.

Somebody play Zelda's Lullaby, because we're putting her to rest.

https://pa1.narvii.com/6175/2a75f07aa76433c805cc1c791ce9afe5bd12a7a5_hq.gif

165 characters seen in Super Smash Bros. have been featured in at least one match. We have also seen 180 playable fighting game characters that are featured in at least one match. All of these characters have been given the chance before Sheik, a repeatedly top-tier fighting character in a repeatedly top-tier fighting series.

It's time we stop this injustice with a game-winning Bouncing Fish.

Cue music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQunBvBvR4

So why Sheik? Let's start with her origin. Sheik stars in Nintendo's all-time classic game, the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. She comes to Link's aid in a shroud of mystery, teaching you the songs you need for warping to each adult dungeon. Her reveal near the end is a memorable moment, forever reminding us about that one time in the twentieth century when Zelda had to be someone else to be cool.

Sheiks impact allowed her to return as an alternate costume in the Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. We also saw her become playable in Hyrule Warriors. Thats pretty neat!

All that is hype enough as is, but also this rally began because Sheik kicks ass in Super Smash Bros. She made it in as a stand-alone character in Ultimate, her fourth appearance in this five-game Smash series and the best-selling fighting game of all time...and yet, out of all the playable characters, Sheik is the only one left who's been in every Smash-game since Melee but has not made it into a match yet. She is also the highest-tier Smash-character we havent seen yet. This puts her lagging behind 64 playable characters and 101 other characters seen in the series who made it in before her. Sheik deserves a chance!

Meanwhile, while we're talking about the Smash-series, do you know who's not that good? Zelda! Theres a good reason Nintendo completely separates Sheik and Zelda in the past two Smash-games: becoming Sheik was Zelda's best feature, and starting as Zelda was Sheik's worst problem. #DownB

Strength-wise, Sheik's a wildcard with a high floor. She's beating at least 80% of the characters we've seen in Smash before. Few characters we've seen in any other fighting game would stand
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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:19:47 PM
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O P E R A T I O N O U S T :

vB) HaRRicH
vB) ZenOfThunder
3) Eddv
4) AxemRedRanger
5) MetalmindStats
6) UltimaterializerX
7) hombad46
8) STEINER
9) Shonen_Bat
10) TAFKAHurricane
11) Logience
12) Janus5k
13) Dels
14) WarThaNemesis2
15) Kenri
16) Shaduln
17) Popcorn_Fairy
18) Tom Bombadil
19) Murphiroth
20) Obellisk
21) Dark Young Link
22) TsunamiXXVIII
23) pjbasis
24) SoulDynasty
25) SwiftyDC (in response to a trade for a Ditto-nom)
26) jcgamer107
27) A new legend.....

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/7a/76/067a765c276f3e51b91c82daabe3da27.jpg

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:29:33 PM
#3:


A DISCLAIMER:

Okay so listen, ZenOfThunder and I are excited to get deeper into this rally, but we gotta be real with you now that we got our pitch out of the way.

We talked with SBAllen about Sheik's contest eligibility near the end of CB10. After a few feedback tickets, he filed us away for future consideration.

It's not a no! ...but it's not a yes yet either.

The point is, this rally for Sheik might not work despite our best efforts -- for every Chester and WWF No Mercy, there is a Jay Solano and Sonic 3 & Knuckles. We believe in this rally succeeding with your help, but you should know that risk going forward.

We recognize this rally will lead to conversations regarding contest eligibility, and we welcome them in good faith.

So, as we begin, please note:

We are asking all people pledging for Sheik to also voice if they think it is more appropriate to:

1) Allow both Sheik and Zelda into the same contests, or

2) Only allow Sheik in contests where she out-nominates Zelda.</quote>

You will see our case for Sheik as we push this rally forward. Long story short though: we are advocating to allow both characters, but we're also out-nominating Zelda just to be safe.

We'll keep a tally in-house among Sheik-supporters, and then we'll take a broader board vote later on after we make our case public and talk about it awhile. We'll follow up with SB afterward for a friendly update on both Sheik's support and how the board feels about this issue of eligibility.

We're doing this, and we're doing this the right way.

Either way we go -- whether Sheik's debut requires breaking the nomination barrier or requires out-seeding Zelda -- we are not afraid. If SB decides later on to officially shut us down, c'este la vie...but while it's undecided and filed away for future consideration, this is our best chance ever for Sheik-fans to finally show she has legitimate support.

Let's help SB decide. =)

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:42:43 PM
#4:


The Eligibility Tally,
according to O P E R A T I O N O U S T :

Allow both Sheik and Zelda into the same contests (6):

HaRRicH - 165 characters seen in Super Smash Bros. have been featured in at least one match. We have also seen 180 playable fighting game characters that are featured in at least one match. All of these characters have been given the chance before Sheik, a repeatedly top-tier fighting character in a repeatedly top-tier fighting series. Its time to fix this travesty, with or without Zelda. #DownB

MetalmindStats - I would personally prefer seeing Sheik in the field along with Zelda. To me, Sheik is distinct enough to merit a separate slot in her own right, and Zelda would be quite a snub.

WarThaNemesis2 - I think they'll be combined nominations, personally, but if both are let in that opens the door for Dark Knight Cecil AND Paladin Cecil both being allowed in so I fully support the cause!

Popcorn_Fairy - I'm down for Sheik. Sheik and Zelda are def different enough that they should be considered separate characters. Sheik would also be a much more fun character to back than the boring usual winning characters. Count me in man, I'll def use a nomination for Sheik.

Dels - i think both sheik and zelda should be in since you explained why they are different characters. if i felt they were the same character then i would feel this was pointless.

Tom Bombadil - frickin' in, would say they should be two slots

Only allow Sheik in contests where she out-nominates Zelda (4):

Kenri - I'm down to try, but Sheik and Zelda are literally the exact same person. The precedent has usually been to combine those nominations. I can see Sheik's noms just getting wrapped into Zelda's total.

Logience - I did what now? I didn't say Sheik should be nominated as separate from Zelda. I just said it would be a cute bonus match for ten seconds before I realized it would still end up with Zelda mauling Sheik.

AxemRedRanger - I mean, Zelda's the name she's most known by regardless of nominations. This "outst the princess by outnominating Zelda" thing is a pretty funny and clever idea though, I will admit - especially with the potential victim being a contender for the #2 character on the site! It, uh, probably wouldn't be a good precedent to effectively allow people to have anti-nominations if they can beat the nominations of a popular character by nominating them under an obscure name and possibly guise, though. Rookie, Mr. L, Glenn, Iroquois Pliskin...there's no end to the mischief that could be done, so it probably won't happen. So I think your main hope would be that the latest Smash appearances or whatever are good enough to make SBAllen considering counting her as her own character.

hombad46 - I say 2. Sheik is a version of Zelda.

Unsure (1):

Eddv - Sheikhy baby

Can we get a vote and opinion from our other pledges since we last asked this?

@ZenOfThunder
@Eddv
@Steiner
@Shonen_Bat
@TAFKAHurricane
@Janus5k
@Shaduln
@Murphiroth
@Obellisk
@Dark_Young_Link

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:43:02 PM
#5:


Can we get a vote and opinion from our other pledges since we last asked this?

@TsunamiXXVIII
@pjbasis
@SoulDynasty
@SwiftyDC (I know you're in on a Ditto-trade but still)
@jcgamer107

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Steiner
12/04/21 3:44:35 PM
#6:


uh was there a contest announced

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 3:48:29 PM
#7:


This is in preparation. I feel one coming...!

(maybe in 2027 but I think sooner)

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Dark Young Link
12/04/21 4:03:23 PM
#8:


I feel like Shiek beats Zelda...

If not for Breath of the Wild. That version of Zelda seems especially popular.

That said, I'd be down to see Shiek and Zelda in the same contest. I think we'd get some interesting data from that.

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plasmabeam
12/04/21 4:27:44 PM
#9:


Dark Young Link posted...
I feel like Shiek beats Zelda...

If not for Breath of the Wild. That version of Zelda seems especially popular.

That said, I'd be down to see Shiek and Zelda in the same contest. I think we'd get some interesting data from that.

Nah, it'd be a 75-25 SFF beatdown.

Pre-BotW it would've been interesting, but not anymore.

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HaRRicH
12/04/21 11:46:36 PM
#10:


Thank you DYL!

It's hard to overestimate the impact of BotW for Zelda...but Retro Studios was testing a game for Sheik for good reason, so I'm gonna bank on Smash love + OoT. Maybe that Sheik game will still come out soon!

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HaRRicH
12/05/21 2:30:29 PM
#11:


Here are two categories that blur together.....

TWELVE VARIATIONS OF EXISTING CHARACTERS, STAND-ALONE OR OTHERWISE:

Baby Rosalina
Dark Link
Dark Pit
Dark Samus
Devil Jin
Dry Bowser
Evil Ryu
Meta Ridley
Metal Mario
Phantom Ganon
Rose Gold Peach
Toon Link

TWELVE EXISTING CHARACTERS WITH DIFFERENT COSTUMES, TYPES, AND EFFECTS:

Crossdressing Cloud
Dr. Mario
Giga Bowser
Iroquois Pliskin
Jaycee
Mariachi Raiden
Mr. L
Safer-Sephiroth
Super Sonic
Wolf Link
Yellow Yoshi
Zero Suit Samus

Here are twenty-four characters that, more or less, we mostly agree shouldn't be in a contest. You may have your exceptions, but the point is we have a fear of our contests being overrun by duplicates who only have fans because of their more popular sources.

That fear is justified, but Sheik is not the same as them.

First of all, since Smash is why this rally began, Sheik is the more popular character when it comes to Smash -- get out of the way Zelda!

It's also worth noting Sheik did something these other characters failed to do: she convinced us she was different. She has an identity that was unique enough for us to take seriously on its own merits for the majority of her first game.

Sheik's personality had us sold compared to these other personalities listed above. We saw Cloud go into the dressing room. Snake almost gave his name away, allowing us to catch his near-mistake. Julia Chang's moveset was similar and her initials were her new name. Luigi was brainwashed after previously playing as him -- you get the gist. Meanwhile, in this important moment of gaming history, Sheik was immediately cooler than Zelda ever was before 1998 and we didn't know the spoiler until nearly the end of the game.

So now we're supposed to say Sheik -- whose debut was better received than anything Zelda did previously and who is consistently out-tiering Zelda in another genre ever since -- we're supposed to say Sheik is not allowed because Zelda's here?

Nah. Sheik is the good stuff, not Zelda.

Sheik and Zelda are different enough from most duplicates and Sheik has more legitimate support than any duplicate. Release her from Zelda's shadow and nominate Sheik! #DownB

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HaRRicH
12/06/21 1:49:26 PM
#12:


ZELDAS PICTURES IN CHARACTER BATTLES:

Zelda represents Sheik.

Oh yeah? Here's the breakdown of how many times Sheik has appeared in a picture for a Zelda-match.

2003 (two pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k3/sum03b31.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k3/sum03b48.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 2 (2 for main focus)

2005 (two pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/b10.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/sc2k5/b37.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 2 (2 for main focus)

2006 (eight pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb509.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb537.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb551.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb558.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb561-1.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb561-2.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb561-3.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb2k6/cb561-4.jpg

Tetra: 1 (0 for main focus)
Sheik: 2 (0 for main focus)
Zelda: 16 (8 for main focus)

2007 (two pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-14.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb6/cb6-39.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 2 (2 for main focus)

2008 (two pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb7/cb7-07.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb7/cb7-36.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 2 (2 for main focus)

2009/2010 (seven pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-039.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-084.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-106.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-117-1.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-117-2.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-117-3.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb8/cb8-117-4.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 9 (7 for main focus)

2013 (two pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb9/5221.jpg

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb9/5251.jpg

Sheik: 0
Zelda: 2 (2 for main focus)

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HaRRicH
12/06/21 1:50:18 PM
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2018 (at least thirteen pictures):

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/71.png
(counting three times for Rounds 1-3)

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/r4-71.png

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/zelda-b-ange-sprite.png

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/zelda-f-squirrel-4.png

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/zelda-f-ulti-sprite.png

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/zelda-f-ulti.png

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/cb10/zelda-f-zen-4.png

***I believe GameFAQsContests.com is missing four more relevant pictures -- at least three of Zelda in the foreground and exactly one of Sheik in the foreground.***

Sheik: 1 (1 for main focus)
Zelda: 12+ (11+ for main focus)

Out of at least 38 pictures:
Tetra: 1 (0 for main focus)
Sheik: 3 (1 for main focus)
Zelda: 47+ (36+ for main focus)

But Zelda represents Sheik -- are you kidding me?! Zelda, not Sheik, has been the main focus of every single Zelda-match until we messaged SBAllen about getting Sheik in a contest. In comparison, before we messaged SBAllen, Sheik was only in Zeldas background twice...and both times were on the same day from the CJayC-era. SBAllen did break new ground to feature Sheik in her first foreground shot in 2018...once, which was not what we asked for regarding Sheiks representation.

To be clear, OF COURSE Zelda should be the focus in Zelda-matches. The point is to counter the argument that Sheik-fans should be satisfied with Zelda representing them. Sheik needed Zelda to make it into 2006s Final Four for Sheiks right eye to make it into the background two out of four rotating pictures, and Sheik needed Zelda to make it into 2018's Losers Finals for Sheik to get her first foreground shot in another set of four rotating pictures. Am I missing something, or is this really what some people think will satisfy Sheik-fans?

Zelda represents ZELDA, not Sheik. #DownB

"Don't worry though, Zelda-fans. When Sheik replaces Zelda, you can always submit Zelda-pictures for Sheiks matches. Maybe Zelda can get a cameo during one of Sheiks later rounds.....

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HaRRicH
12/07/21 10:19:37 PM
#14:


MORE MATCH PICTURES INFO:

Out of at least 38 character contest-pictures:
Zelda appearances: 47+ (36+ for main focus)
Sheik appearances: 3 (1 for main focus)
Tetra appearances: 1 (0 for main focus)

Out of 49 LoZ game contest-pictures -- 19 feature Sheik or Zelda:
Zelda alone: 10
Both together: 6
Sheik alone: 3

Out of 72 Smash game contest-pictures -- at least 17 feature Sheik or Zelda:
Zelda alone: 15
Both together: 2
Sheik alone: 0

Based off of at least 159 match pictures regarding Sheik, Zelda, their series, and their games together (though two games-pictures from 2015 and at least four character-pictures from 2018 are missing)...Sheik has only been in fifteen pictures. Of Sheik's fifteen pictures, only three of them were in Zeldas matches as a character...and even then, two of those times only showed Sheiks right eye in the background. These two background cameos were seen in two of the four rotating pictures on November 11th, 2006. The other one of those times was a foreground shot that made up one of the four rotating pictures on December 13th, 2018.

"Zelda represents Sheik?" This. Isnt. Representation.

Its time to get Sheik in her own match without the Zelda-label. That label isnt doing a thing for Sheik besides excusing her exclusion. #DownB

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HasteDeux
12/07/21 10:23:12 PM
#15:


Count me in.

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HaRRicH
12/07/21 10:47:37 PM
#16:


Way to make haste and pledge today, @HasteDeux -- thank you!

In case you missed it in the walls o' text, we're polling pledges to see what we collectively think on a question. Do you have an opinion on which is more appropriate:

1) Allow both Sheik and Zelda into the same contests, or
2) Only allow Sheik in contests where she out-nominates Zelda?

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HasteDeux
12/08/21 12:37:20 AM
#17:


We obviously should try to get Sheik to out-nominate Zelda in the event SBAllen considers them the same character, but if they're both allowed then that's fine, too. >_> I mean, like, "just try to get as many nominations for Sheik as possible, and try to discourage Zelda nominations, too". I guess that's closer to #1 then?

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HaRRicH
12/08/21 1:00:49 AM
#18:


Haha I feel ya. The starting stance for this rally has been to allow both characters separately but to get Sheik to out-nominate Zelda as a safety measure. That said, this is a unique situation so you as a person pledging should have a space to be heard as well.

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HaRRicH
12/09/21 12:30:47 AM
#19:


ZELDA'S SEEDING:

Since our goal is to get Sheik in a contest, this goal may require out-nominating Zelda...so what is Zelda's history with nominations anyway?

2002: not selected by CJayC
2003: 10-seed (~37th-40th most nominated)
2004: snubbed (failed to break through the company cap due to 8-seeded Ganondorf -- no higher than ~30th-32nd)
2005: 5-seed (~33rd-40th most nominated)
2006: 1-seed in Female Bracket (~1st-4th most nominated among women)
2007: entered (no lower than ~128th)
2008: entered (no lower than ~128th)
2009/2010: 10-seed (~73rd-80th most nominated)
2013: 16-seed (~135th-144th most nominated)
2018: 4-seed in main bracket (~33th-40th most nominated)

We have a huge task ahead of us since Zelda is a former #1 seed who is the eponymous character of Sheik's original series. We also saw Breath of the Wild boost both Ganondorf and Zelda's seeding up to 4-seeds. This is a big challenge to overcome, more so than any rally has ever faced.

Fret not though! Zelda has been snubbed before -- see 2004. Also, until Breath of the Wild released, Zelda's seeding looked like it was dropping between 2006 and 2013.

In fact, 2013 is an interesting case study for LoZ-characters:

1-seed: Link
8-seed: Epona
8-seed: Groose
9-seed: Ganondorf
16-seed: Zelda
18-seed: Midna
27-seed: Tingle

Notice Zelda had a 16-seed and she was smoked by Board 8s rally for Epona who got an 8-seed. Heck, we even got Epona to out-seed Ganondorf. We could have done this in 2013 -- no reason why we can't score a repeat in the next Character Battle.

This board has out-seeded Zelda before with a female who debuted in Ocarina of Time. It's time to do it again. #DownB

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SwiftyDC
12/09/21 12:40:14 AM
#20:


The Legend of Sheik!

I think our number one goal should be to out-nominate Zelda so she takes the sole spot, but ideally it would be neat to have both in the tournament despite them being the same person.

The closest character comparison I can think of is maybe Mario/Dr. Mario, have we gotten the Doc in separately?

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squexa
12/09/21 1:10:11 AM
#21:


Closest character comparison we have is Mega Man/X.

The best case for Sheik making the bracket would be using Mega Man/X as a precedent and pointing out that there are a lot of different distinct Zeldas in the series just like Mega Man and that Sheik is the specific Zelda from OoT/MM that is distinct from say the Zelda from SS, who is her ancestor.

But this also shows the issue with Sheik "replacing" Zelda. A huge part of Zelda's recent surge comes from BotW Zelda and other recent games with greater Zelda characterization and that's clearly an entirely different character than Sheik. If Sheik can "replace" Zelda, Geo Stelar can probably replace Mega Man as well, which would be pretty hilarious and crazy.

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HaRRicH
12/09/21 11:16:57 AM
#22:


Thank you Swifty! Yeah, these goals of outnominating Zelda are only here because of the injustice of using Zelda as the reason Sheik can't get a match. If that MUST be the roadblock, we MUST overcome it. That said...yeah, Sheik-fans don't have to inherently be against Zelda being in the same contests for many reasons -- including some like what squexa shared.

Dr. Mario hasn't made a contest before, and nor should he in my book unless he out-nomonated Mario. Sheik is uniquely different from Dr. Mario though and really shouldn't have to outnominate Zelda -- see post #11 for more thoughts on this distinction.

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SwiftyDC
12/09/21 12:44:50 PM
#23:


There is also Solid Snake and Big Boss!

Yeah, Shiek (Ocarina of Time) should get in as her own character and Zelda (BotW) separately.

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squexa
12/09/21 3:42:35 PM
#24:


Breath of Fire has a very similar situation too with the male leads all being called Ryu and the female leads all being called Nina (and princesses too in the first couple games). I remember two different Ninas have met in the same game. There's also Hero from DQ in the 2013 character contest, where I think he's specifically supposed to be the DQV Hero, but it's a mess to disambiguate especially post-SSBU.

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12/09/21 9:25:38 PM
#25:


LOZ-CHARACTERS BY TIER IN SMASH:

How good are the characters from GameFAQs's strongest single-player series in GameFAQs's strongest multi-player series?

Original SSB (SSBWiki):
11/12 - Link

Melee (SSBWiki):
4/26 - Sheik
14/26 - Ganondorf
16/26 - Young Link
18/26 - Link
22/26 - Zelda

Brawl (SSBWiki):
13/37 - Toon Link
24/37 - Sheik
34/37 - Link
36/37 - Zelda
37/37 - Ganondorf

SSB4 3DS + WiiU (SSBWiki):
4/55 - Sheik
23/55 - Toon Link
31/55 - Link
53/55 - Ganondorf
54/55 - Zelda

Ultimate (Pro Guides as of the end of the first character pack released since SSBWiki doesnt keep a list):
A (12-25)/83 - Young Link
B (26-45)/83 - Sheik
B (26-45)/83 - Link
B (26-45)/83 - Zelda
C (46-63)83/ - Toon Link
F (80-83)/83 - Ganondorf

Sheik is the only LoZ-character to be a top-ten Smash-character twice before. She's also only been in the bottom half of the tier-list once, a distinction only shared within the LoZ series by Toon Link and Young Link.

Also, notice how Sheik is far above Zelda with every appearance up until Ultimate. Zelda's reeeaaally trying to catch up with Sheik with the Switch!

Does this matter? Yes! Imagine if Marth had a starring role in Ocarina of Time and didn't look or play like seven other jabronies. That's Sheik (get wrecked Marth).

There's no perfect comparison available, but Pikachu and Fox have both been regularly ranked highly in the Smash-series and they can both cause some serious damage. Pikachu and Fox are a bit different, sure; they both have been in Smash since the beginning, and they both have leading roles throughout their original series. In Sheik's favor though, you do NOT underestimate Ocarina of Time.

Since Epona beat Ike nearly as much as Pikachu once did, Sheik's got to at least be in the conversation against Pikachu and Fox. She could outright beat them both! That's a quality spot for any debut character, and who knows -- she could surprise us even more from there!

Link is the best LoZ-character in the Smash-series, and hes #1 on GameFAQs. Meanwhile, Sheik is the best Smash-character in the LoZ-series Lets find out what that means for her.

Nominate Sheik! #DownB

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12/11/21 8:03:20 AM
#26:


SMASH'S HIGHEST-TIERED SNUBS:

So who are the best playable characters in each Smash-game who have not made it into a match yet?

Original SSB (SSBWiki):
no snubs -- every character had at least one match

Melee (SSBWiki):
4/26 - Sheik
7/26 - Popo (Ice Climbers)
11/26 - Dr. Mario
20/26 - Roy
24/26 - Pichu

Brawl (SSBWiki):
2/37 - Popo (Ice Climbers)
9/37 - Zero Suit Samus
18/37 - R.O.B.
24/37 - Sheik
28/37 - Ivysaur (Pokemon Trainer)

SSB4 3DS + WiiU (SSBWiki):
4/55 - Sheik
5/55 - Luma (Rosalina)
6/55 - Zero Suit Samus
13/55 - Corrin
21/55 - Captain Alph (Captain Olimar)
25/55 - Villager
26/55 - Greninja
30/55 - Duck (Duck Hunt)
32(t)/55 - Dark Pit
36/55 - R.O.B.
37/55 - Robin
42/55 - Roy
48/55 - Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7
49/55 - Dr. Mario
51/55 - Wii Fit Trainer
??? - Miis

Ultimate (Pro Guides as of the end of the first character pack released since SSBWiki doesnt keep a list):
S (1-11)/83 - Zero Suit Samus
A (12-25)/83 - Roy
A (12-25)/83 - Ivysaur
A (12-25)/83 - Captain Alph (Captain Olimar)
A (12-25)/83 - R.O.B.
A (12-25)/83 - Greninja
A (12-25)/83 - Inkling
B (26-45)/83 - Sheik
B (26-45)/83 - Dark Samus
B (26-45)/83 - Wii Fit Trainer
B (26-45)/83 - Duck (Duck Hunt)
B (26-45)/83 - Min Min
C (46-63)/83 - Pichu
C (46-63)/83 - Dark Pit
C (46-63)/83 - Villager
C (46-63)/83 - Luma (Rosalina)
C (46-63)/83- Robin
C (46-63)/83 - Corrin
C (46-63)/83 - Mii Brawler
C (46-63)/83 - Hero
C (46-63)/83 - Byleth
D (64-79)/83 - Popo (Ice Climbers)
D (64-79)/83 - Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7
D (64-79)/83 - Piranha Plant
D (64-79)/83 - Mii Swordfighter
D (64-79)/83 - Mii Gunner
D (64-79)/83 - Kazooie (Banjo)
F (80-83)/83 - Dr. Mario
F (80-83)/83 - Incineroar
??? - Alex
??? - Zombie
??? - Enderman
??? - Pyra
??? - Mythra

Is anybody rallying for Zero Suit Samus or Dark Samus over Samus? I don't think they'll work as well as our rally, and Sheik is beating either of them in a match anyway.

Is anybody rallying for Ivysaur or Greninja? Sheikll take them down alongside their bigger-named Pokemon too.

Is anybody rallying for Roy? We have plenty of other FE characters for Sheik to beat.

Is anybody rallying for Popo or Captain Alph after seeing Nana and Captain Olimar? Don't even waste your time.

Is anybody rallying for Inkling? Step on up if so -- itll be fun to see a Bouncing Fish make Squid Games out of a squid.

Is anybody rallying for R.O.B.? Id actually welcome that, but let's not act like he'll be strong either.

Is anybody rallying for Wii Fit Trainer? Put 'em in a match with Sheik -- see who gets the work-out.

Is anybody rallying for Duck? The Duck Hunt Dog already stunk and it had joke-votes.

Is anybody rallying for Min Min? Sound the aram if Arms characters face Sheik -- she'll leave any of them looking like stretched-out Slinkies.

These are the snubs that at one time or another have outranked Sheik or ranked on her level. Who else here even has an argument against Sheik in a GameFAQs match? Dr. Mario maaaaaybe, but probably not...and again, you wont see rallies to get him in over Mario anyway. Meanwhile, we have something real with Sheik > Zelda, and were not wasting time on those other wanna-bes until they present themselves as threats.

Sheik is the best character to still be snubbed despite topping out in two different Smash-games. She's the obvious next pick! #DownB

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12/12/21 7:36:02 PM
#27:


NUMBER OF SMASH-GAMES FOR EACH SNUB:

Which snubs have been playable in the most Smash-games?

FOUR GAMES:
Sheik

THREE GAMES:
Dr. Mario
Popo (Ice Climbers)
R.O.B.
Roy
Zero Suit Samus

TWO GAMES:
Bowser Jr./Koopa Kids x7
Captain Alph (Captain Olimar)
Corrin
Dark Pit
Duck (Duck Hunt)
Greninja
Ivysaur
Miis x3
Luma (Rosalina)
Pichu
Robin
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer

ONE GAME:
Alex
Byleth
Dark Samus
Enderman
Hero
Inciniroar
Inkling
Kazooie (Banjo)
Min Min
Mythra
Piranha Plant
Pura
Zombie

Sheik is the only Smash-snub who has been playable in every Smash-game since Melee, and I know a great way to fix this injustice: nominate Sheik!

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12/14/21 10:28:36 PM
#28:


SMASH-CHARACTERS IN BEFORE SHEIK:

Okay, so we just showed you Smashs playable characters who havent made it into a contest yet. Who are the Smash-characters that HAVE made it in though?

Im glad I asked on your behalf!

Smash-characters previously in matches before Sheik include:

PLAYABLE (64):
Banjo
Bayonetta
Bowser
Captain Falcon
Captain Olimar
Charizard
Chrom
Cloud
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Duck Hunt Dog
Falco Lombardi
Fox McCloud
Ganondorf
Ike
Isabelle
Jigglypuff
Joker
Kazuya
Ken
King Dedede
King K. Rool
Kirby
Link
Little Mac
Lucario
Lucina
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Mega Man
Meta Knight
Mewtwo
Mr. Game & Watch
Nana
Ness
Pac-Man
Palutena
Pikachu
Pit
Pokemon Trainer Red
Princess Daisy
Princess Peach
Richter Belmont
Ridley
Rosalina
Ryu
Samus Aran
Sephiroth
Shulk
Simon Belmont
Solid Snake
Sonic
Sora
Squirtle
Steve
Terry Bogard
Toon Link
Wario
Wolf O'Donnell
Yoshi
Young Link
Zelda #DownB

MII FIGHTER-COSTUMES (30):
Aerith
Akira Yuki
Altair
Barret
Black Knight
Bomberman
Creeper
Cuphead
Dante
Dragonborn
Dunban
Geno
Goemon
Heihachi (GameFAQs vote-in)
Iori Yagami
Isaac
Knuckles
Lloyd Irving
Mega Man X
Proto Man
Sans
Shantae
Slime
Tails
Tifa
Travis Touchdown
Toad
Vault Boy
Yu Narukami
Zero

SPIRITS (46):
Akuma
Amy Rose
Aqua
Axel
Big Boss
Black Shadow
Cid Highwind
Chun-Li
Chris Redfield
Crazy Redd
Dan Hibiki
Dr. Robotnik
Epona
Fawful
Felix
Geese Howard (GameFAQs vote-in)
Groose
Gruntilda
Hades
Jill Valentine
Kairi
L-Tetrimino
Leon Kennedy
Liquid Snake
M. Bison
Metal Man
Metal Sonic
Mr. Resetti
Otacon
Primrose
Raiden
Rayman
Revolver Ocelot
Reyn
Riku
Roll
Roxas
Sagat
Shantae
Sigma
Soma Cruz
Tharja
The Boss
Tom Nook
Vincent Valentine
Wesker

ASSIST TROPHIES/POKEBALLS/ITEMS (15):
Alucard
Andross
Blinky
Dr. Wily
Guile
Lugia
Lyndis
Midna
Mother Brain
Paddle
Sandbag
Shadow the Hedgehog
Shovel Knight
Tingle
Waluigi

STAGE/CHARACTER/MODE-SPECIFIC CHARACTERS (6):
? Block
Captain Toad
Doc Louis (GameFAQs vote-in)
Dracula
Master Hand
Prince of All Cosmos

TROPHIES AND STICKERS (3):
Agent J
Commander Video
Mudkip

REFERENCED BY TEXT (1):
Giygas

GRAND TOTAL: 165

Why would Sheik not end up in the top 20% of these characters? Heck, she might end up in the top 10%. The Finals Bracket from 2018 has fourteen Smash-characters of these 165 characters and you'd have to be #16 or higher to be in the top 10%, so let's just pull those top fourteen real quick:

Link
Cloud
Zelda
Mario
Samus
Solid Snake
Mega Man
Pikachu
Tifa
Sephiroth
Sonic
Ganondorf
Bowser
Alucard

Feel free to pick a few extras if you really believe in them, like Kirby or MMX. Maybe you really disrespect Sheik and go another tier down, but the point is clear: Sheik would forward-smash double-kick the large majority of Smash-characters off her stage. There's a hundred people here Sheik would beat, bare minimum.

Why wait longer? Nominate Sheik! #DownB

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12/19/21 1:19:44 PM
#29:


MORE ABOUT THOSE SMASH-CHARACTERS WHO GOT IN BEFORE SHEIK:

So lets get more specific about our previous Smash-entrants listed above.

Sheik was beaten to GameFAQs matches by the following individual NPCs perceived to be jokes that were seen in some capacity from the series:

*Paddle, which has been in a bonus match.
*? Block, which has been a proper entrant in one contest and beat a former contest champion in another contest's bonus poll.
*Sandbag, which has been in two contests and advanced to the second round before.
*Mudkip, which has been in two contests and advanced to the second round twice.
*Master Hand, which has been seen in two contests and won two matches.
*Tingle, who has been in three contests.
*Waluigi, who has been in three contests and advanced to the second round before.
*A wonderful horse unfairly considered to be a joke, which won a match and was LFF'd out of its chance to horseshoe-kick many others.

How about playable characters though? Here are some stats of playable Smash-characters we saw in a match before Sheik ever entered a contest.

*1/2 of the Ice Climbers
*2 Kid Icarus characters
*3 variations of Link
*5 Fire Emblem characters
*6 Pokemon and 1 trainer
*18 third party characters

*All 12 original Smash characters made it into the original SSB.

*Melee has five playable snubs (Sheik, Dr. Mario, Popo, Pichu, Roy).

*Brawl has five playable snubs (Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, Ivysaur, Popo, R.O.B.)

*SSB4 3DS + Wii U has twenty-five playable snubs (Sheik, Luma, Bowser Jr. +7 Koopa Kids, Zero Suit Samus, Robin, Duck, Greninja, R.O.B , Villager, Captain Alph, Wii Fit Trainer, Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, Roy, Corrin, Miis x3)

*Ultimate has thirty-eight playable snubs (Sheik, Dark Samus, Popo, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, Dark Pit, Zero Suit Samus, Ivysaur, Captain Alph, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Luma, Robin, Bowser Jr. +7 Koopa Kids, Duck, Corrin, Inkling, Incineroar, Piranha Plant, Kazooie, Byleth, Min-Min, Alex, Zombie, Enderman, Pyra, Mythra, Miis x3).

Lets look deeper into the times Smash-hype got new playable Smash characters in over Sheik:

*2007: 3 contest newcomers debuted from Brawls reveal-hype (Meta Knight, Pit, Ike) and 2 more debuted from general Smash-hype (Mewtwo, Marth).
*2008: 4 contest newcomers debuted from Smash debuts after Brawls release (Lucario, Diddy Kong, King Dedede, Lucas) and 3 more debuted from general Smash-hype (Falco, Sandbag, Nana)
*2013: 3 more debuted from SSB4s general Smash-hype (Jigglypuff, Squirtle, Mr. Game and Watch).
*2018: 2 contest newcomers debuted from Ultimates reveal-hype (Isabelle, Richter Belmont) and 1 more debuted from Ultimates general Smash-hype (Rosalina).

One more estimated stat: how many characters were to some degree in a Smash-game or confirmed to be in the next Smash-game per contest? I had to make some guesses because I'm not looking up info like which day we had access to which game's trophies, but roughly speaking..

2002: ~8/64 (12.5.%)
2003: ~13/64 (20.31%)
2004: ~10/64 (15.63%)
2005-Villains: ~4/32 (12.5%)
2005: ~11/67 (16.42%)
2006-Females: ~3/32 (9.38%)
2006-Males: ~10/36 (27.78%)
2006-Total: ~13/68 (19.12%)
2007: ~26/131 (19.85%)
2008: ~32/131 (24.43%)
2009/2010: ~30/128 (23.44%)
2013: ~60/243 (24.69%)
2018: ~50/136 (36.76%)

We basically had FIFTY Smash-characters in our last Character Battle and SIXTY in the Character Battle before -- and we've had ten of these Character Battles over almost two decades -- and yet Sheik cant make it in once? Not one time? Not even in the Female Bracket? Or when we had two hundred forty-three spots available? Or when Smash-characters made up over a third of our bracket? Or when we have like eighteen characters who only debuted here because of Smash hype? Or when Smash took over a third of the most recent contest's roster?

Get out of here. This site loves Smash and that's not going away, so Its time to allow Sheik!

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12/25/21 8:14:49 AM
#30:


Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you!

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12/30/21 1:27:56 PM
#31:


NINTENDO CHARACTERS NOT IN SMASH WHO HAVE SEEN A CONTEST:

Nintendo:
Bidoof
Magikarp
Missingno
Nidoran F
Pokemon Trainer Blue

Im taking Sheik over every one of them, just saying. Sheik has this!

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12/30/21 8:56:00 PM
#32:


SHEIK PREDICTIONS:

Heres a quick list of Sheik plus nine other playable characters in SSBU. How do you rank them?

Sheik
Donkey Kong
Fox
Ike
Yoshi
Pokemon Trainer Red
Kirby
Charizard
Sonic
Ryu

Now heres a quick list of Sheik plus six NPCs in the Smash series. How should these be ranked?

Sheik
Epona
? Block
Mega Man X
Big Boss
Alucard
Chun-Li

One more -- heres a list of Sheik plus three Nintendo characters not in the Smash series. How should they be ordered?

Sheik
Bidoof
Pokemon Trainer Blue
Missingno

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01/03/22 8:09:18 AM
#33:


LOZ-CHARACTERS IN BEFORE SHEIK:

LoZ-characters previously in matches before Sheik include:

LEGEND OF ZELDA (10):
CD-i Link
Epona
Ganondorf
Groose
Link
Midna
Tingle
Toon Link
Young Link
Zelda #DownB

We're looking at Sheik being indirectly at least the fourth strongest character in the series...and head-to-head, Sheik's beating all of them except Link. Even if Sheik went against those other versions of Link one-on-one, Sheik would beat Toon Link or Young Link!

https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/thumb/6/6f/Bouncing_Fish.jpg/300px-Bouncing_Fish.jpg

Not even the power of CD-i Link scares us away.

Sheik debuted twenty-four years ago -- lets get her in already!

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01/08/22 8:59:31 AM
#34:


TWELVE SNUBS FOR OCARINA OF TIME:

Damp
Dark Link
Darunia
Great Deku Tree
Great Fairy
Happy Mask Salesman
Lord Jabu Jabu
Malon
Navi
Phantom Ganon
Richard the Hyrule Market dog
Saria

Now don't get me wrong, I would love to rally for Richard the Hyrule Market dog as much as anybody here. Still though, out of these dozen characters, who wouldn't Sheik beat?

If you're interested in seeing what else GameFAQs's biggest Nintendo game has to offer us, we start with Sheik.


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01/11/22 8:10:13 AM
#35:


TWELVE LOZ-SNUBS OUTSIDE OF OCARINA OF TIME:

Angry Moon
Deku-Link
Four-headed dragon
Goron-Link
Link's Grandma
King of Red Lions
Ravio
Skull Kid
Tatl
Tetra
Vaati
Zora-Link

Whos missing that would be stronger? Because right now that's a bunch of Link-based characters...and Sheik would still juggle combos on them all.

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01/19/22 8:10:57 PM
#36:


TWELVE NINTENDO-SNUBS OUTSIDE OF THE LOZ-SERIES:

Abraham Lincoln
Cappy
Dr. Mario
Dark Samus
Goomba
Inkling
Kadabra
Metroid
Piranha Plant
Roy
Villager
Zero Suit Samus

Fill me in -- who's missing that'd be stronger? Because Sheik is trouncing this Nintendo competition outside of the LoZ-series as is. Even these versions of Mario and Samus don't scare us. NOT EVEN ABRAHAM LINCOLN.


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01/26/22 9:37:43 PM
#37:


TWELVE CONTEST-SNUBS OUTSIDE OF NINTENDO:

Chocobo
Colonel Roy Campbell
Death
Gray Fox
Jenova
Lulu
Metal Gear Ray
Psycho Mantis
Red XIII
Robo
Shadow (FF3/6)
Vega

Again, who's missing who'd be stronger? Because Sheik is looking pretty good against these opponents too!


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02/01/22 10:08:06 AM
#38:


PLAYABLE FIGHTING GAME CHARACTERS IN A GAMEFAQS MATCH BEFORE SHEIK:

Lets change speed a bit from series and companies to genre -- time to compare Sheik against the rest of the playable characters we've seen from fighting games:

PLAYABLE ORIGINAL FIGHTERS (25):

Akira Yuki (Virtua Fighter)
Akuma (Street Fighter, SFxT, Versus Capcom)
Chun-Li (Street Fighter, SFxT, Versus Capcom)
Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter, Versus Capcom)
Guile (Street Fighter, SFxT, Versus Capcom)
Heihachi (PlayStation All-Stars, SFxT, Tekken, Soul Calibur)
Iori Yagami (King of Fighters)
Ivy Valentine (Soul Calibur)
Jin Kazama (SFxT, Tekken)
Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
Ky Kiske (Guilty Gear)
Kyo Kusanagi (King of Fighters)
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
M. Bison (Street Fighter, SFxT)
Morrigan Aensland (Darkstalkers, Versus Capcom)
Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
Peacock (Skullgirls)
Ragna the Bloodedge (BlazBlue)
Sagat (Street Fighter, SFxT)
Scorpion (Mortal Kombat)
Siegfried (Soul Calibur)
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear)
Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
Tina Armstrong (Dead or Alive)
Yoshimitsu (Soul Calibur, SFxT, Tekken)

PLAYABLE ESTABLISHED FIGHTERS NOT IN SMASH (91):

2B (Soul Calibur)
Adol Christin (Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki)
Albert Wesker (Versus Capcom)
Alucard (Castlevania Judgment)
Amaterasu (Versus Capcom)
Amy Rose (Sonic the Fighters, Sonic Battle)
Archer (Fate/unlimited codes)
Bartz Klauser (Dissidia)
Big Daddy (PlayStation All-Stars)
Bomberman (DreamMix TV World Fighters)
Captain Viridian (Indie Pogo)
Cecil Harvey (Dissidia)
Chie Satonaka (Persona 4 Arena)
Chris Redfield (Versus Capcom)
Cirno (a Touhou fighter spin-off)
Cole McGrath (PlayStation All-Stars, SFxT)
Commander Video (Fraymakers, Indie Pogo)
Dante (PlayStation All-Stars, Versus Capcom)
Daxter (PlayStation All-Stars)
Dr. Robotnik (Sonic the Fighters)
Dracula (Castlevania Judgment)
Earthworm Jim (Clayfighter)
Estelle Bright (Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki)
Ezio Auditore da Firenze (Soul Calibur)
Frank West (Versus Capcom)
Gilgamesh (Dissidia)
Geralt (Soul Calibur)
Golbez (Dissidia)
Haseo (.hack//Versus)
Isaac [Binding of Isaac] (Blade Strangers)
Isaac Clarke (PlayStation All-Stars)
Jade Curtiss (Tales of VS.)
Jak (PlayStation All-Stars)
Jecht (Dissidia)
Jill Valentine (Versus Capcom)
Kain Highwind (Dissidia)
Kat (PlayStation All-Stars)
Kefka (Dissidia)
Kite (.hack//Versus)
Knuckles (Sonic the Fighters, Sonic Battle)
KOS-MOS (Soul Calibur)
Kratos (PlayStation All-Stars, Soul Calibur)
Kratos Aurion (Tales of VS.)
Kuja (Dissidia)
Lightning (Dissidia)
Lloyd Irving (Soul Calibur, Tales of VS.)
Locke Cole (Dissidia)
Luke fon Fabre (Tales of VS.)
Marisa Kirisame (a Touhou fighter spin-off)
Mega Man X (Versus Capcom)
Metal Sonic (Sonic the Fighters)
Mike Haggar (Versus Capcom)
Nathan Drake (PlayStation All-Stars)
Nemesis (Versus Capcom)
Noctis (Dissidia, Tekken)
PaRappa the Rapper (PlayStation All-Stars)
Phoenix Wright (Versus Capcom)
Poison (Street Fighter, SFxT)
Protoman (Power Battle)
Rayman (Brawlhalla)
Raiden (PlayStation All-Stars)
Ramza (Dissidia)
Ratchet (PlayStation All-Stars)
Reimu Hakurei (a Touhou fighter spin-off)
Rinoa Heartilly (Dissidia)
Roll (Versus Capcom)
Ryu Hayabusa (Dead or Alive)
Sackboy (PlayStation All-Stars)
Servbot (Versus Capcom)
Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic Battle)
Sheena (Tales of VS.)
Shovel Knight (Blade Strangers, Indie Pogo)
Sigma (Versus Capcom)
Sly Cooper (PlayStation All-Stars)
Squall Leonhart (Dissidia)
Strider Hiryu (Versus Capcom)
Tails (Sonic the Fighters, Sonic Battle)
Terra Branford (Dissidia)
Tidus (Dissidia)
Tifa Lockhart (Ehrgeiz)
Vaan (Dissidia)
Vergil Sparda (Versus Capcom)
Viewtiful Joe (Versus Capcom)
Vincent Valentine (Ehrgeiz)
Yu Narukami (Persona 4 Arena)
Yuna (Dissidia)
Yuri Lowell (Tales of VS.)
Zack Fair (Ehrgeiz)
Zero (Versus Capcom)
Zeus (PlayStation All-Stars)
Zidane (Dissidia)

ESTABLISHED PLAYABLE CHARACTERS IN SMASH (64):

Banjo
Bayonetta
Bowser
Captain Falcon
Captain Olimar
Charizard (+ Pokken Tournament)
Chrom
Cloud (+ Dissidia, Ehrgeiz)
Diddy Kong
Donkey Kong
Duck Hunt Dog
Falco Lombardi
Fox McCloud
Ganondorf
Ike
Isabelle
Jigglypuff
Joker
Kazuya Mishima (SFxT, Tekken)
Ken (+ Street Fighter, SFxT, Versus Capcom)
King Dedede
King K. Rool
Kirby
Link (+ Soul Calibur)
Little Mac
Lucario (+ Pokken Tournament)
Lucina
Lucas
Luigi
Mario
Marth
Mega Man (+ Versus Capcom)
Meta Knight
Mewtwo (+ Pokken Tournament)
Mr. Game & Watch
Nana
Ness
Pac-Man (+ SFxT)
Palutena
Pikachu (+ Pokken Tournament)
Pit
Pokemon Trainer Red
Princess Daisy
Princess Peach
Richter Belmont
Ridley
Rosalina
Ryu (+ Street Fighter, SFxT, Versus Capcom)
Samus Aran
Sephiroth (+ Dissidia, Ehrgeiz)
Shulk
Simon Belmont (+ DreamMix TV World Fighters, Castlevania Judgment)
Solid Snake (+ DreamMix TV World Fighters)
Sonic (+ Sonic the Fighters, Sonic Battle)
Sora
Squirtle
Steve
Terry Bogard (+ Fatal Fury)
Toon Link
Wario
Wolf O'Donnell
Yoshi
Young Link
Zelda

GRAND TOTAL: 180

Sheik stands out strength-wise here -- there arent many who can compete with her. Eight of the Noble Nine are already represented in SSBU, and after that we're not ready to pick nine other characters previously playable in a fighting game to beat her. By that metric, she beats 90% of the fighters we've ever seen before.

We also don't know another GameFAQs fighting game snub who would beat Sheik. After looking at Blade Strangers, BlazBlue, Brawlhalla, Castlevania Judgement, Clayfighter, Darkstalkers, Dead or Alive, Dissidia, DreamMix TV World Fighters, Dynasty Warriors, Ehrgeiz, Fatal Fury, Fraymakers, Guilty Gear, .hack//Versus, Indie Pogo, King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat, Persona, PlayStation All-Stars, Pokken Tournament, Power Battle, Skullgirls, Sonic Battle, Sonic the Fighters, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, Street Fighter x Tekken, Super Smash Bros., Tales of VS., Tekken, Touhou fighters, Versus Capcom, Virtua Fighter, Ys vs. Sora no Kiseki...is there a game character we haven't seen from any of these series who you would take over Sheik? Or maybe another fighting game series we haven't seen represented here yet? Really doubt it.

Nominating Sheik likely means nominating our strongest fighting genre snub, one so strong she places in the top 10% of fighting genre characters we've ever seen featured in a GameFAQs match. That seems pretty worthwhile! We just have to get her in.

Well? What are you waiting for? Sheiks ready for the fight!

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HaRRicH
02/03/22 10:43:41 AM
#39:


GAMEFAQS POLLS:

As of February 3rd, 2022, here are the GameFAQs polls referencing Sheik and Zelda in them:

Zelda - 295 results:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll?search=Zelda

Sheik - 0 results:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll?search=Sheik

So much for seeing Sheik represented here, huh?

Now, we recognize that's not a fully fair comparison. Zelda's the eponymous character in her series, so...let's just reduce that down to polls from Character Battles:

Zelda: 28 Character Battle matches
Sheik: 0 polls of any sort

We've already addressed the picture discrepancy with Zelda's matches, too

Out of at least 38 character contest-pictures:
Zelda appearances: 47+ (36+ for main focus)
Sheik appearances: 3 (1 for main focus)
Tetra appearances: 1 (0 for main focus)

so do the math however you want, but Zelda's represented Zelda by image in almost all of her match pics and by name in literally all of her poll choices.

Zelda doesn't represent Sheik. She doesn't -- she just doesn't.

If you want to see Sheik, you gotta join the operation. It's the only way -- pledge today!

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HaRRicH
02/06/22 8:43:57 PM
#40:


TRUST IN THIS RALLY:

Look, we get it -- we're asking for your support on a very difficult goal. I recognize some of you are Zelda-fans, and some of you are even Tetra-fans who are salty I'm pushing for somebody else to out-nominate Zelda. This rally is not only for your nomination of Sheik, but also for you to support Sheik potentially in spite of Zelda. #DownB

We get it if you think we cant get enough nominations to make it worth YOUR nomination too...but you need to know we CAN get enough, and your nomination IS worth it. In fact, we cant do it without you.

How do we know that? This isnt our first rodeos. Heres what weve done with our rallies to earn your faith so far:

***When HaRRicH ran the Nomination Rally Tournament:***

2009: all three winners -- Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Star Fox 64, and Donkey Kong Country 2 -- got into the game contest.

***When HaRRicH ran personal rallies:***

2009/2010: Doc Louis got into the vote-in polls thanks to Team Chocolate.
2013: Epona got an 8-seed thanks to The Stable.
2018: Metal Man got a 13-seed despite not being included in the character database thanks to the Metal Men.

Also remember you got our main man ZenOfThunder working on the case!

***When ZenOfThunder ran personal rallies:***

2013: Corvo got a 15-seed and Yoshimitsu got a 20-seed.
2018: Metal Sonic got a 5-seed despite not beginning the rally until nominations opened thanks to the Metal Army.

Notice how well our last rally around a LoZ-character did: Epona was considered a joke by many...but when the oats settled, she became an 8-seed and she out-seeded the 16-seed Zelda. Also notice that same year the 15-seeded Corvo also out-seeded Zelda. This means youve got two people who have out-seeded Zelda separately at the same time...now TEAMING UP TOGETHER to out-seed Zelda again, this time for Sheik. #DownB

Listen, every rally weve led has only worked because of other people -- we're just the guys typing too much and bumping too often before we start trading nominations. These rallies happen because of YOU believing in the cause, and we're asking you to believe again.

Well do our part. If you want a part in this too, then pledge today and well take it all the way together. Just dont doubt that its possible -- we CAN do this!

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02/11/22 10:50:08 AM
#41:


BOARD POLLS

4/14/19 to 4/25/19

What is most fair regarding Sheik's eligibility in CB11? - Results (104 votes)

Sheik should be allowed if she has enough nominations.48.08% (50 votes)

Sheik should be allowed if she out-nominates Zelda.21.15% (22 votes)

Sheik should be banned, even if she gets enough nominations AND out-nominates Zelda.30.77% (32 votes)

A list of characters who have been in both Smash and a GameFAQs

10/7/21-10/19/21

Out of the remaining SSB snubs, who would you like to see in in a contest next? - Results (98 votes)

Bowser Jr.17.35% (17 votes)
Dr. Mario10.2% (10 votes)
Inkling12.24% (12 votes)
Ivysaur4.08% (4 votes)
Luma1.02% (1 vote)
R.O.B.11.22% (11 votes)
Roy9.18% (9 votes)
Sheik19.39% (19 votes)
Villager7.14% (7 votes)
Zero Suit Samus8.16% (8 votes)

A list of characters in both fighting games and a GameFAQs contest.

10/15/2021-10/28/2021

Out of the remaining fighting game snubs, who would you like to see in in a contest next? - Results (51 votes)

Blanka (Street Fighter)19.61% (10 votes)
Christie (Dead or Alive)7.84% (4 votes)
Hwang (Soul Calibur)1.96% (1 vote)
Hwoarang (Tekken)1.96% (1 vote)
Joe Bruiser (WCW vs nWo: World Tour)1.96% (1 vote)
Kick (Dive Kick)0% (0 votes)
Latch (Lethal League)0% (0 votes)
Raiden (Mortal Kombat)35.29% (18 votes)
Sheik (Super Smash Bros.)21.57% (11 votes)
Valentine (Skullgirls)9.8% (5 votes)

We have a board poll from roughly three years ago suggesting Sheik should be fully eligible.

We have a board poll from roughly four months ago suggesting Sheik is the biggest SSB snub.

We have a board poll from roughly four months ago suggesting Sheik is the second biggest fighting game snub.

Combine these together and the suggestion is clear: get Sheik in. Nominate Sheik for CB11!

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02/18/22 2:05:03 PM
#42:


ELIGIBILITY:

We're all going to be concerned about Sheik's eligibility, so let's talk.

We do run the risk of SBAllen deciding later that only Zelda is eligible, yes. However, the revolution will not be denied by fear alone!

Here's our ultimate point about that risk: say it to our nominations after we out-nominate Zelda! If we can only have one of these two characters, then make SBAllen boot Zelda instead of Sheik. When we out-nominate Zelda, what other reason would there be to prevent Sheik's debut?

That said, we recognize were fighting against the odds -- not just to get Sheik in, but also to win in our position that Sheik should be allowed on top of Zeldas inclusion too. To understand our position, you should understand what we believe is a long-standing fallacy.

BOARD 8S FALLACY:

The common thought process here is Sheik cannot enter a contest because Sheik is Zelda and Zelda is already here, meaning Zelda represents Sheik.

That thought process doesnt satisfy us. Heres why: SBAllens history.

First, SBAllen never put Sheik in one of Zelda's Character Battle pictures before we messaged him about Sheiks eligibility. Sheik's appearance against Cloud in a Zelda-match was confusing since Sheik and Zelda have separated since SSB4. As someone who personally voted against Zelda in all of the second half of her 2018-run, I would have voted for Sheik in every single match Zelda had that contest...so it was weird to have one of my favorite characters represent a character I didn't care much for. Sheik and Zelda mean different things to other gamers too -- check any Smash-stream -- so allowing Sheik in as her own entrant will solve this confusion.

Before we messaged SBAllen about Sheik's eligibility though, she only got background cameos for Zelda once from the CJayC era. We wanted that level of representation to change by giving Sheik her own place in the bracket, and SBAllen's immediate response was to add Sheik in a Zelda match despite us saying beforehand that is not what we are asking for. Let us be clear: two rotating background shots for Zelda one day wasn't representation for Sheik then in 2006, and one rotating foreground shot for Zelda one day in 2018 isn't representation for Sheik either. Now that SBAllen went on to do what we said we hoped he wouldn't do, it's on us to let him know Zelda-matches are not a satisfying place for Smash-fans to see Sheik represented. Give her a poll, not a picture!

Let's also look at SBAllens actions regarding another series: Mega Man. SBAllen featured both Mega Man and Mega Man X in the same contests since 2008's Character Battle, which is an extension of CJayC separating Mega Man and Mega Man X since the Best Series Ever contest of 2006.

Let's compare these two pairs. Mega Man X is a form of Mega Man = Sheik is a form of Zelda. Mega Man X's play-style is significantly different from Mega Man's = Sheik's play-style is significantly different from Zelda's. SBAllen allowed Mega Man and Mega Man X to represent themselves as separate characters, and thats all we want for Sheik.

We could nitpick their differences...but really, SBAllen has proven lenient. One of his first major contest decisions was allowing a tetromino in as a character. More recently, he shared he would relax on his usual nomination rules during 2018's Character Battle regarding eligibility. This relaxation allowed Geralt to enter the contest despite the risk of opening the doors up to other fictional characters like Supermanand guess what, Superman isn't in a contest. Sheik's situation is more like Mega Man X's similarities with Mega Man than Superman's similarities with Geralt...so, respectfully, SBAllen should only care about Sheik's final nomination count like he did for Mega Man and Mega Man X. We see Sheik can be let in without opening the doors to Red Yoshi, Black Yoshi, Blue Yoshi, and Pink Yoshi.

Board 8 has jumped the gun on convincing itself Sheik is ineligible. This bad logic happened because Board 8 never considered two things: Sheik out-nominating Zelda, and Mega Man setting a different standard. SBAllen sees there is room to think about this discussion now and it's time this board does too.

Zelda. Doesn't. Represent. Sheik. Ask any Smash-tournament how different they are.

If we can have Mega Man and Mega Man X in multiple contests together across multiple types of contests, theres no reason we cant have Sheik somewhere!

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HaRRicH
02/20/22 9:48:09 AM
#43:


...aaaaand that's it. That makes the case at this point.

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02/25/22 5:42:04 PM
#44:


Getcha' some of this.

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jcgamer107
02/25/22 11:25:02 PM
#45:


I like Sheik

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StartAllOver
02/26/22 7:16:28 PM
#46:


Ehh. If Sheik made it in, Sheik would probably be...Knuckles/Ness/Pac-Man levels of strength.

Basically a notch or two, above the fodder line.

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HaRRicH
02/27/22 8:55:24 PM
#47:


Sheik would leave Knuckles stuck to the wall in a new way after a forward-smash. Ness would turn the bat on himself before wanting any part of Operation Oust. Pac-Man better hope he's eating pain-pills.

You ain't found her floor yet.

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StartAllOver
02/28/22 5:25:56 PM
#48:


I don't know about Knuckles at least. He's going to get a boost from the Sonic 2 movie.

I seriously would book Knuckles vs. Sheik in the next character battle.

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HaRRicH
03/01/22 9:09:25 AM
#49:


Knuckles is my dude, I got love for him, I expect a boost from his movie and spin-off series, and I would never wish a first or second round loss on him like if he had to face Sheik.

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03/03/22 1:30:22 PM
#50:


A good week to pledge for Sheik!

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