Current Events > AOC addresses the criticisms over her Met Gala 'Tax the Rich' dress.

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PatrickMahomes
09/14/21 10:33:16 AM
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Also lol at those trying to use her 175k salary as an excuse. She's a politician. Her takehome is absolutely way more than that.

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averagejoel
09/14/21 10:45:52 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Okay but this gets into realms of "I did this", "I knew you'd do that", "I knew you knew I'd do that", "I knew you knew that I knew that you'd do that", etc.

Ultimately this remains on brand for her style, sticks to her ideals, and speaks to those in money at a major show-off event for them. Claiming that it's playing right into the hands of the elites is making a lot of assumptions about the depth of this.
there's nothing to be gained from "showing off" so-called socialist ideals if the principles behind them are just going to be whitewashed and watered down

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KylianMbappe
09/14/21 11:07:17 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
feels weird tho since she's at an event exclusively attended by rich motherfuckers while displaying that message. not trying to criticize her or anything tho. lol
isn't that the best place to wear it tho? lol
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Lorenzo_2003
09/14/21 11:12:40 AM
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rexcrk posted...
Because woman bad

Bullshit.

People were criticizing Bernie Sanders too in the past and criticized that grifter Hassan last month.

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Will_VIIII
09/14/21 11:14:27 AM
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KylianMbappe posted...
isn't that the best place to wear it tho? lol
make those fuckers uncomfortable
Right?

MAGAs continuously complain how BLM and antifa burn cities and whatever (they don't) and cry that the left needs to be more peaceful when protesting.

And now they're complaining about what's probably one of the most peaceful way to do so.

God they're extremely stupid

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wiiking96
09/14/21 11:16:03 AM
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averagejoel posted...
there's nothing to be gained from "showing off" so-called socialist ideals if the principles behind them are just going to be whitewashed and watered down
The fact that so many people are talking about this demonstrates that it's had the desired effect. Congresswoman Cortez seeks to normalize and popularize policies that she supports to pressure her colleagues to vote for them.

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averagejoel
09/14/21 11:27:37 AM
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CyricZ
09/14/21 11:31:41 AM
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averagejoel posted...
there's nothing to be gained from "showing off" so-called socialist ideals if the principles behind them are just going to be whitewashed and watered down
So what's the answer? Stop being in the public eye? Stop speaking out and being heard? There's a public element to all of this, always has been.

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wiiking96
09/14/21 11:39:03 AM
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averagejoel posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image /7/8/4/AAUjppAACV2Y.jpg
^ Except that AOC is constantly advocating for progressive policy. And she doesn't identify a socialist, but a social democrat. AOC has limited influence being much newer than most people in Congress, but she's trying to apply pressure to her colleagues to get things done.

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CyricZ
09/14/21 11:41:21 AM
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And I'm not saying "this is genius". It's a stunt, absolutely. One of several, including when she went on Twitch to play Among Us.

But pretending like this stunt means she's abandoning ideals (or never having them in the first place) because she showed up to a fancy thing with millions of eyes on it is, I feel, dishonest.

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scar the 1
09/14/21 11:49:09 AM
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CyricZ posted...
And I'm not saying "this is genius". It's a stunt, absolutely. One of several, including when she went on Twitch to play Among Us.
To be fair, I didn't mind the Among Us thing. That seems smarter to me than this mess.

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averagejoel
09/14/21 11:50:15 AM
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CyricZ posted...
So what's the answer? Stop being in the public eye? Stop speaking out and being heard? There's a public element to all of this, always has been.
she was very much in the public eye, speaking out, and being heard before this.

And I'm not saying "this is genius". It's a stunt, absolutely. One of several, including when she went on Twitch to play Among Us.

But pretending like this stunt means she's abandoning ideals (or never having them in the first place) because she showed up to a fancy thing with millions of eyes on it is, I feel, dishonest.
oh I'm sure she does have ideals. the point is that those ideals are safe and defanged to the extent that they will not, cannot meaningfully threaten the status quo -- just as "tax the rich" is a safe, defanged version of "eat the rich"

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averagejoel
09/14/21 11:52:08 AM
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wiiking96 posted...
^ Except that AOC is constantly advocating for progressive policy. And she doesn't identify a socialist, but a social democrat. AOC has limited influence being much newer than most people in Congress, but she's trying to apply pressure to her colleagues to get things done.
yes, I'm well aware that she is not a socialist. my critique of her is through a socialist lens though.

regardless, wearing a dress that says "tax the rich" to a gala does nothing to further those ends

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pinky0926
09/14/21 11:54:25 AM
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I fucking laugh when people think "tax the rich" is ever directed at them.

No sally, your $150k household and Audi Qauttro doesn't qualify into the discussion.

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CyricZ
09/14/21 11:57:29 AM
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averagejoel posted...
oh I'm sure she does have ideals. the point is that those ideals are safe and defanged to the extent that they will not, cannot meaningfully threaten the status quo -- just as "tax the rich" is a safe, defanged version of "eat the rich"
And are you holding her to account for that? Or the system of elites? Are you suggesting she's lost her street cred and sold out?

Like criminy, enough fun is made of treating AOC like a shiny goddess capable of solving everything. It'd be unwise to unironically feed into that.

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averagejoel
09/14/21 12:04:45 PM
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CyricZ posted...
And are you holding her to account for that? Or the system of elites? Are you suggesting she's lost her street cred and sold out?
no, I'm saying that this was performative as fuck

Like criminy, enough fun is made of treating AOC like a shiny goddess capable of solving everything. It'd be unwise to unironically feed into that.
I don't particularly care how wise you think it is. it's clear that electoral politics will not yield any meaningful results

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CyricZ
09/14/21 12:07:26 PM
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averagejoel posted...
it's clear that electoral politics will not yield any meaningful results
Well your grievances extend well beyond AOC and anything she does, then.

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averagejoel
09/14/21 12:08:50 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Well your grievances extend well beyond AOC and anything she does, then.
yes, they do. this latest stunt was just a very obvious symptom of several broader issues

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wiiking96
09/14/21 12:12:30 PM
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averagejoel posted...
yes, I'm well aware that she is not a socialist. my critique of her is through a socialist lens though.

regardless, wearing a dress that says "tax the rich" to a gala does nothing to further those ends
It does if it brings more attention to the types of policies she supports.

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BeyondWalls
09/14/21 12:23:06 PM
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CyricZ posted...
But pretending like this stunt means she's abandoning ideals (or never having them in the first place) because she showed up to a fancy thing with millions of eyes on it is, I feel, dishonest.
Look, I'll say it again, here's my problem...

Part of her responsibilities are "overseeing and supporting the city's culture institutions." She's literally only there to chat up rich donors and get them to donate to the art museum. This dress runs pretty contrary to her only reason for being there. She's supposed to be chatting them up, not turning them off.

This is the difference between being a meme and being an effective politician. And Pelosi has tried to warn her about this stuff in the past. So yeah, AOC is trending on Twitter. But how many people did she get to donate to the museum?

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averagejoel
09/14/21 12:26:39 PM
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wiiking96 posted...
It does if it brings more attention to the types of policies she supports.
first: it's not clear that "attention" like this actually makes any significant difference to that end. certainly if it does, it's very, very indirect. there's also a strong argument that performative actions like are actually detrimental to the people trying to enact meaningful change

second: it's not clear that this actually brings more attention to those types of policies -- she was already very visible

third: the types of policies she supports will not meaningfully threaten the existing system, which is why it was safe for her to be there in the first place

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Shezarr
09/14/21 12:27:24 PM
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Im so glad we have all CEs resident Republicans to tell us about how AOCs messaging failed

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wiiking96
09/14/21 12:29:36 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
Look, I'll say it again, here's my problem...

Part of her responsibilities are "overseeing and supporting the city's culture institutions." She's literally only there to chat up rich donors and get them to donate to the art museum. This dress runs pretty contrary to her only reason for being there. She's supposed to be chatting them up, not turning them off.

This is the difference between being a meme and being an effective politician. And Pelosi has tried to warn her about this stuff in the past. So yeah, AOC is trending on Twitter. But how many people did she get to donate to the museum?
Well, to be fair, the types of rich people who are opposed to raising taxes probably aren't the types of people she wants to associate with anyway. Plenty of millionaires genuinely support progressive policies, and we shouldn't forget that the real enemies of progressivism are billionaires and their stooges.


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Smashingpmkns
09/14/21 12:34:19 PM
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Don't know why anyone would care either which way about any of this.
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BeyondWalls
09/14/21 12:58:52 PM
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wiiking96 posted...
Well, to be fair, the types of rich people who are opposed to raising taxes probably aren't the types of people she wants to associate with anyway. Plenty of millionaires genuinely support progressive policies, and we shouldn't forget that the real enemies of progressivism are billionaires and their stooges.
This has nothing to do with getting them to support progressive policies. It's gathering money for the art museum.

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wiiking96
09/14/21 2:35:04 PM
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BeyondWalls posted...
This has nothing to do with getting them to support progressive policies. It's gathering money for the art museum.
The "tax the rich" dress is obviously supposed to promote the policy of raising taxes on the ultra wealthy.

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au_gold
09/14/21 10:51:38 PM
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https://twitter.com/potus/status/1437866796606963716?s=21

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SomeLikeItHoth
09/15/21 12:34:11 AM
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au_gold posted...
https://twitter.com/potus/status/1437866796606963716?s=21
Looks like Biden will only be a one-term President.

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Shablagoo
09/15/21 12:45:06 AM
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Forever_Black posted...
So corny. Always trying to seek attention and then act surprised when people talk about her.

Uh. Performance activism like this is literally designed to get people talking. That everyone has the phrase tax the rich on their mind today was the goal of wearing the dress.

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averagejoel
09/15/21 9:36:44 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Uh. Performance activism like this is literally designed to get people talking. That everyone has the phrase tax the rich on their mind today was the goal of wearing the dress.
people have been talking about taxing the rich for a long time, and it has been a popular policy in the US for over 100 years.

"performance" it was. "activism" it was not

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SergeantGander
09/15/21 9:39:40 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Her 175k salary won't do shit

Why do people keep conflating that with corrupt billionaires?

Billionaires are greedy and we all know it.

She proclaims to be for and about the people. I'm sure there are plenty of people in need that could use even $100. But maybe she needs all 175k for herself

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FarFromFields
09/15/21 9:40:38 AM
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Lots of usual suspects absolutely seething in this topic and it's hilarious.

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scar the 1
09/15/21 9:48:25 AM
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averagejoel posted...
people have been talking about taxing the rich for a long time, and it has been a popular policy in the US for over 100 years.

"performance" it was. "activism" it was not
Also, it's a little weird that some people feel the need to vigorously defend her against criticisms like "this was tacky and performative".

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averagejoel
09/15/21 10:17:35 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Also, it's a little weird that some people feel the need to vigorously defend her against criticisms like "this was tacky and performative".
the closest analogy that currently comes to mind is Bagism, which basically amounted to John Lennon and Yoko Ono getting married in a bag so no one would know what they looked like.

it's not activism; it's performance art. (and of course the entire premise was moot to begin with because everyone already knew what they looked like)

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Deuceswild
09/15/21 10:18:38 AM
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Literally the perfect woman

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Antifar
09/15/21 10:20:27 AM
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10,000 times more attention paid to this, which doesn't matter in any real way, than this, which does
https://twitter.com/josephzeballos/status/1438122858694205444

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au_gold
09/16/21 11:02:39 AM
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Shes the real deal.

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