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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 5:28:09 PM
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Chris was just the biggest bitch. Show would have been so much better without him.

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Gobstoppers12
09/14/21 5:29:13 PM
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It was at its best when Shadow was involved. I kinda skimmed through the rest of it.

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 5:29:18 PM
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4kids ruined it. One of the few times I will choose sub over dub.

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trappedunderice
09/14/21 5:29:29 PM
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Sonic and the crew killed Scotty's parents and shoved chili dogs down their throats.
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SoggyBottomBoy
09/14/21 5:29:33 PM
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Nothing about the Sonic franchise has ever been fun to me, tbh.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 5:30:11 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
4kids ruined it. One of the few times I will choose sub over dub.

Show sucked regardless of the voice cast. Chris ruined the whole show.

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Gobstoppers12
09/14/21 5:31:23 PM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
Show sucked regardless of the voice cast. Chris ruined the whole show.
It's not just the voice. The dub censored some pretty significant emotional moments. The one I'll always hate them for changing is Molly.

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SomeLikeItHoth
09/14/21 5:31:30 PM
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I remember really liking the intro. It hyped me up.

https://youtu.be/Z9G1Mf6TZRs

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rexcrk
09/14/21 5:37:15 PM
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Id love to know why there was this fad in like the mid-2000s where these properties needed to have an obnoxious human sidekick. Transformers was another big offender of this.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 5:38:08 PM
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I mean, damn. They wanna give Sonic a human best friend? Honestly, that was never going to work out; Tails is supposed to be Sonic's best friend, so it's totally redundant to make it someone else. But Chris was just the biggest bitch; this was the best they could have come up with?

Really, Eggman should be the only human in Sonic. If there should be other humans, though, then they should just be minor characters; Chris would have been a lot more tolerable if he was just a one-off, because he really fucking sucks.

SomeLikeItHoth posted...
I remember really liking the intro. It hyped me up.

https://youtu.be/Z9G1Mf6TZRs

Yeah, the show definitely got it right as far as theme songs went. Even the Japanese one is catchy; it has the same guy who sang DBZ's Japanese theme songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqIY_lRV_QU

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Chunkey Simmons
09/14/21 5:39:30 PM
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I like the series until the final season where they were stuck on that stupid spaceship fighting the weird alien species that no one cared about
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BlueBoy675
09/14/21 5:39:32 PM
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i like the episode where he bonds with the girl in the wheelchair. Honestly, a show about Sonic befriending a disabled kid and taking them on adventures would be so wholesome, at least more so than him hanging out with some spoiled rich brat

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 5:43:54 PM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
I like the series until the final season where they were stuck on that stupid spaceship fighting the weird alien species that no one cared about


AKA the best season and the one 4kids butchered the most.

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Feline_Heart
09/14/21 5:45:43 PM
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rexcrk posted...
Id love to know why there was this fad in like the mid-2000s where these properties needed to have an obnoxious human sidekick. Transformers was another big offender of this.
I think it worked out fine in Transformers: animated

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 5:54:35 PM
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There just shouldn't be any humans in Sonic other than Eggman; it was dumb in the games and it was dumb here. Sonic X was just doomed when it was decided that it would go in this direction.

Season 3 was slightly better in how it got rid of most of the humans, but it still had Chris's bitchass. Oh, and the antagonists were downright terrible; they look like they're from some shitty giant mech anime, which doesn't suit Sonic at all. I think they were put in the show because TMS, the studio that animated Sonic X, worked on a lot of mech anime or some shit. Interesting how Sega Sammy would buy TMS in 2010.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/14/21 5:55:27 PM
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apparently Sonic X is just Sonic running in one direcrion, there was no Chris. Or there was a Chris and no Sonic

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 5:57:35 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
apparently Sonic X is just Sonic running in one direcrion, there was no Chris. Or there was a Chris and no Sonic

What?


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MedeaLysistrata
09/14/21 6:01:10 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
What?
and then the cast shows up and the show actually does end up sucking because of Shadow

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rexcrk
09/14/21 6:01:36 PM
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Feline_Heart posted...
I think it worked out fine in Transformers: animated
They did it right in Animated, for sure.

But those damned few shows before it were the problem.

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 6:01:42 PM
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Youre still not making any sense.

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MedeaLysistrata
09/14/21 6:02:28 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Youre still not making any sense.
it's not supposed to make sense, you just kind of feel it and dive right in. it's all intuition!

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 6:10:58 PM
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Lol, of course this show would blow chunks; it was basically based on the Sonic Adventure games, and the plot in those games sucked ass with all the humans and the edgy shit. Sonic games sucked in the 2000s, so of course an entire anime series in that decade would have been terrible. Not that anime was ever good, though; a Sonic anime now would probably suck as well.

Still, Chris is a remarkably shitty character, even for anime standards.

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ModLogic
09/14/21 6:18:41 PM
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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 6:31:27 PM
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Looking back, it seems a number of Sonic characters got close human friends in this show. Tails was close to Chris's uncle. Amy was close to Chris's maid. Rouge was close to that one female government agent. Was Knuckles close to this kid?


XD

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creativerealms
09/14/21 6:34:18 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
4kids ruined it. One of the few times I will choose sub over dub.
The original wasn't any good.

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 6:35:46 PM
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Nah the original is pretty good.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 6:36:59 PM
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They really picked the biggest bitch of them all to be Sonic's best friend. I would have preferred it to be the speed racer guy, as much of a bitch he was; it was pretty funny how the police just conveniently had a unit of officers who ride racecars when Sonic showed up in the city. Lol this show was terrible.

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spikethedevil
09/14/21 6:38:19 PM
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This whole hating anything post Sonic 2 is a really weird gimmick youve had for awhile btw.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/14/21 6:51:21 PM
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I really hate the "reverse isekai" trend that's plagued adaptations since time immemorial. Take a popular character out of their setting and plop them on regular earth, and split the screen time between cool adventures and a boring audience surrogate. The Sonic movie sucked for the same reason, which is a tad ironic since it looks the the writers put in work to build a world and backstory for him, only to completely ignore it lol

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 6:52:44 PM
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But the first episode with just Sonic racing the racecar guys was still pretty fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZbE061qcE

It all goes to shit once Chris appears, though. Honestly, this show could have still been watchable with humans; just keep them all as minor characters who don't appear very often.

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Prismsblade
09/14/21 7:05:30 PM
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The human characters, usually the kids are meant for the demographic audience, someone around their age they can relate to. Which in and of itself isn't bad.

The issue is when they make said characters useless and annoying. Which Chris was the definition of until season 3 where he's at least useful there. Otherwise the show is about as good a sonic show can get although sonic boom was pretty good as well for what it was.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 7:07:40 PM
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This was the original pilot that was made in 2001, two years before the show came out; it has animal civilians and no humans in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZLDsNi9vzQ

I've read that the show originally wasn't going to have humans, but humans were added in so that the show could appeal more to Japanese markets? Honestly, the pilot is so much better than what the show ended up being; Sonic was never popular in Japan and that was never going to change, so they should have just made this show for Western markets.

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Gobstoppers12
09/14/21 7:10:43 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Otherwise the show is about as good a sonic show can get although sonic boom was pretty good as well for what it was.
Sonic X is definitely the best translation of Sonic from game to tv series. The fact that it directly adapted the stories of Sonic Adventure 1+2 went a long way to make him feel like the "real" Sonic in a cartoon for the first time. That made Sonic X feel "canon" with the games--aside from Chris.

This is one time I agree with Scotty. Chris isn't a good character imo. His role is understandable--he's the audience stand-in for the young kids. But when you watch it as an adult you just wish he wasn't there taking up space.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 7:32:16 PM
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I never understood why Chris somehow turned back into a kid in the third season; apparently, it was due to differences between how time passed between his world and Sonic's, but none of that stupid shit actually makes any sense. Japan just has an unhealthy obsession with stories that put adults in child bodies. Not that him staying in an adult body would have made this season much better, though; Chris is a bitch regardless of what body he's in.

Anyone remember this?

A lot of people thought it was going to be a new character called "Nazo" (Japanese for "mystery"), but according to Takeshi Iizuka, it's just Super Sonic. Not sure if I believe Iizuka; he lied (or at the very least, tip-toed around the question) about Nights: Journey of Dreams not originally being made for the 360 and PS3. This blog by a guy named Ben Andac from February 2007 said it was, having even played a build of the game on 360, and I'm inclined to believe him, because he correctly predicted Sonic turning into the Werehog in Unleashed, more than a year before that came out: https://web.archive.org/web/20070408161400/http://bossrush.blogspot.com/2007/03/nights-2.html

Sonic Team are a relic from a past age who have overstayed their welcome. For the same marketing reasons that their name was initially kept (and has since backfired) they should be dissolved - it may already be too late for NiGHTS (and I really hope it isn't and they manage to turn it around, which with Iizuka-san's passion for the project is a possibility), but for the good of the company's image; for the future of Sega's other prestigious IPs and lastly for its iconic mascot it needs to be done... before they release another Sonic game with a transforming Evil 'Night' Sonic who looks like a werewolf and can stretch his arms out Dhalsim-style. It will happen, mark my words.

The Sonic fandom was really hectic when the blog was rediscovered shortly after Unleashed got slammed by critics lol

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Scotty_Rogers
09/14/21 7:37:47 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Sonic X is definitely the best translation of Sonic from game to tv series. The fact that it directly adapted the stories of Sonic Adventure 1+2 went a long way to make him feel like the "real" Sonic in a cartoon for the first time. That made Sonic X feel "canon" with the games--aside from Chris.

This is one time I agree with Scotty. Chris isn't a good character imo. His role is understandable--he's the audience stand-in for the young kids. But when you watch it as an adult you just wish he wasn't there taking up space.

The argument that these lame ass humans are necessary for kids to self-insert as is stupid. As a kid, I never gave a shit about Chris, or any of the humans; I only cared about seeing Sonic. Sonic was the only one I self-inserted as; the same goes with many other Sonic fans. No one ever gave a fuck about the humans, not even kid viewers.

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Gobstoppers12
09/15/21 12:06:28 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
The argument that these lame ass humans are necessary for kids to self-insert as is stupid. As a kid, I never gave a shit about Chris, or any of the humans; I only cared about seeing Sonic. Sonic was the only one I self-inserted as; the same goes with many other Sonic fans. No one ever gave a fuck about the humans, not even kid viewers.
I'm inclined to agree with you, but I would guess there's some merit to it from a marketing standpoint, otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/15/21 12:23:50 AM
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There is no merit. These things almost never work out.

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Gobstoppers12
09/15/21 12:26:25 AM
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Scotty_Rogers posted...
There is no merit. These things almost never work out.
Maybe not for us, but maybe for the average audience it does.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/15/21 1:13:46 AM
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Certainly not for Sonic's audience, as no one likes Chris at all. XD

They added him to Sonic X because they just wanted it to appeal more to Japanese viewers, which was stupid as Sonic was never popular in that country and an anime wasn't going to change that.

Anyway, if that "Nazo" pic was actually Super Sonic, then why would they just call it "Nazo" (mystery) in the image file? Everyone knew what Super Sonic was. Better yet, why does it look so different to how Super Sonic normally looks? At the very least, it must have been a scrapped redesign for Super Sonic, but it looks more like it was intended to be a new form for Sonic altogether.

Adding onto this, here is the second pilot, which showed "Nazo" (mystery): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-g6ddIz50U

The actual Super Sonic also appears in this pilot. Iizuka wants us to believe Nazo was just Super Sonic all along, but why would there be two Super Sonics in the same video? For fuck's sake, the image is called "Nazo" (mystery); if it was just Super Sonic, then there was never any real mystery, was there? I believe that Nazo probably was Sonic given the generally similar appearance combined with the trademark grin, but it was more likely a brand new transformation for him.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/15/21 1:15:36 AM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Maybe not for us, but maybe for the average audience it does.

I'm sure there were *some* kids who liked Chris, just like there were *some* kids who liked Justin the Blue Turbo Power Ranger, but in my experience growing up, kids typically knew the deal and weren't into those types.

Remember in Jingle All the Way when the entire crowd just starts kicking the shit out of Sinbad wearing the mascot costume? "Nobody likes you, Booster!". That movie was weirdly on point lmao

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XxMahnaMahnaxX
09/15/21 1:17:15 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
and then the cast shows up and the show actually does end up sucking because of Shadow
Am i having a stroke or does this users posts make no sense

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SomeLikeItHoth
09/15/21 1:19:07 AM
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There should be a chao garden show called the chaos garden since chaos is the plural of chao.

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XxMahnaMahnaxX
09/15/21 1:19:39 AM
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Prismsblade posted...
The human characters, usually the kids are meant for the demographic audience, someone around their age they can relate to. Which in and of itself isn't bad.

The issue is when they make said characters useless and annoying. Which Chris was the definition of until season 3 where he's at least useful there. Otherwise the show is about as good a sonic show can get although sonic boom was pretty good as well for what it was.
Sonic Boom was surprisingly funny

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BakonBitz
09/15/21 1:40:35 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
I like the series until the final season where they were stuck on that stupid spaceship fighting the weird alien species that no one cared about
I kinda enjoy that if only for the edgy bullshit it spawned from the fanbase for a bit with the whole "Dark Super Sonic" thing.

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totalnerdken
09/15/21 1:52:25 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
4kids ruined it. One of the few times I will choose sub over dub.
Thank god their rain of terror over anime in north america is over. They really crippled a bunch of animes.
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Frosted_Midna
09/15/21 2:24:28 AM
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I still remember at the 2:00 mark of this video that commercial...

https://youtu.be/PaeIUmzgaiI?t=120

That commercial I sadly admit...did hype me to see Sonic X.

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spikethedevil
09/15/21 4:01:46 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
Thank god their rain of terror over anime in north america is over. They really crippled a bunch of animes.

It extended to over here in the UK and other English speaking places as well.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/15/21 7:41:34 AM
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People bash the dub for its voice acting, but it's not like the game voice cast at the time was good, either. The cast in the Adventure games and Heroes were trash:
https://youtu.be/yJg99CixMqU
https://youtu.be/OG38Ql3MTa0
https://youtu.be/J--PMYLNcLY
The only people who strongly complained about the 4Kids cast taking over in the games had clear issues like Spax3; normal people never actually gave a shit lol.

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spikethedevil
09/15/21 8:57:35 AM
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The voice acting isnt the problem, the problem was all the edits 4kids made.

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Scotty_Rogers
09/15/21 8:58:35 AM
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Sonic X was always kid-friendly, so I don't think it was edited much.

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