Poll of the Day > Made my mom cry because I said someone wasn't a hero for dying in the military.

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THEGODDAMNBATMA
09/27/21 12:09:37 AM
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Someone we know who was in the military died. Parents keep on talking about how much of a hero he was.

Except, he wasn't. He literally enlisted a few months ago. He died on his way to deploy, he never saw any action. He arguably was never even in the military.

Made my Mom cry because I said he wasn't a hero because he literally did nothing.
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Zeus
09/27/21 12:11:50 AM
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If BS0 was here, he'd be shouting about "treason!"

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...
He literally enlisted a few months ago. He died on his way to deploy, he never saw any action. He arguably was never even in the military.

Meaning he literally died in service?

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THEGODDAMNBATMA
09/27/21 12:14:02 AM
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Zeus posted...
If BS0 was here, he'd be shouting about "treason!"

Meaning he literally died in service?
Legitimately think he died in a freak car accident on his way to the base.
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faramir77
09/27/21 12:18:30 AM
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Maybe a bit insensitive to actually say it, but yeah.

On a related note:

https://youtu.be/MCaljpu1bW4

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Greenfox111
09/27/21 12:19:24 AM
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There are just some things best kept to yourself my man

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DevilSummoner1
09/27/21 12:19:29 AM
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This happened

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Kanatteru
09/27/21 12:20:40 AM
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i'd argue that never seeing combat actually makes him more of a hero

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Zeus
09/27/21 12:26:07 AM
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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...
Legitimately think he died in a freak car accident on his way to the base.

His own personal vehicle or was he riding in a military vehicle (or with other service members)?


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Zareth
09/27/21 12:31:37 AM
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Kanatteru posted...
i'd argue that never seeing combat actually makes him more of a hero


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Lynyrd_Skynyrd
09/27/21 12:34:29 AM
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Greenfox111 posted...
There are just some things best kept to yourself my man
This. Was he a hero? No. But you don't have to say that.
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wwinterj25
09/27/21 1:07:56 AM
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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...
Someone we know who was in the military died. Parents keep on talking about how much of a hero he was.

When someone dies some folk act like the person was loved, a good person and give them nothing but praise yet the reality is far from that. I also don't believe joining a army makes you a hero. My uncle wasn't and certainly isn't now. He isn't dead but even if he died I'd say the same.

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Zeus
09/27/21 2:19:30 AM
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wwinterj25 posted...
When someone dies some folk act like the person was loved, a good person and give them nothing but praise yet the reality is far from that. I also don't believe joining a army makes you a hero. My uncle wasn't and certainly isn't now. He isn't dead but even if he died I'd say the same.

jfc, who would thought winter would be so cold... oh wait.

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11110111011
09/27/21 5:55:05 AM
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He may not be a hero but you are certainly an asshole.
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Cacciato
09/27/21 7:30:57 AM
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faramir77 posted...
Maybe a bit insensitive to actually say it, but yeah.

On a related note:

https://youtu.be/MCaljpu1bW4
Thats one of my favorite bits of his. You should check out his Seth Meyers interview from the other day.
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SaltyAndSweet
09/27/21 7:38:18 AM
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Stop making your mom cry

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adjl
09/27/21 7:47:07 AM
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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...
Legitimately think he died in a freak car accident on his way to the base.

I'm not sure how them military would count that, but accidents account for more military fatalities than people like to think:

https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/report_number_serve.xhtml

From 2000-2010, 7 of those 11 years saw more deaths due to accidents than hostile action. The military doesn't exactly have the best safety record even if you look past the "getting shot at" thing.

That said, if calling him a "hero" helps people mourn, you should just let them do that, at least in the immediate aftermath of his death. There's nothing to be gained by correcting them, meaning you'll be upsetting them for really no reason.

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Lokarin
09/27/21 7:53:22 AM
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Well, he had either the bravery, gumption or nobility to join public service... so that's at least something. If that's a hero to some people, in, like, the firefighters are heroes sense... then, sure, he's a hero

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BUMPED2002
09/27/21 8:01:19 AM
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In my book, you're a hero if you join the military.

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PK_Spam
09/27/21 8:05:02 AM
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Kanatteru posted...
i'd argue that never seeing combat actually makes him more of a hero


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SaltyAndSweet
09/27/21 8:08:26 AM
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BUMPED2002 posted...
In my book, you're a hero if you join the military.

was hitler a hero? How about people that join the military and rape other soldiers or beat their spouse/kids?

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lihlih
09/27/21 8:14:38 AM
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SaltyAndSweet posted...


was hitler a hero? How about people that join the military and rape other soldiers or beat their spouse/kids?


My friend used to be Security Forces(MP for the Air Force), and he told me that vast majority of his calls were for domestic abuse. So yeah, military people are mostly assholes, and the fact that they're treated as heroes gives them a big head and makes things worse.
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LinkPizza
09/27/21 8:19:10 AM
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lihlih posted...
So yeah, military people are mostly assholes, and the fact that they're treated as heroes gives them a big head and makes things worse.

I disagree. Some of them are asshole. Many of them are just normal people living their lives
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Blighboy
09/27/21 8:36:04 AM
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SaltyAndSweet posted...
was hitler a hero? How about people that join the military and rape other soldiers or beat their spouse/kids?
Yes to all, respect troops.

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Far-Queue
09/27/21 8:45:19 AM
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While I'm sure a lot of MP calls are for domestic abuse, calls to those homes make up a tiny fraction of base population. Saying they're "mostly assholes" based off that is dumb.

The notion that most servicemembers let public adulation go to their head is dumb, too. There are certainly self-important servicemembers and veterans, but again they make up a fraction of the whole. Pretty stupid to misalign an entire group of people over gross generalization and assumptions based on shitty data.

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lihlih
09/27/21 9:42:16 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
While I'm sure a lot of MP calls are for domestic abuse, calls to those homes make up a tiny fraction of base population. Saying they're "mostly assholes" based off that is dumb.

The notion that most servicemembers let public adulation go to their head is dumb, too. There are certainly self-important servicemembers and veterans, but again they make up a fraction of the whole. Pretty stupid to misalign an entire group of people over gross generalization and assumptions based on shitty data.


Except I am an Army vet, and I can attest that most servicemembers are assholes, and do let the fact that people think they're heroes go to their head.
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LinkPizza
09/27/21 10:08:29 AM
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lihlih posted...
Except I am an Army vet, and I can attest that most servicemembers are assholes, and do let the fact that people think they're heroes go to their head.

And Im currently in the Air Force and can attest that most are not
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Far-Queue
09/27/21 10:21:07 AM
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lmao you spent like a week in the military that hardly makes you a veteran, Mr Stolen Valor getting kicked out early on purpose

People like Link, Cacciato, and myself are veterans who spent real time in the military and know what we're talking about. You should probably stick to what you know, which clearly isn't the military

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lihlih
09/27/21 10:34:21 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
lmao you spent like a week in the military that hardly makes you a veteran, Mr Stolen Valor getting kicked out early on purpose

People like Link, Cacciato, and myself are veterans who spent real time in the military and know what we're talking about. You should probably stick to what you know, which clearly isn't the military


Stolen valor? Do you even know what that means? Don't be jelly just because I got out early and is making way more money than you.
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Far-Queue
09/27/21 10:40:27 AM
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Sure do know what it means, which is why I used it.

You claim to be a veteran based off of your incomplete service time. You may have completed the 6 months active service or whatever that's required to attain veteran "status", but you failed to complete your service.

You are one of those people you're bitching about letting their service status go to their head lmao. You want to reap the accolades attached to being a veteran without having done any of the work. That's sad and pathetic, and hypocritical

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lihlih
09/27/21 10:56:07 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Sure do know what it means, which is why I used it.

You claim to be a veteran based off of your incomplete service time. You may have completed the 6 months active service or whatever that's required to attain veteran "status", but you failed to complete your service.

You are one of those people you're bitching about letting their service status go to their head lmao. You want to reap the accolades attached to being a veteran without having done any of the work. That's sad and pathetic, and hypocritical


Except I completed 3 years, I only got out 1 year earlier. I also only bring up the fact that I was a vet because it's relevant to the topic, so you're making assumptions on shit you have no knowledge about. You're just like most of the vets and active duty I try not to associate myself with.
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11110111011
09/27/21 10:59:17 AM
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Hah, apparently you can't call an asshole an asshole here.
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Cacciato
09/27/21 11:19:57 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
Sure do know what it means, which is why I used it.

You claim to be a veteran based off of your incomplete service time. You may have completed the 6 months active service or whatever that's required to attain veteran "status", but you failed to complete your service.

You are one of those people you're bitching about letting their service status go to their head lmao. You want to reap the accolades attached to being a veteran without having done any of the work. That's sad and pathetic, and hypocritical
I dont know how long he was in for, but I do know he intentionally turned into a fat kid so he could fail weight/tape and get chattered out.

Anyways, as someone who was an MP and mainly worked night shift when I was on road duty, a majority of my calls were for domestic violence. Its one of the biggest contributors to how I knew I didnt want to go anywhere near civilian law enforcement as a career. But like Far Queue said, its such a small overall percentage its stupid to try and generalize the overall military. Doesnt really surprise me that the guy that got the boot thought everyone else was an asshole.
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Far-Queue
09/27/21 11:41:21 AM
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Cacciato posted...
Doesnt really surprise me that the guy that got the boot thought everyone else was an asshole.
It's been mentioned several times in the past that others here have served. It's as though he lives in this fantasy bubble where he thinks that his part-time "experience" in the military can go unquestioned, as though others here who have served good time can't see through the dumb bullshit.

It's closing in on gimmick-level dipshittery at this point

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THEGODDAMNBATMA
09/27/21 12:33:48 PM
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I lied by the way. I just wanted to see y'all fight.
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lihlih
09/27/21 12:51:09 PM
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Cacciato posted...

I dont know how long he was in for, but I do know he intentionally turned into a fat kid so he could fail weight/tape and get chattered out.

Anyways, as someone who was an MP and mainly worked night shift when I was on road duty, a majority of my calls were for domestic violence. Its one of the biggest contributors to how I knew I didnt want to go anywhere near civilian law enforcement as a career. But like Far Queue said, its such a small overall percentage its stupid to try and generalize the overall military. Doesnt really surprise me that the guy that got the boot thought everyone else was an asshole.


Damn, it's like you and that Far guy can't let go that I got kicked out on purpose and making more money than you guys. Just let it go, I know you wasted like 11 years of your life serving the shittyass Army and can't accept the fact that I was smarter than you, got out earlier while keeping my benefits, and is making more money than you.
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CoorsLight
09/27/21 12:54:10 PM
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Guy talks about other people being assholes, pulls "I'm smarter and make more money" card
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Muscles
09/27/21 12:56:01 PM
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Imagine being proud of being a rat that manipulates his way out of commitments

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Far-Queue
09/27/21 12:58:38 PM
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THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...
I lied by the way. I just wanted to see y'all fight.
lmao

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LinkPizza
09/27/21 12:58:44 PM
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lihlih posted...
Damn, it's like you and that Far guy can't let go that I got kicked out on purpose and making more money than you guys. Just let it go, I know you wasted like 11 years of your life serving the shittyass Army and can't accept the fact that I was smarter than you, got out earlier while keeping my benefits, and is making more money than you.

Nobody is jealous of you. Half the time, no one is even sure if they believe the stuff you say. So people wouldnt be jealous of a jerk like you
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SaltyAndSweet
09/27/21 1:00:40 PM
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lihlih posted...
can't let go that I got kicked out on purpose and making more money than you guys.

do you not realize how much of a total piece of shit this makes you sound like? Youre basically bragging about being just the worst and most insufferable kind of person

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wwinterj25
09/27/21 1:24:34 PM
#41:


BUMPED2002 posted...
In my book, you're a hero if you join the military.
A hero for carrying on war that is most part is senseless. The military and other other groups of war are not something I'd be proud of. If folk want to join the military that's their call but calling them a hero isn't what I'd do.

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lihlih
09/27/21 1:32:26 PM
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SaltyAndSweet posted...


do you not realize how much of a total piece of shit this makes you sound like? Youre basically bragging about being just the worst and most insufferable kind of person


Sounds like the jelly in you is stopping you from making sense. Why don't you stop being jelly and then try to make points that actually makes sense.
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Cacciato
09/27/21 1:35:10 PM
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lihlih posted...
Damn, it's like you and that Far guy can't let go that I got kicked out on purpose and making more money than you guys. Just let it go, I know you wasted like 11 years of your life serving the shittyass Army and can't accept the fact that I was smarter than you, got out earlier while keeping my benefits, and is making more money than you.
I dont know how thats what you take from the post. I did 5 years and now I have cake federal job. If I wanted to move and drive a shitter truck through oil fields then anyone can go make money.
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CoorsLight
09/27/21 2:04:10 PM
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Idk man Mead doesn't even work, which sounds much more enjoyable to me than making a lot of money but having to work
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lihlih
09/27/21 2:43:59 PM
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Cacciato posted...

I dont know how thats what you take from the post. I did 5 years and now I have cake federal job. If I wanted to move and drive a shitter truck through oil fields then anyone can go make money.


I've never driven a shitter truck, and I haven't worked in the oilfield for about 3 years now. How funny that you and Far always get shit wrong, proving my point most vets and active service members assume shit and are wrong pretty much all the time.

I did get the years you served wrong, and I do own up to that, I could've sworn you said 11 years at one point, but oh well. The thing about this and you and Far is that the years you served really don't make much of a difference, and at least I can own up to my mistakes unlike you and Far, always making some bullshit up on why you're right when you guys are never right about anything.
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adjl
09/27/21 2:45:38 PM
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lihlih posted...
How funny that you and Far always get s*** wrong, proving my point most vets and active service members assume s*** and are wrong pretty much all the time.

N=2 doesn't exactly give you results you can generalize.

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lihlih
09/27/21 3:00:40 PM
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adjl posted...


N=2 doesn't exactly give you results you can generalize.


Except it's not just them. If you lived in a military city like Killeen, El Paso, etc... , or served in the military, you'd understand.
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adjl
09/27/21 3:04:31 PM
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lihlih posted...
Except it's not just them. If you lived in a military city like Killeen, El Paso, etc... , or served in the military, you'd understand.

But that's not what you said. You said that those two proved your point, which is very different from saying that those two comprise part of the larger body of evidence that proves your point.

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Far-Queue
09/27/21 3:07:17 PM
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SaltyAndSweet posted...
do you not realize how much of a total piece of shit this makes you sound like? Youre basically bragging about being just the worst and most insufferable kind of person
Textbook little dick energy.

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ReturnOfFa
09/27/21 3:13:22 PM
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HE'S A HERO

i mean not quite

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