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OhhhJa 09/16/21 3:09:04 PM #52:	wpot posted... I do think that. Most have been Christian and a few have actually been Christian moreso than business-focused, but the great majority (especially leadership) have always been big business first and Christian second....until recently. Absolutely. I'm not sure why you seem to think it's changed recently since republican policy remains relatively unchanged outside of being more accepting of gay marriage. Maybe you're the one reading into headlines if you think that it's been recently hijacked by Christianity as opposed to being inseparable with Christianity the entire time wpot posted... abortion This is actually a great example. The situation in Texas will effect a lot of people and that has zero to do with big business. The fight against abortion remains a major struggle for them wpot posted... In this case, has it affected education? In a couple spots in the Bible belt, maybe, but the great majority of districts/teachers aren't going there. It's a minor issue blown way out of proportion I think you underestimate just how red a lot of this country is. Almost the entire country outside of the major cities is red <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:958117127] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>I do think that. Most have been Christian and a few have actually been Christian moreso than business-focused, but the great majority (especially leadership) have always been big business first and Christian second....until recently. Absolutely.</quote>I'm not sure why you seem to think it's changed recently since republican policy remains relatively unchanged outside of being more accepting of gay marriage. Maybe you're the one reading into headlines if you think that it's been recently hijacked by Christianity as opposed to being inseparable with Christianity the entire time wpot posted... </cite> <quote>abortion</quote>This is actually a great example. The situation in Texas will effect a lot of people and that has zero to do with big business. The fight against abortion remains a major struggle for them wpot posted... </cite> <quote>In this case, has it affected education? In a couple spots in the Bible belt, maybe, but the great majority of districts/teachers aren't going there. It's a minor issue blown way out of proportion</quote> I think you underestimate just how red a lot of this country is. Almost the entire country outside of the major cities is red </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 09/16/21 3:26:37 PM #53:	OhhhJa posted... Maybe you're the one reading into headlines if you think that it's been recently hijacked by Christianity as opposed to being inseparable with Christianity the entire time There's finesse to my viewpoint you're missing. Traditionally: big business controlled and the fundamentalist viewpoints provided energy. Recently, the other fringes (starting largely with the tea party...and now many others) have become empowered and overtaken both. The big picture is that traditional Republicans gave away their party by pandering to viewpoints that they didn't really believe in for votes. Do democrats have the same problem? Kinda, but not nearly to the same degree. OhhhJa posted... This is actually a great example. The situation in Texas will effect a lot of people and that has zero to do with big business. Yes...and no. Abortion has clearly been THE issue for a long time. Buuuut: 1) The recent version of the Reps is indeed doing things that affect many people: my point was about how things used to work. 2) The other tragedy is that abortion does have an impact...but not THAT big of one. We have wrecked our democracy in large part because fundamentalist Reps view this as such a HUGE moral issue that any actions are justified to oppose it. Screw democracy and those who disagree: let them burn! From my standpoint: fine! Ban abortion and - yes - hurt the few that that will hurt. It is WRONG to hurt those people, but the wrongs being done to society to fight it are FAR worse. And frankly, once people see how wrong it is to go back to the old days on abortion Congress will eventually re-authorize it anyways. And, hopefully, the fundamentalist energy will dissipate and we can revert to more normal discourse. But that won't happen because of the internet: whatever the next largest perceived issue is will be blown up to epic, world-shattering size by the internet and society will continue to fail over it. OhhhJa posted... I think you underestimate just how red a lot of this country is. Almost the entire country outside of the major cities is red Republicans love that map, don't they? Do they know that people live in cities and that it's people that vote, not landmasses? More people vote democratic...but it's very clear that Reps don't much care about what people think given their recent extreme (I can use no other word) anti-democratic actions. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:958117652] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe you're the one reading into headlines if you think that it's been recently hijacked by Christianity as opposed to being inseparable with Christianity the entire time</quote>There's finesse to my viewpoint you're missing. Traditionally: big business controlled and the fundamentalist viewpoints provided energy. Recently, the other fringes (starting largely with the tea party...and now many others) have become empowered and overtaken both. The big picture is that traditional Republicans gave away their party by pandering to viewpoints that they didn't really believe in for votes. Do democrats have the same problem? Kinda, but not nearly to the same degree. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>This is actually a great example. The situation in Texas will effect a lot of people and that has zero to do with big business.</quote>Yes...and no. Abortion has clearly been THE issue for a long time. Buuuut: 1) The recent version of the Reps is indeed doing things that affect many people: my point was about how things used to work. 2) The other tragedy is that abortion does have an impact...but not THAT big of one. We have wrecked our democracy in large part because fundamentalist Reps view this as such a HUGE moral issue that any actions are justified to oppose it. Screw democracy and those who disagree: let them burn! From my standpoint: fine! Ban abortion and - yes - hurt the few that that will hurt. It is WRONG to hurt those people, but the wrongs being done to society to fight it are FAR worse. And frankly, once people see how wrong it is to go back to the old days on abortion Congress will eventually re-authorize it anyways. And, hopefully, the fundamentalist energy will dissipate and we can revert to more normal discourse. But that won't happen because of the internet: whatever the next largest perceived issue is will be blown up to epic, world-shattering size by the internet and society will continue to fail over it. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I think you underestimate just how red a lot of this country is. Almost the entire country outside of the major cities is red</quote>Republicans love that map, don't they? Do they know that people live in cities and that it's people that vote, not landmasses? More people vote democratic...but it's very clear that Reps don't much care about what people think given their recent extreme (I can use no other word) anti-democratic actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/16/21 4:11:49 PM #54:	wpot posted... Republicans love that map, don't they? Do they know that people live in cities and that it's people that vote, not landmasses? The popular vote is so close to a 50/50 every election that to say it's just landmass as opposed to actual amount of people is silly. And if you're calling me a republican, you're way off the mark wpot posted... There's finesse to my viewpoint you're missing. Traditionally: big business controlled and the fundamentalist viewpoints provided energy. Recently, the other fringes (starting largely with the tea party...and now many others) have become empowered and overtaken both. The big picture is that traditional Republicans gave away their party by pandering to viewpoints that they didn't really believe in for votes. Do democrats have the same problem? Kinda, but not nearly to the same degree. I feel like we're kinda arguing in circles. Politics has always been pandering. And Republicans have been largely fundamentalist or at the very least strictly Christian as long as I've been alive. Sure, lobbyists and various special interest groups are in the driver's seat for both parties. But let's not forget that Christianity generates a LOT of revenue in this country. And those Christians make donations to republic campaigns wpot posted... Yes...and no. Abortion has clearly been THE issue for a long time. Buuuut: 1) The recent version of the Reps is indeed doing things that affect many people: my point was about how things used to work. 2) The other tragedy is that abortion does have an impact...but not THAT big of one. We have wrecked our democracy in large part because fundamentalist Reps view this as such a HUGE moral issue that any actions are justified to oppose it. Screw democracy and those who disagree: let them burn! From my standpoint: fine! Ban abortion and - yes - hurt the few that that will hurt. It is WRONG to hurt those people, but the wrongs being done to society to fight it are FAR worse. And frankly, once people see how wrong it is to go back to the old days on abortion Congress will eventually re-authorize it anyways. And, hopefully, the fundamentalist energy will dissipate and we can revert to more normal discourse. But that won't happen because of the internet: whatever the next largest perceived issue is will be blown up to epic, world-shattering size by the internet and society will continue to fail over it. I think there are a lot of abortion activists out there that would tell you it does effect a LOT of women and it is constant battle to make sure women's reproductive rights aren't stripped away <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:958118840] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>Republicans love that map, don't they? Do they know that people live in cities and that it's people that vote, not landmasses?</quote> The popular vote is so close to a 50/50 every election that to say it's just landmass as opposed to actual amount of people is silly. And if you're calling me a republican, you're way off the mark wpot posted... </cite> <quote>There's finesse to my viewpoint you're missing. Traditionally: big business controlled and the fundamentalist viewpoints provided energy. Recently, the other fringes (starting largely with the tea party...and now many others) have become empowered and overtaken both. The big picture is that traditional Republicans gave away their party by pandering to viewpoints that they didn't really believe in for votes. Do democrats have the same problem? Kinda, but not nearly to the same degree.</quote>I feel like we're kinda arguing in circles. Politics has always been pandering. And Republicans have been largely fundamentalist or at the very least strictly Christian as long as I've been alive. Sure, lobbyists and various special interest groups are in the driver's seat for both parties. But let's not forget that Christianity generates a LOT of revenue in this country. And those Christians make donations to republic campaigns wpot posted... </cite> <quote>Yes...and no. Abortion has clearly been THE issue for a long time. Buuuut: 1) The recent version of the Reps is indeed doing things that affect many people: my point was about how things used to work. 2) The other tragedy is that abortion does have an impact...but not THAT big of one. We have wrecked our democracy in large part because fundamentalist Reps view this as such a HUGE moral issue that any actions are justified to oppose it. Screw democracy and those who disagree: let them burn! From my standpoint: fine! Ban abortion and - yes - hurt the few that that will hurt. It is WRONG to hurt those people, but the wrongs being done to society to fight it are FAR worse. And frankly, once people see how wrong it is to go back to the old days on abortion Congress will eventually re-authorize it anyways. And, hopefully, the fundamentalist energy will dissipate and we can revert to more normal discourse. But that won't happen because of the internet: whatever the next largest perceived issue is will be blown up to epic, world-shattering size by the internet and society will continue to fail over it.</quote> I think there are a lot of abortion activists out there that would tell you it does effect a LOT of women and it is constant battle to make sure women's reproductive rights aren't stripped away </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 09/16/21 4:23:13 PM #55:	OhhhJa posted... The popular vote is so close to a 50/50 every election that to say it's just landmass as opposed to actual amount of people is silly. Yes, but you brought up the city rural split. What was your intention there? If it was just to say that rural areas are very Republican than yes, I know that well. OhhhJa posted... But let's not forget that Christianity generates a LOT of revenue in this country. I'm not arguing otherwise: they clearly have a relevant amount of political power as well. It does seem we're going a bit in circles there. My point is: after being cynically in control for years Reps have pandered to greater and greater fringe groups to the extent that they've created some monsters and lost their own business party. OhhhJa posted... I think there are a lot of abortion activists out there that would tell you it does effect a LOT of women and it is constant battle to make sure women's reproductive rights aren't stripped away I agree and everything going on is a tragedy. But if the cost of keeping abortion is losing democracy I choose democracy. The choice isn't that simple and that's a stretch, of course, but given that it IS the primary issue that has energized Reps for years...it's not as much of a stretch as it sounds. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:958119162] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>The popular vote is so close to a 50/50 every election that to say it's just landmass as opposed to actual amount of people is silly.</quote>Yes, but you brought up the city rural split. What was your intention there? If it was just to say that rural areas are very Republican than yes, I know that well. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>But let's not forget that Christianity generates a LOT of revenue in this country.</quote>I'm not arguing otherwise: they clearly have a relevant amount of political power as well. It does seem we're going a bit in circles there. My point is: after being cynically in control for years Reps have pandered to greater and greater fringe groups to the extent that they've created some monsters and lost their own business party. OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I think there are a lot of abortion activists out there that would tell you it does effect a LOT of women and it is constant battle to make sure women's reproductive rights aren't stripped away</quote>I agree and everything going on is a tragedy. But if the cost of keeping abortion is losing democracy I choose democracy. The choice isn't that simple and that's a stretch, of course, but given that it IS the primary issue that has energized Reps for years...it's not as much of a stretch as it sounds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 09/16/21 11:24:50 PM #56:	OhhhJa posted... The democrats have changed a LOT more in the last couple decades than the republicans. Republicans are just saying the same shit they have been since GWB. If anything, the party has moved, ever so slightly, more socially liberal You are legitimately insane. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:958130363] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>The democrats have changed a LOT more in the last couple decades than the republicans. Republicans are just saying the same shit they have been since GWB. If anything, the party has moved, ever so slightly, more socially liberal</quote> You are legitimately insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/17/21 12:17:20 AM #57:	BlackScythe0 posted... You are legitimately insane. Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:958131702] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>You are legitimately insane.</quote> Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 09/17/21 12:40:58 AM #58:	OhhhJa posted... Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well What relaxation of immigration policy does "build that wall!" fall under? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:958132186] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote> Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well</quote> What relaxation of immigration policy does "build that wall!" fall under? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/17/21 2:24:18 AM #59:	BlackScythe0 posted... What relaxation of immigration policy does "build that wall!" fall under? You realize even Obama mentioned bolstering the fence? Things changed a lot. People don't remember <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:958133843] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>What relaxation of immigration policy does "build that wall!" fall under?</quote>You realize even Obama mentioned bolstering the fence? Things changed a lot. People don't remember </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 09/17/21 8:24:20 AM #60:	OhhhJa posted... Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well Youre kinda right in one sense, but whats really going on is the Republicans more or less stopped having specific beliefs: people dont realize how big of a deal it is to end a convention without a platform! If the Democrats started pushing new gay rights legislation Reps would decide they care again, Im fairly sure. They just want to oppose. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:958138220] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote> Republicans being supportive/tolerant of either gay marriage, pro choice, or any kind of relaxation of immigration policy was non-existent in 2000. You definitely couldn't say that now. I welcome you to bring facts to the table that disprove that but I know you won't Forgot to mention marijuana legalization as well</quote>Youre kinda right in one sense, but whats really going on is the Republicans more or less stopped having specific beliefs: people dont realize how big of a deal it is to end a convention without a platform! If the Democrats started pushing new gay rights legislation Reps would decide they care again, Im fairly sure. They just want to oppose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 09/17/21 12:53:23 PM #61:	Pretty sure they're still mostly against Marijuana legalization --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:958144106] in Why do you... [t:79662258]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sure they're still mostly against Marijuana legalization </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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