Current Events > Parents of Michigan school shooter charged with 4 counts of manslaughter

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Accused Oxford High School shooter Ethan Crumbley's parents, James and Jennifer Crumbley, have each been charged with four counts of homicide involuntary manslaughter.
The charges were filed in 52nd District Court in Rochester Hills, Michigan, Friday morning.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/oxford-school-shooting-michigan-12-03-21/h_0632e1efaed7ceccc8c42660da93990b

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fuck yeah baby they deserve it fucking scum all mass shooter parents should face the same fates but these parents werent cooperating at all

Good!

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Finally parents taken responsibility of their kids

Gladius_ posted...

These charges are 100% fair. They deserved it.

Yea, he had been threatening to kill other students for a while and it was known to his parents and the school. This was the entire purpose of their meeting the morning of the shootying. After reperated threats to kill his peerrs, they actually gave him a gun....

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My opinion is to charge parents of little kids but at 15 a person knows right from wrong mostly

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School should be charged too tbh

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Fony posted...

and the school.

The school needs to be held responsible, too. They returned him to the classroom

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Fony posted...

Yea, he had been threatening to kill other students for a while and it was known to his parents and the school. This was the entire purpose of their meeting the morning of the shootying. After reperated threats to kill his peerrs, they actually gave him a gun....

I didn't pay attention to all of the details of this story, but holy shit if true. They are god awful.

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the bullies need to be charged too

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Has this ever happened before? This seems significant.
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466820814720933888

So, yeah


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Mother of Michigan boy who gunned down students at a learning institution thanked Trump, who revoked Obama era gun checks for mental illness (among other policies), and "complained about parents at other schools where the 'kids come from illegal immigrant parents' and 'dont care about learning,'"

https://www.rawstory.com/ethan-crumbley/

Both of those parents are shitty fucking people

Yeah the mom in particular seems to be a colossal piece of shit.

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__aCEr__ posted...

Yeah the mom in particular seems to be a colossal piece of shit.

the father is a deadbeat dad from florida hasnt paid child support at all

Perhaps the parents should be charged, convicted and sentenced. I could make a case for it.

I want to make the point that the issue is public safety. Pillorying these parents and then going home with a feeling of accomplishment is not going to make the schools safer imo. I see all responsibility we have as citizens to make the schools safe being dumped on these two persons. It is not about them. It is about us. We need to do something. Pillorying the parents is irrelevant.

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Cant get rid of guns because conservatives so what do you suggest raise taxes to have armed guards at every school?

Consider as well that pillorying the parents sets a dangerous precedent. [Trailer Trash] parents need to be pilloried. (sub your favorite epithet)

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Cant get rid of guns because conservatives so what do you suggest raise taxes to have armed guards at every school?

Police officers at schools used to be popular but Dems have recently begun trying to get them all banned, because cops are racists

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Who posted ah alt right bootlicker

CobraGT posted...

Perhaps the parents should be charged, convicted and sentenced. I could make a case for it.

I want to make the point that the issue is public safety. Pillorying these parents and then going home with a feeling of accomplishment is not going to make the schools safer imo. I see all responsibility we have as citizens to make the schools safe being dumped on these two persons. It is not about them. It is about us. We need to do something. Pillorying the parents is irrelevant.

Wouldn't pillorying parents help reinforce securing firearms? I know I'd feel a lot safer if parents were more vigilant with their guns.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Police officers at schools used to be popular but Dems have recently begun trying to get them all banned, because cops are racists

That's quite a leap in causation... where are you getting that 'reason' from?

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Police officers at schools used to be popular but Dems have recently begun trying to get them all banned, because cops are racists

YeahUnless your at a school that is rife with trouble, there isnt going to be real cops roaming a school. Its usually private security or just rent a cops that are not even remotely trained to handle a school shooter.

Its a placebo to make people think the school is doing things. In the end they work like HR departments. What ever hurts the school is what they will try to prevent, but they cant be proactive for some reason. And they protect the schools interests first and will screw over a kid in the process as collateral damage.

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Good. More of this, please. Its obvious they were loose with weapons around him. He was flaunting it on instagram. I doubt he broke into a super safe gun safe to do that.

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Ruvan22 posted...

That's quite a leap in causation... where are you getting that 'reason' from?

His ass.

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CobraGT posted...

Consider as well that pillorying the parents sets a dangerous precedent. [Trailer Trash] parents need to be pilloried. (sub your favorite epithet)

in this case it seems like the parents enabled and encouraged the behavior. if that's the case, it makes sense to charge them.

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sabrestorm posted...

My opinion is to charge parents of little kids but at 15 a person knows right from wrong mostly

Agreed. Also are they sure that both parents are really to blame? What if it was the father's gun, and the handling and taking care of it was solely his responsibility? Their spouse suffers legally because of it too? Seems unfair and like they are just targeting both parents to just to try and comfort the families and friends of the victims.

Number090684 posted...

Agreed. Also are they sure that both parents are really to blame? What if it was the father's gun, and the handling and taking care of it was solely his responsibility? Their spouse suffers legally because of it too? Seems unfair and like they are just targeting both parents to just to try and comfort the families and friends of the victims.

theyre minors and the parents are responsible for them. Lock up your guns. Its not that hard.


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Number090684 posted...

Agreed. Also are they sure that both parents are really to blame? What if it was the father's gun, and the handling and taking care of it was solely his responsibility? Their spouse suffers legally because of it too? Seems unfair and like they are just targeting both parents to just to try and comfort the families and friends of the victims.

Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466820814720933888

So, yeah

STFU

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Ruvan22 posted...

That's quite a leap in causation... where are you getting that 'reason' from?

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/881608999/why-theres-a-push-to-get-police-out-of-schools

At least two-thirds of American high school students attend a school with a police officer, according to the Urban Institute, and that proportion is higher for students of color. Now, the national uprising for racial justice has led to a push to remove police officers from security positions inside schools. School systems in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Denver, Portland, Ore., and two districts in the Bay Area have all moved in recent weeks to suspend or phase out ties with police.

Jesse Hagopian, a teacher and activist in Seattle, says removing police from schools has been a key demand of the Black Lives Matter movement for years.

"The presence of police in schools, I believe, is fueled by a dehumanization of children of color, which suggests that there needs to be a constant surveillance of these children in schools."

In the past, parents have largely supported the presence of armed officers in schools, and until recently so have teacher unions. That changed on June 18, when the American Federation of Teachers, one of the country's largest teacher unions, passed a resolution calling for the separation of school safety and policing.

"There isn't much evidence indicating that police officers in schools make schools safer," says Dominique Parris of the research organization Child Trends. "What they do do is increase the likelihood that Black and brown children are going to be involved in the legal system early and often."

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Normally, such a thing would seem like too much of a stretch in culpability, but these parents seem to be exceptionally shitty people so it might actually stick.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Police officers at schools used to be popular but Dems have recently begun trying to get them all banned, because cops are racists

Imagine being a bootlicker and thinking police at schools is a good thing. It might deter students shooting other students, but now you've invited trigger happy psychopaths to the school.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Imagine being a bootlicker and thinking police at schools is a good thing. It might deter students shooting other students, but now you've invited trigger happy psychopaths to the school.

We have a definite per capita problem with police, but please don't act as if police murdering civilians is actually likely to happen to anyone.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/881608999/why-theres-a-push-to-get-police-out-of-schools

At least two-thirds of American high school students attend a school with a police officer, according to the Urban Institute, and that proportion is higher for students of color. Now, the national uprising for racial justice has led to a push to remove police officers from security positions inside schools. School systems in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Denver, Portland, Ore., and two districts in the Bay Area have all moved in recent weeks to suspend or phase out ties with police.

Jesse Hagopian, a teacher and activist in Seattle, says removing police from schools has been a key demand of the Black Lives Matter movement for years.

"The presence of police in schools, I believe, is fueled by a dehumanization of children of color, which suggests that there needs to be a constant surveillance of these children in schools."

In the past, parents have largely supported the presence of armed officers in schools, and until recently so have teacher unions. That changed on June 18, when the American Federation of Teachers, one of the country's largest teacher unions, passed a resolution calling for the separation of school safety and policing.

"There isn't much evidence indicating that police officers in schools make schools safer," says Dominique Parris of the research organization Child Trends. "What they do do is increase the likelihood that Black and brown children are going to be involved in the legal system early and often."

I'm surprised Ruvan even asked you about that. It's been a talking point for awhile.

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The circumstances here are unusual so all of your opinions on the responsibility of parents and school are worthless. The school and his parents are both criminally liable for his crime. There is no grey area here at all, nothing to discuss or consider. They knew what he planned to do for sure and the parents joked about it and actually empowered/enabled it by getting him the weapon. The school did not remove, suspend or discipline him despite communicating these threats, and there have been measures in place for this sort of thing for years now in every school.

School took no action, parents were literally accessories, they may as well have joined him in the actual shooting.

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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466820814720933888

So, yeah

holy shit fuck these parents. throw the book at 'em

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CobraGT posted...

Perhaps the parents should be charged, convicted and sentenced. I could make a case for it.

I want to make the point that the issue is public safety. Pillorying these parents and then going home with a feeling of accomplishment is not going to make the schools safer imo. I see all responsibility we have as citizens to make the schools safe being dumped on these two persons. It is not about them. It is about us. We need to do something. Pillorying the parents is irrelevant.

I don't agree with that. I've been saying for well over a decade we need to start holding accountable whoever the gun is registered to or whoever allowed access to the gun used in a mass shooting. Start doing that and watch sales of gun safes/locks go up and shootings go down.

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Just going to leave these here
https://www.chalkbeat.org/2019/2/14/21121037/new-studies-point-to-a-big-downside-for-schools-bringing-in-more-police

While some argue that these efforts are increasingly necessary, others point out that school shootings are rare and fear that more security will backfire making schools less conducive to learning and making it more likely for students of color to be funneled into the criminal justice system.

Now, two new academic studies provide strong evidence that some of those concerns are valid. Both released this week and looking at large groups of students, they are among the first research to directly link more police to worse academic outcomes for students.

In one case, adding police to Texas schools led to declines in high school graduation rates and college enrollment rates. Another found that more police in New York City neighborhoods hurt the test scores of black male students.

The results of both those studies, for us, put numbers to what we already know and what the experiences of young people are, said Maria Fernandez, a senior campaign strategist for the Advancement Project, which advocates for less punitive discipline in schools.

The papers strongly suggest that police are the cause of those negative outcomes, though they arent definitive proof. And they dont tell us anything about whether the police made schools safer overall. Still, they underscore how efforts to do so can have unintended consequences.

https://thecrimereport.org/2020/09/28/police-in-schools-is-detrimental-to-students-report/

Their key finding was that schools with police present reported 3.5 times more arrests as schools without police. However, the majority of reported crimes were for low-level school-related offenses, not for criminal acts.

Because of the police officers overbearing presence in schools, the researchers found that students attending school with SROs had higher mental health struggles and lower graduation rates, and fewer students progressing onto college, the report outlined.
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After looking at data from focus groups with SROs from 16 school districts across Massachusetts, the researchers found considerable evidence that Black and brown students were disproportionately singled out for arrests and criminal citations for offenses that were minor and isolated to school incidents, suggesting that they would be better handled through the schools disciplinary channels directly instead of through local law enforcement, the report detailed.

Moreover, the researchers found this disproportionality was increased when it came to minority students with disabilities.

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Good.

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This should've been happening a long time ago

Houston posted...

I'm surprised Ruvan even asked you about that. It's been a talking point for awhile.

And it's correct anyways. Go concern troll elsewhere.
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• Gun owners do not really lock up their guns. In any case, this was HIS GUN. His father just acted as the buyer since it was not legal for him to do it. He didn't steal a gun and it is hard to prove neglegence on the parents part. If you have a son who is a teen you will definitely teach him to shoot and let them know how to access the gun, as he may need to defend his house, himself or his family with it.
• Cops in schools do not help much. Number one, they hide/run from school shooters themselves. Also, they tend to be bullies and enforce Karen level policy like beating up kids who take two milks or owe lunch debt, and chioking out kids who talk back to administrators. I grew up in Queens, Ny and worked in the Hempstead School District(real life version of the war zone schools from movies like Dangerous Minds). The cops did nothing and don't care. We had legit gang wars, cops just called the local PD and hid behind locked doors. They do not even break up fights. Also, the schools where these shootings happen most are usually either mostly or slight majority white, and completely devoid of any conversation about stationing police there....so how does this talking point and blaming liberals/BLM do anything? Factually, one of the only schools where these things happen that had an actual cop was stationed at, the guy HID until the shooting stopped and the local PD moved in.

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PoundGarden posted...

I don't agree with that. I've been saying for well over a decade we need to start holding accountable whoever the gun is registered to or whoever allowed access to the gun used in a mass shooting. Start doing that and watch sales of gun safes/locks go up and shootings go down.

You'd have to be able to prove the person was being irresponsible with gun storage, which is going to be fairly hard. It's not like safes are unpickable or unbreakable either. If it can be clearly proven that the assailant had unrestricted access to the gun, then charges could be feasible depending on circumstances.

While we're at it, charge every person who supplies a mass shooter with their weapon as an accessory to the crime (unless it was bought legally through a licensed dealer with proper background checks, etc.)

Ruvan22 posted...

That's quite a leap in causation... where are you getting that 'reason' from?

not to mention the numerous shootings that occurred at schools with police officers where it clearly did nothing to stop them, just to pile on with the rest of the people shitting on his fridge temp iq take

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Nemu posted...

You'd have to be able to prove the person was being irresponsible gun storage, which is going to be fairly hard. It's not like safes are unpickable or unbreakable either. If it can be clearly proven that the assailant had unrestricted access to the gun, then charges could be feasible depending on circumstances.

That's fair, can't hold someone accountable if someone drills the safe or whatever. But if they're just leaving it on a shelf in their bedroom closet, that ain't gonna cut it imo, charge them. Definitely needs to be a case by case basis with some minimum threshold for accountability.

I wanted to say extend background checks insofar as if any household member has a mental illness or charge that would prevent someone from owning a gun, then no member of that household can keep a gun in that household.

But then I figured that would just make shitty parents less likely to get their kid help for fear of losing their gun rights. And Republicans would fight it tooth and just repeal it next time they're in power.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/881608999/why-theres-a-push-to-get-police-out-of-schools

At least two-thirds of American high school students attend a school with a police officer, according to the Urban Institute, and that proportion is higher for students of color. Now, the national uprising for racial justice has led to a push to remove police officers from security positions inside schools. School systems in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Denver, Portland, Ore., and two districts in the Bay Area have all moved in recent weeks to suspend or phase out ties with police.

Jesse Hagopian, a teacher and activist in Seattle, says removing police from schools has been a key demand of the Black Lives Matter movement for years.

"The presence of police in schools, I believe, is fueled by a dehumanization of children of color, which suggests that there needs to be a constant surveillance of these children in schools."

In the past, parents have largely supported the presence of armed officers in schools, and until recently so have teacher unions. That changed on June 18, when the American Federation of Teachers, one of the country's largest teacher unions, passed a resolution calling for the separation of school safety and policing.

"There isn't much evidence indicating that police officers in schools make schools safer," says Dominique Parris of the research organization Child Trends. "What they do do is increase the likelihood that Black and brown children are going to be involved in the legal system early and often."

So that's one person speaking on behalf of BLM - your post was that the reason Dems pushed to remove cops was because of 'racism'

The parents are now on the run

wow

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Death penalty.

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