Board 8 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 8 > 7 > 6 > 1 > 2 >> 9

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easy one probably. also maybe controversial

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dragon quest

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i've never seen DQ8 hate

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I disagree with your Star Wars ranking but I can understand it, at least.

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yeah star wars for this makes sense

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I didn't think people hated season 8 of 24

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a controversial, yet brave, Final Fantasy ranking

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Season 5 just might be my favourite season of Seinfeld too.


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If this is Star Wars, the entire "3 > 8 > 7 > 6" line is backwards

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yeah star wars. Last Jedi was good fight me. Nothing will ever beat the one-two punch of ANH and ESB though

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I think Id swap 6 and 8, otherwise I agree. Good to see 9 where it belongs.

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Yeah just push 3 down two spaces and I definitely agree although in my opinion 2 and 9 are pretty close to each other. 9 is more technically competent than 2 but 2 is actually telling a story while 9 is just entirely hollow throughout.

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Pretty different from mine. The only good thing about the new ones is the fancier visuals imo. Theyre all bad after IV on my ranking though

V > VI > III > IV > II > I > VII > IX >= VIII

That's a pretty standard Star Wars ranking. It's just 6 is lower than normal
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8 was so bad I never bothered to watch any of the ones that came out after it

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8 is a trash compactor fire

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_SJimW_ posted...

If this is Star Wars, the entire "3 > 8 > 7 > 6" line is backwards

If this is Star Wars, the entire "8 >" part is wrong.

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8 is the best star wars movie.

Its also the least star wars of all the movies so I get why people don't like it.

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That's probably hyperbole

I would honestly go

5>8>4>6>3>7>1>2>Holiday Special > 9

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Accel_R8 posted...

yeah star wars. Last Jedi was good fight me. Nothing will ever beat the one-two punch of ANH and ESB though

It's not the Last Jedi being good, it's Revenge of the Sith being better than both RotJ and all of the sequels when it's still very fundamentally flawed

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yeah id push 3 down a few notches on my ranking

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I understand ranking Revenge really high, even if I don't agree with it myself. I'd swap it with Return and this would be my ranking too.

Alright, swap Attack of the Clones with Phantom Menace too.

I'd probably have the same ranking but just move 6 above 8. It's been a long time since I've seen some of these movies though so my memory is a bit fuzzy

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My ranking is decently close to this, but as bad as 9 was, it's still leagues above Episodes 1 and 2.

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StartTheMachine posted...

My ranking is decently close to this, but as bad as 9 was, it's still leagues above Episodes 1 and 2.

While the presentation was poor, the underlying story the prequels were telling was vastly superior to 9s bullshit.

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I honestly think I will die before I see another AAA movie with a directorial decision as bad as bringing back a dead major character in a Fortnite crossover

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masterplum posted...

I honestly think I will die before I see another AAA movie with a directorial decision as bad as bringing back a dead major character in a Fortnite crossover

was that actually Abrams decision?

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redrocket posted...

was that actually Abrams decision?

If it wasnt, then his decision was to bring back the emperor in the opening title scroll.

Which is nearly as bad

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Considering what a waste all of the ST characters are bringing back anyone would be better. While were at it wheres my Mace Windu series? No body no death as they say

redrocket posted...

While the presentation was poor, the underlying story the prequels were telling was vastly superior to 9s bullshit.

I can kind of agree to this. The problem is the acting and the dialogue are what you're experiencing while actually watching the movie. And those are both just so so god awful in 1 and 2. There is zero reason I would ever watch 1 and 2 again (besides a few particular scenes, they mostly never reach "so bad it's good" territory, unfortunately), whereas 9 isn't a complete chore to actually watch, just a clusterfuck when you think about it.

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Honestly I've been wanting to rewatch Episode IX on Disney+ for a while and I'm just trying to psych myself into watching it okay

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StartTheMachine posted...

I can kind of agree to this. The problem is the acting and the dialogue are what you're experiencing while actually watching the movie. And those are both just so so god awful in 1 and 2. There is zero reason I would ever watch 1 and 2 again (besides a few particular scenes, they mostly never reach "so bad it's good" territory, unfortunately), whereas 9 isn't a complete chore to actually watch, just a clusterfuck when you think about it.

I mean is the writing actually why you are going to watch the movie?

The one really good criticism of 8 is acknowledging that while it is a great movie, it doesn't remotely feel like a star wars movie.

Episode 1 is the complete polar opposite. The writing is bad. The acting is bad, but it is 100% through and through a true starwars movie. Cool saber fights, crazy creatures and locations, 100% unquestionable good guys fighting 100% unquestionable bad guys (If Darth Maul isn't the most obvious looking bad guy in cinematic history I don't know who is)

I think the reason 9 was so terrible is that it was both a bad movie AND a bad starwars movie, and I think its the only movie of all 9 to pull off that feat.(Though 2 comes fairly close)

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That's an interesting perspective, plum, and totally accurate, I think. But I also feel like that's a little overbearing and implicitly implying that Star Wars movies have to have all of those things. There's nothing wrong with a franchise subverting expectations. Personally for me, Episode 8 largely succeeds at doing this well (certainly not with making Luke an old grump though).

That said, episodes 1 and 2 are both bad movies and bad Star Wars movies. But I think what you meant is they "are" Star Wars movies, moreso than something like 8.

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5 > 4 > 8 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 9

5 and 4 are all-time classics, 8 is a fantastic modern blockbuster with some pacing issues that operates as a questionable Star Wars film, 6 and 7 are both fun films that stay too close to a formula, 3 is fine enough, 1 and 2 are both mediocre while 9 is a total disaster.


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masterplum posted...

The one really good criticism of 8 is acknowledging that while it is a great movie, it doesn't remotely feel like a star wars movie.

I feel like this is how I feel about Rogue One, though great feels a little strong.

Episode 8 I honestly can't imagine what makes it "great." Even if the problems it has don't bother you, it's generic blockbuster popcorn tripe at best. There's nothing deep or compelling about it.

I feel like anyone who thinks it's great has a fundamental problem with the Star Wars franchise and is just cheering for anything that tries to do something different with it, which I mean, fine, but why not just watch any number of other movies out there if you don't want Star Wars. Other movies that aren't Star Wars movies are much better at not being Star Wars than Star Wars is.

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Lopen posted...

I feel like this is how I feel about Rogue One, though great feels a little strong.

Episode 8 I honestly can't imagine what makes it "great." Even if the problems it has don't bother you, it's generic blockbuster popcorn tripe at best. There's nothing deep or compelling about it.

I feel like anyone who thinks it's great has a fundamental problem with the Star Wars franchise and is just cheering for anything that tries to do something different with it, which I mean, fine, but why not just watch any number of other movies out there if you don't want Star Wars. Other movies that aren't Star Wars movies are much better at not being Star Wars than Star Wars is.

I don't think it's generic at all unless you're only considering the narrative. Of the many blockbusters I have seen, few are as technically impressive as Last Jedi. Rian Johnson knows how to shoot a movie, and the cinematography is the best the franchise has ever seen.

Star Wars in general is based around a rather generic premise. I don't get why people act like the plot has ever been the selling point.

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I don't hate it but 3 is very high, 6 seems undervalued and 9 is a little bit too low (it's at least better than 1 and/or 2 for crying out loud)

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9 is so much more painful to watch than any other

halfway through my first watch I just wanted it to end but it kept getting worse and worse

like yeah I've fallen asleep during 2 multiple times but hey Jango Fett chase

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"Cinematography" is just a way to say popcorn tripe while trying to give off the impression that what you're saying is important.

I don't deny it looks nice, but what is an empty shell that looks nice? You can glitz up a turd all you want but it's not a turd. There's no charm to the writing or characters or setting to really latch onto and care about, so the cinematography is wasted. Maybe it's a great film to watch if you're in film school and you want to learn, but it's not a great movie to watch as a consumer. It's a passable filler movie, maybe-- if someone wants to say it's good, fine, I respect that. I like a lot of movies that I'm sure people think are hot garbage, but my standards for "great" are higher than that. I can't imagine why you'd ever think that movie is great.

Star Wars as a franchise isn't generic-- it's a trend setter that became generic over time due to imitators galore. Yes the plot on paper is simple, but simple doesn't mean generic. The attention to the richness and consistency of the setting and lore and a focus on character interactions and development, that is the primary thing that makes Star Wars Star Wars.

The prequel trilogy was a mess on a technical level, but manages to keep the "soul" of what made Star Wars Star Wars to begin with. The settings all have their unique flair, and at its core you're following the development of the major characters and their place in the history of the world.

The sequel trilogy is completely fine even good at times on a technical level, but comes off as an imitation to what Star Wars is. It's a bunch of retreads, and what is new just doesn't really feel quirky enough. At its core it's not a movie about the characters or the locations/lore-- those are just props to tell a story that isn't really that interesting to begin with, and it shows.

To put it in an extra nerdy way, if Star Wars were used as a basis for a tabletop RPG setting I'd be excited to see concepts from the prequel trilogy used to help tell the story they wanted to tell. The sequel trilogy I can't think of a single thing-- it would just have me thinking "okay, but why not just make something new up, or use something from the original trilogy instead"?

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it's weird to pretend past Star Wars is just as generic as ST when ST straight-up resets the plot to what OT started with and does blow-for-blow retreads of PT & OT plotlines with a few "what if" scenarios where ST chooses Route B instead of Route A when it never needed to go that direction at all

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And if you want something new that actually succeeds at feeling like something out of Star Wars watch The Mandalorian

I think that's the only Star Wars thing since Revenge of the Sith that feels like proper care was taken with it to feel at home in the lore. I really appreciate that it exists because it makes me realize that no this isn't all nostalgia goggles-- there's something fundamentally missing from all the movies since, but that with the right writing you can definitely touch on it without making it painful to watch like the PT trilogy was at times.

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8 is definitely underrated. People hated that they took risks and tried to do something a little different, so with 9 they went back to the formula. And then people complained about that, too. There's no pleasing the fans here.

5 > 4 > 6 > 8 > R1 >>> 3 > 7 >>> 9 > 1 >>> 2

I'd really only say that 2 is a truly bad movie, and that 1 and 9 were... "Disappointing." There's a reason the Machete Order skips 1 and says "If you really wanna know what happened, just take five minutes to listen to Weird Al's "The Saga Begins" instead." With 9, it's just that Disney was forcing Abrams to rush it, which in turn caused the end product to suffer. He even said that if he'd been given another four months that the end product would've been entirely different (and probably better than the uninspired movie we got).

The OG trilogy is the most fun and set the formula straight. 7 felt like a reboot that was some ways good, some ways not so good. The prequel trilogy sucks aside from 3 because it's so boring, though I haven't seen those movies in years so... I should probably rewatch them all (and see Solo, which... I didn't).
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Lopen posted...

"Cinematography" is just a way to say popcorn tripe while trying to give off the impression that what you're saying is important.

Totally; The Tree of Life, Citizen Kane, and Roma are all popcorn tripe. Clearly, real art is convoluted stories about superpowered people fighting other superpowered people.

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So you're comparing The Last Jedi to Citizen Kane while pretending I'm the dumbass?

Okay.

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I'm saying 90% of popular films are garbage and The Last Jedi is among the few that actually tried to do something visually interesting beyond visual effects. I'm not comparing those two movies at all.

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Like, you're the one who implied that cinematography is meaningless. Film is a visual medium and cinematography is the backbone.

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A movie that has exceptional cinematography can be taken to another level.

I'm not saying cinematography is meaningless-- that's you, either intentionally or unintentionally, missing my point. My point is that cinematography alone doesn't make a film worth watching as a consumer. It is in fact probably the most expendable part of what makes a movie good. If the only thing you can say as praise for a movie is that it has good cinematography, then the movie is no better than popcorn tripe.

So if you're saying "well The Last Jedi has a generic narrative but OH MAN THE CINEMATOGRAPHY" that just feels like you're a film school student who has nothing better to do with their training than be pretentious on an Internet forum. And if you're trying to say that The Last Jedi and Star Wars are similar in any way, then that explains why I'm calling you a film school student and not a graduate and why you have nothing better to do currently.

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CasanovaZelos posted...

cinematography is the backbone.

Like you described it yourself

Imagine a backbone that is supporting literally nothing of value.

If you throw a backbone into a pile of trash, all you have is a pile of trash with a good walking stick in it.

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Except to me, it's not that most expendable part. Trying to insult me because I place different values on what makes something good is insulting and reductionist. I don't know why you're being so needlessly aggressive toward me.

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StartTheMachine posted...

That said, episodes 1 and 2 are both bad movies and bad Star Wars movies. But I think what you meant is they "are" Star Wars movies, moreso than something like 8.

Yeah, 1 and 2 definitely are 100% starwars movies, regardless of the actual quality of the movie.

8 feels like sci-fi game of thrones.... Which I thought was awesome, but I can completely understand some people being really annoyed by.

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