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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 12:43:55 AM
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The long, long, long wait for Persona 5 to come out was a fucking trip >_> Let's walk through a brief history of it, shall we?

First off, I guess the Persona 5 hype can go all the way back to Catherine on the PS3 in 2011. Atlus mentioned that the Persona team made Catherine specifically to get more familiar with the PS3 hardware so that Persona 5 development can go more smoothly lol

Then in late 2013, they announced a Persona direct. In it, they revealed a bunch of Persona 4 spinoffs such as the fighting game, a RPG mashup with the Persona 3 cast, and then a fucking Persona 4 dancing game. People were LIVID because they thought the direct was gonna on the dancing game announcement with no news on Persona 5. But then it happened....



The world rejoiced! It was finally announced! And it was gonna be out next year on PS3! People were HYPED!

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Sometime in late 2014, after a year of literally no news, they announced that the game was gonna be delayed to no one's surprise >_> They simply said it was gonna come out sometime in 2015. While this was happening, Persona 4 Ultimax came out. In it was a new character named Sho that people didn't like >_> At the end of the game, he gains the Fool Arcana (a reoccuring theme with all Persona protagonists), and later on, hackers found a line of code in the game that simply reads "P5HERO" in the character select

So obviously people flipped their shit because no one liked annoying-ass Sho and assumed he was gonna be the protag of P5 lol. This was all anyone had to go on so far on Persona 5. There was no gameplay or screenshots that were shown for Persona 5 at this time, so people were grasping at ANYTHING that could be related to it! Now it turns out that the P5HERO code was a left over from when they were planning to have him in the game, but decided to leave him out and it had nothing to do with Sho. But It just showed how desperate people were for any scraps of Persona 5 info.

So in early 2015, we finally got the 1st real trailer of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_9r4wifFc



FINALLY! Something to look at besides some fucking chairs! You had party members! You had a calendar! You had a mascot cat! You had a really really sweet menu! People went nuts picking apart every little detail in the trailer.

After that was trailer 2 in mid-2015. It was only available as a DVD bonus to people who pre-ordered Persona 4 Dancing All Night. Now obviously within a few days, people ripped that shit out and posted it immediately, but Atlus tried REALLY REALLY hard to squash any sign of the trailer online for a little bit before giving up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-dLW7jSeRk



Hell, it STILL isn't even on their youtube channel. It's just a gap between trailer 1 and trailer 3 >_> Plus this trailer SUCKS! Half the trailer is literally just reused footage of the 1st trailer with a couple new scenes spliced in. I felt bad for anyone that paid literal money just to see this.

Now, people were starting to get antsy again because 2015 was getting close to the end and there was still no concrete signs that the game was coming out or even a release date. Atlus eventually dropped another trailer with a bunch of little info like a new party member and some new personas, but also the announcement of the delay that everyone was expecting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpOwQaqRXA



The game was delayed to "Summer 2016"

After that, the game development was dead silent for 8 MONTHS! Everyone feared the worst! But then the final trailer dropped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZtJmt85ns



It had lots of new info and more importantly, it had an actual release date instead of some vague prediction! 9/15/16! Literally 1 week before Summer 2016 was over >_>

And yeah, the game actually came out when they said it would and all was well in the world! But this isn't the end of the hypetrain....

What about America!? For a while, literally no one knew when this game was coming out here even after the final trailer released! But a month or 2 later, some piece of news came out that said the game was gonna release in February 14th, 2017 to save all those lonely weebs from heartbreak on V-day! America rejoiced! Obama himself probably did a backflip in the oval office after hearing this news.

......But then guess what happened next! Did you say another delay? Cuz that's exactly what happened!!! Sometime after the game came out in Japan, Atlus did some livestream where a dude came on camera and said to all the baka gaijin Americans that they had to delay the english version of the game to April 3rd, 2017.

So then finally. FINALLY. The sun rose on the day of April 3rd 2017 and everyone in the US finally had their hands on Persona 5 >_> The game was pretty great too. But the long anticipation of Persona 5 and the endless delays basically became a meme. We went from:

Winter 2014 -> "2015" -> Summer 2016 -> Sept 15th, 2016 -> Feburary 14th, 2017 -> April 3rd, 2017

If you were on the hypetrain for Persona 5 for all 4 of those years (or longer...), you know exactly all the pain and blueballing we all had to go through

So CE, what was your experiences with this hypetrain? Were you on board for the whole ride or none of it? Do you feel a little more educated on Persona 5 after reading this or nah? >_>

tl;dr: Persona 5 took 4 fucking years from announcement until we finally had our hands on it. What the actual fuck.

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 12:57:21 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
Need to get into the first few games
Just be aware that the first 2 games are old. Really old >_> And they play nothing like the modern Persona games (they're more like old school SMT games). Persona 3 was kind of intended as a "soft reboot" of the series. All the games are canon, but they almost never reference 1 and 2.

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 12:58:18 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
I didn't know anything about this but that's hilarious because if I'd been in the scene at that time I also would have been losing my shit, Sho is one of the worst characters in the entire series hahaha I'd be pissed
It was exactly like that lol. People were losing their minds at the thought that Sho could be the protag of Persona 5. Looking back at it now is pretty funny >_>

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Punished_Joseph
09/14/21 12:58:40 AM
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Its the worst persona

3 > 2 > 4 > 1 >5
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PiOverlord
09/14/21 1:00:04 AM
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I remember some war I was not a part of, nor really viewed that much between the FFXV and Persona 5 brigades before their respective games came out.

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Illuminoius
09/14/21 1:01:01 AM
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sucks that the game's flair can't carry smt's boring combat all that far

writing is kinda dumb too
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 1:01:55 AM
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PiOverlord posted...
I remember some war I was not a part of, nor really viewed that much between the FFXV and Persona 5 brigades before their respective games came out.
Oh man, I forgot about that. Didn't Square delay FFXV solely so it wouldn't compete with Persona 5? >_> I remember that was the rumor

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Punished_Joseph
09/14/21 1:02:29 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
sucks that the game's flair can't carry smt's boring combat all that far

writing is kinda dumb too
What jrpg has better combat than smt
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Illuminoius
09/14/21 1:07:05 AM
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etrian odyssey is made by atlus and has better combat

smt is so limited because all your tools are samey and boring and you approach almost everything the same way and can bulldoze through the whole series relying on the same exact strat. buffs and debuffs are super op and it's incredibly hard to die if you use them properly, and "spam weakness button" or "alternate charge and then your strongest skill" isn't exciting gameplay for your dpses. in nocturne i legit autobattle most bosses after the first two turns because buffs and debuffs are honestly just that broken

press turn is so extremely weighed in your favor that getting crits and hitting weaknesses dramatically boosts your damage while your increased evade rate means that the enemy will rarely get to take advantage of it. press turn is so incredibly stupid because it rewards the player dramatically for the most basic fucking decision making you can ever use make as a magic user in an rpg

it's serviceable combat and it can be fun to stomp things with overpowered demons but i wouldn't say it's complex or a high standard for the genre
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LordFarquad1312
09/14/21 1:11:29 AM
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I was livid because Amazon cancelled my preorder of the special edition because of the delay. Luckily I managed to sort that out and even managed to get Nier Automata fairly cheap when it came out because of it.

P5 was one of the few games I pulled quite a few of all nighters recently.

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MrMallard
09/14/21 1:16:16 AM
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I just checked out the vocal OST for the first time in a while and I think they're missing a track? Like there's Life Will Change, but there's another song in vanilla P5 that has a line in the chorus that's like "surrounded by demons" or something.

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Punished_Joseph
09/14/21 1:17:44 AM
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Illuminoius posted...
etrian odyssey is made by atlus and has better combat

smt is so limited because all your tools are samey and boring and you approach almost everything the same way and can bulldoze through the whole series relying on the same exact strat. buffs and debuffs are super op and it's incredibly hard to die if you use them properly, and "spam weakness button" or "alternate charge and then your strongest skill" isn't exciting gameplay for your dpses. in nocturne i legit autobattle most bosses after the first two turns because buffs and debuffs are honestly just that broken

press turn is so extremely weighed in your favor that getting crits and hitting weaknesses dramatically boosts your damage while your increased evade rate means that the enemy will rarely get to take advantage of it. press turn is so incredibly stupid because it rewards the player dramatically for the most basic fucking decision making you can ever use make as a magic user in an rpg

it's serviceable combat and it can be fun to stomp things with overpowered demons but i wouldn't say it's complex or a high standard for the genre

Battles require more thought than most jrpgs and the fun is in the customization you can do with demons/persona. Obv if you know all the mechanics its easy, mr hardcore

I agree etrian odyssey has good gameplay-- but only in so far as how youre free to build/customize your party anyway you want and the insane combos you can stumble on

Smt is def one of the better jrpg battle systems but that's not a high bar when most are easy as hell "spam attack to win"

Youre not giving it fair credit
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Kloe_Rinz
09/14/21 1:19:38 AM
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Persona 5 is a top 10 game of all time
maybe even top 5
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LordFarquad1312
09/14/21 1:21:15 AM
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MrMallard posted...
I just checked out the vocal OST for the first time in a while and I think they're missing a track? Like there's Life Will Change, but there's another song in vanilla P5 that has a line in the chorus that's like "surrounded by demons" or something.
Rivers in the desert?
Tough the line is "a heartbeat for a tin man"

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Kloe_Rinz
09/14/21 1:22:15 AM
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Sounds like heartbeat for a demon as well
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MrMallard
09/14/21 1:24:39 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Rivers in the desert?
Tough the line is "a heartbeat for a tin man"
That's the one, thanks. Both playlists didn't have it

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PiOverlord
09/14/21 2:04:13 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Oh man, I forgot about that. Didn't Square delay FFXV solely so it wouldn't compete with Persona 5? >_> I remember that was the rumor
It's very hard for me to remember myself, lol. Looking at the release dates, I could see it; I just remember FFXV taking a bit to come out.

All I remember is that when both games came out, the Persona 5 Fans dunked on FFXV hopefuls. It'll be cool if Persona 6 and FFXVI spark up another war if they end up close to each other again.

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 7:41:27 AM
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I just have vague memories of Square announcing FFXV for September. Then Persona 5 announced for September. Then less than a week after that, Square was like "UHHHHH! Actually we're releasing FFXV in November!" lol

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teep_
09/14/21 8:19:35 AM
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I first played Persona with 4 Golden on Steam in Summer 2020. Fell in love with it almost straight away. I was hyped for the other games, but had no way to play them. I bought P5R for the PS4 during a Christmas sale at a local retailers and in June of this year, I got my hands on a PS4 Pro and inaugurated it with P5R. Amazing from start to finish (apart from one boss, and not the one you think).

It's my second favourite game of all time, and has the best combat in a turn based RPG I've ever played
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M_Live
09/14/21 8:21:42 AM
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One day I'll actually finish Persona 5. I got it on release, beat the first dungeon, and then shelved it because I was like 20 hours in and literally had only completed one dungeon lol.

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 8:25:35 AM
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M_Live posted...
One day I'll actually finish Persona 5. I got it on release, beat the first dungeon, and then shelved it because I was like 20 hours in and literally had only completed one dungeon lol.
All the Persona games are pretty long >_> P3 takes about 100 hrs. P4 takes about 80 hrs. And P5 is probably the longest at 120 hrs.

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Number090684
09/14/21 8:27:45 AM
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Hopefully Atlus has one more P5 themed game for us in the works to announce this month that is not P5 Arena. Would prefer if it plays like P5 Royal combat wise with some changes as well.
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teep_
09/14/21 8:28:06 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
M_Live posted...
One day I'll actually finish Persona 5. I got it on release, beat the first dungeon, and then shelved it because I was like 20 hours in and literally had only completed one dungeon lol.
All the Persona games are pretty long >_> P3 takes about 100 hrs. P4 takes about 80 hrs. And P5 is probably the longest at 120 hrs.

I beat 4G in ~45 hours and 5R in ~80

True ending etc
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teep_
09/14/21 8:29:07 AM
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Also, P5R predicting CoVIDiots is the funniest thing ever
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FurryPhilosifer
09/14/21 8:29:20 AM
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I had played 4 Golden, then 3 Portable, and by the time I got to 5 Royal I was quite disappointed. It was still great obviously, but I connected to the characters of 4 and 3 a lot more. Gameplay was a monumental improvement though.

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 8:30:26 AM
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teep_ posted...
I beat 4G in ~45 hours and 5R in ~80

True ending etc
Well it took me that long lol. I like to go through them slow tho >_>

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Turbam
09/14/21 8:30:28 AM
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My favorite thing about the Persona 5 release was Yoko Taro's statement on it about Automata. It was something along the lines of
"I can't believe that my game comes out right in the middle of Breath of the Wild and Persona 5. Nintendo and Sega, please delay."

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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 8:32:56 AM
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FurryPhilosifer posted...
I had played 4 Golden, then 3 Portable, and by the time I got to 5 Royal I was quite disappointed. It was still great obviously, but I connected to the characters of 4 and 3 a lot more. Gameplay was a monumental improvement though.
imo I would rate it as:

P4G > P5R > P3FES > P3P

Now I had to include all the vanilla versions too >_> Then:

P4G > P5R > P3FES > P3P > P5 > P3 > P4

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teep_
09/14/21 8:33:50 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
teep_ posted...
I beat 4G in ~45 hours and 5R in ~80

True ending etc
Well it took me that long lol. I like to go through them slow tho >_>

Fair enough. I'll do my replay at a slower pace, probably
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 10:17:15 AM
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Kawakami > Ann > Takemi > Hifumi > Kasumi > Makoto > Futaba > Ohya > Haru > Chihaya

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Number090684
09/14/21 10:21:02 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Kawakami > Ann > Takemi > Hifumi > Kasumi > Makoto > Futaba > Ohya > Haru > Chihaya

Damn this is somewhat close to my ranking early on, but later on it goes to shit. Ohya should always be dead last.
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 10:24:59 AM
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Number090684 posted...
Ohya should always be dead last.
I respect the fuck out of Ohya. She tries to sneak you drinks like a bro and at rank 10, she takes you out to a nice view of town to profess her love to you. Then you go back to her apartment, she feeds you a full-course meal, and then she fucks your brains out.

She may not have the waifu factor, but she knows how to treat a man right >_>

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/14/21 10:27:24 AM
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playing P5R and currently on Shido rn. still making preparations before infiltrating his palace.

that big twist involving Akechi caught me off guard btw! >_>
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Turbam
09/14/21 10:28:42 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
playing P5R and currently on Shido rn. still making preparations before infiltrating his palace.

that big twist involving Akechi caught me off guard btw! >_>
It may be different in Royal, but i knew about Akechi when he slipped up and talked about pancakes

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Number090684
09/14/21 10:31:39 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
I respect the fuck out of Ohya. She tries to sneak you drinks like a bro and at rank 10, she takes you out to a nice view of town to profess her love to you. Then you go back to her apartment, she feeds you a full-course meal, and then she fucks your brains out.

She may not have the waifu factor, but she knows how to treat a man right >_>

But she's a spent lush who hangs out alone in seedy dive. Lala's comments are the best part of the entire confidant.
Well that and her boss who initially gives no fucks and tears into Lala.
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Number090684
09/14/21 10:32:27 AM
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Turbam posted...
It may be different in Royal, but i knew about Akechi when he slipped up and talked about pancakes

It's not.
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teep_
09/14/21 12:12:17 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
playing P5R and currently on Shido rn. still making preparations before infiltrating his palace.

that big twist involving Akechi caught me off guard btw! >_>

the best stretch of the game has begun. Everything starting from Shido's palace until the very end is amazing

Do you know the requirements for the extra content?
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 1:53:57 PM
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Well it's too late now I think. You have to max out certain S Links before the casino dungeon, right?

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MC_BatCommander
09/14/21 1:57:00 PM
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You have to max out Maruki prior to some cutoff in November, the game tells you the last date he's available.

That's the only requirement for the extra content as far as I know.


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ZevLoveDOOM
09/14/21 2:41:19 PM
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i ended up at level 6 with Maruki.

guess i'll need an extra playthrough to get to the true ending then...
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 2:51:06 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
i ended up at level 6 with Maruki.

guess i'll need an extra playthrough to get to the true ending then...
Whoops

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Seaman_Prime
09/14/21 2:54:24 PM
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I was super hyped I had 120+ hours on Persona 4 but I got tired of waiting and decided to try out Nocturne and instantly became a mainline purist lol. Eventually I tried P5 Royal and got bored with it 20 hours in :(
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Phantom_Nook
09/14/21 2:59:40 PM
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I wasn't on the hype train at all. I didn't have a Sony system until 2019, so Persona anything wasn't on my radar. Once I got a PS4, I tried it out, since Joker was in Smash.

Loved it to death.
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teep_
09/14/21 3:47:58 PM
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Freedom and Security is the best palace theme and best non-vocal track. I listen to it whenever I need to focus and/or chill
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NeonOctopus
09/14/21 8:23:38 PM
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NeonOctopus
09/15/21 8:44:27 AM
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MrMallard
09/15/21 8:46:22 AM
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Happy Birthday Persona 5

it's old enough to go to kindergarten and eat paste


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