Poll of the Day > Tales of Arise comes out next week...are you getting it?

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If I had a PS5, I'd get it day 1
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No, but that's largely because I don't have anything to play it on

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MechaKirby posted...

If I had a PS5, I'd get it day 1

You scared me. I thought I missed that it was PS5 exclusive.

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Definitely getting it, and who knows how much I'll enjoy it, tales games are different enough from one another that someone can love one and hate another

Not immediately. Need to know if it will run in proton first.

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Yup day 1

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Kotenks posted...

I'm very disappointed with their decision to remove multiplayer

oh no they don't let someone else join in you battle for the 10 seconds it takes to do the battle

multiplayer in tales games have always been there purely as a joke

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Eventually yeah. Loved Zestiria and Berseria so have decent expectations for it.

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Preordered it. I was going to swear off the series after Zestiria if I had also disliked Berseria, but I ended up really liking Berseria, so I'll give Arise a go.

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Maybe at a later date. My backlog is building far too much.

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Probably later, my copy of hajimari is coming in a couple days.

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Kotenks posted...

No. I'm very disappointed with their decision to remove multiplayer. If they patch it in at a later date, I may pick it up.

:{O

I didnt know that ;;

I was planning on playing it with my wife

day 1 if i had a gpu, but waiting until then

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Kotenks posted...

It's never been a joke. It's been one of the best experiences I've had playing games with my brothers, we've done it for years.We're going through one of the old ones and having a blast now.

Yeah, my friends and I played the shit out of Symphonia in 4 player mode. The dude is just sulking because he has no friends to play it with.
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I may get it eventually. I have a backlog of gaming projects to get through, however, not counting some things to polish off in FFXIV before the expansion comes out in November. So it may be December or January when I get around to the new Tales game.

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No. I enjoy very few JRPGs.

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Love Tales game games, but I'll pick it up when it's $20. Now if it were on Switch...

Oh maybe. I'll see about preordering if it doesn't have Denuvo.
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Didn't have time to read the other posts before making my post.

Kotenks posted...

No. I'm very disappointed with their decision to remove multiplayer. If they patch it in at a later date, I may pick it up.

I guess they learned they were too incompetent to differentiate between somebody playing single player and having multiple people playing.

TheFalseDeity posted...

Eventually yeah. Loved Zestiria and Berseria so have decent expectations for it.

I'm sorry.
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Revelation34 posted...

Oh maybe. I'll see about preordering if it doesn't have Denuvo.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/tales-of-arise-wont-have-denuvo-will-support-framerates-up-to-144fps/

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people who bitch about denuvo always make me laugh

because denuvo doesn't do anything except stop pirates really well.

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Maybe. I never finished Berseria.
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Probably not. The last Tales game I played was Xillia and I wasn't really a fan

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xillia was a bad one, so that's not surprising

xillia 2 is better but still not good. zesteria was actually decent. people just tend to shit on it because it changed so, so much, even from xillia.

berseria is fantastic though.

there is a demo for arise, and it's, uh, different. give it a try, i guess?

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Picking it up for PS4 on Day 1. Would have grabbed it for Switch if that were an option, though.

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helIy posted...

because denuvo doesn't do anything except stop pirates really well.

A few days is really well?

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most denuvo games are still unpirated


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helIy posted...

xillia was a bad one, so that's not surprising

xillia 2 is better but still not good. zesteria was actually decent. people just tend to shit on it because it changed so, so much, even from xillia.

berseria is fantastic though.

there is a demo for arise, and it's, uh, different. give it a try, i guess?

Helly Opinion /10

Xillia was mostly good, with glaring flaws in its narrative, until what should have been the halfway point if previous Tales games were anything to go by. Then the game was over in like another five or six hours, dragged on to ten if you're a completionist.

Xillia 2 improved the narrative and pacing, but became a little obnoxious with the debt collecting. Completionists were also annoyed by the rng behind the cats. Additionally, if you were good enough to cheese the combo counter, you were probably also good enough to get a high combo legitimately, which is a roundabout way of saying the rehashed combat from the previous game, even with a weapon-changing main character, was getting tired to the point of people wanting a break from it.

Zestiria was disliked because it was actually bad. It regressed the combat to movement in The Abyss, if not before that. The story and most characters was atrocious. The dialogue was one of the worst in a JRPG. That said, people do seem to like the music, so I guess it had that much going for it?

Berseria was good, but to call it fantastic sounds like its flaws are being ignored when there are nearly as many as Vesperia or Xillia. There were certainly more skits than Vesperia; that's for sure.

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helIy posted...

most denuvo games are still unpirated

https://www.reddit.com/r/CrackWatch/comments/lnbi5a/crack_watch_games/

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helIy posted...

because denuvo doesn't do anything except stop pirates really well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo#Criticism
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the criticisms are from filthy pirates who are angry that they can't pirate whatever game and hold no actual weight in real world circumstances

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Pirates are really angry they get a better performing version of the game by not paying, right.

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Entity13 posted...

Zestiria was disliked because it was actually bad. It regressed the combat to movement in The Abyss, if not before that. The story and most characters was atrocious. The dialogue was one of the worst in a JRPG. That said, people do seem to like the music, so I guess it had that much going for it?

lmao

no.

zesterias story was better tha berserias.

regardless.

abyss: 75
symphonia: 86
vesperia: 79
xillia: 78
xillia 2: 71
zestiria: 77
berseria: 79

these are metacritic scores. weird how, despite zestiria being hated so much, it's one of the higher scoring mainline tales games since abyss. (abyss being the universally praised tales games, btw. and it scored lower.)

inb4 reviews don't matter

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Maybe eventually. I'm kinda horrible at tales games and never finish them. I do like them but they do not jive with me

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helIy posted...

zesterias story was better tha berserias.

Your opinions, man... You're welcome to them, but they're awful. In this case, Zestiria is a boy who sees angelic people loves to explore caves and ruins, meets a girl he develops chemistry with before they fully bond, follows her to return a blade she dropped before going to explore again, she leaves for . . . just reasons, really, and the void is filled with a separate girl whom the mc has zero chemistry with (and her best scene is overreacting to hearing the seraphim's voices). Then we finally meet the big bad, and . . . I guess we just have to beat him for reasons when the mc has shit for stakes in that fight?

Berseria had a better story. Eternia had a better story. Xillia, for its issues with motivations and story beats, had a better story.

helIy posted...

abyss: 75
symphonia: 86
vesperia: 79
xillia: 78
xillia 2: 71
zestiria: 77
berseria: 79

these are metacritic scores. weird how, despite zestiria being hated so much, it's one of the higher scoring mainline tales games since abyss.

Such an odd flex failure since, if you eliminate Symphonia, Symphonia II, LegendzzzZZZzzz, the Abyss, and everything before Symphonia (Phantasia, Destiny I and II, and Eternia) you end up with a game that ranks second lowest among the main titles, and you can see this by looking at the very same numbers you have provided. Only Xillia 2 scored lower, discounting the Abyss. That indeed says nothing about the legitimacy of such scores, and how such scores tend to disregard what is actually good or bad about a game.

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helIy posted...

people who bitch about denuvo always make me laugh

because denuvo doesn't do anything except stop pirates really well.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

helIy posted...

xillia was a bad one, so that's not surprising

xillia 2 is better but still not good. zesteria was actually decent. people just tend to shit on it because it changed so, so much, even from xillia.

berseria is fantastic though.

there is a demo for arise, and it's, uh, different. give it a try, i guess?

Zestiria has a shit battle system only because of the shit crafting/fusion system. I'll attempt to 100% it but it looks like a massive pain in the ass.

Entity13 posted...

nearly as many as Vesperia

Wat. That one is probably the least flawed from the ones I have played.
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Maybe at a later date but I'm not feeling that into it. Perhaps I'll instead play Zestiria or Legendia.

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mrHowlll posted...

Maybe at a later date but I'm not feeling that into it. Perhaps I'll instead play Zestiria or Legendia.

Legendia is severely underrated. I hope they remake it one day. Hell all of the old ones could use that.
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Just preordered it.
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Revelation34 posted...

Wat. That one is probably the least flawed from the ones I have played.

You should play more of them. xD

Revelation34 posted...

Just preordered it.

I would have, but Amazon has a nasty habit of not even shipping the item on the day of release . . . unless I pay a stupid amount of money for Prime membership. I can literally get the game anywhere else on release day without giving money to Bezos, nor even going as far as pre-ordering it, so... yeah. *shrugs*

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Entity13 posted...

You should play more of them. xD

I would have, but Amazon has a nasty habit of not even shipping the item on the day of release . . . unless I pay a stupid amount of money for Prime membership. I can literally get the game anywhere else on release day without giving money to Bezos, nor even going as far as pre-ordering it, so... yeah. *shrugs*

Ideally I'd have a PS5 or PS4. Have to get everything for PC.
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i'll buy it on sale. i'm in no hurry. looks pretty fun though, ok?

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Entity13 posted...

Such an odd flex failure since, if you eliminate Symphonia, Symphonia II, LegendzzzZZZzzz, the Abyss, and everything before Symphonia (Phantasia, Destiny I and II, and Eternia) you end up with a game that ranks second lowest among the main titles, and you can see this by looking at the very same numbers you have provided. Only Xillia 2 scored lower, discounting the Abyss. That indeed says nothing about the legitimacy of such scores, and how such scores tend to disregard what is actually good or bad about a game.

i started with abyss because thats the game that made the series popular. not to mention that everything before it is not even very well known

phantasia was always an obscure SNES game completely overshadowed by final fantasy, destiny is a niche PS1 game, destiny 2 never even got localized, eternia is what got called destiny 2 in its localization.

aside from that, the rest of the tales games are spinoffs, not mainline titles, which is why they were omitted considering I specifically said mainline titles.

also, everything before abyss wasn't very well received to start with, and that's not saying much for the spinoffs either.

but sure, if you want to compare everything except the games that scored lower than Zestiria, for some reason, then sure, Zestiria isn't very good.

but that's stupid, because that's not how comparisons work. if you omit the things that are lower, then you're just being biased based off of your own feelings.

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Bulbasaur posted...

i started with abyss because thats the game that made the series popular. not to mention that everything before it is not even very well known

I'm pretty sure Symphonia was the one that made the series popular in the west, and Abyss was one that rode the early stages of that worldwide popularity. Legendia tried to ride it too, but... I sleep.

Bulbasaur posted...

phantasia was always an obscure SNES game completely overshadowed by final fantasy, destiny is a niche PS1 game, destiny 2 never even got localized, eternia is what got called destiny 2 in its localization.

The SNES version of Phantasia met with the same fate as the first Star Ocean. Good game, but the publishers and localization teams were looking at the next gen consoles at that point.

Namco didn't really put a lot of effort into marketing the Tales games until Symphonia succeeded by some miracle. Eternia, it's true, did get called Destiny II before Destiny II was actually made, but then that was rectified with the PSP version of Eternia. I don't think Namco cared enough to let us have the actual Destiny II. Heck, the only reason I have the PSP Eternia is because I got lucky with finding it in a used game store, because the US didn't get many copies of it. <_<

Bulbasaur posted...

aside from that, the rest of the tales games are spinoffs, not mainline titles, which is why they were omitted considering I specifically said mainline titles.

Right... which is why I wasn't bringing up the non-mainline titles. I will say, however, that Innocence, Hearts, and Graces were mainline and excluded from your list of scores, and we never talked about those nor Rebirth (which followed Symphonia). If you were to redo the list of scores to include those three games that came out after Abyss, then Zestiria might, maybe, sit on a higher rank?

Bulbasaur posted...

also, everything before abyss wasn't very well received to start with, and that's not saying much for the spinoffs either.

Symphonia (2003) was before the Abyss (2005). It was quite-well received, even as people continued to make fun of one particular scene to the point of excluding the context behind it.

Bulbasaur posted...

but sure, if you want to compare everything except the games that scored lower than Zestiria, for some reason, then sure, Zestiria isn't very good.

but that's stupid, because that's not how comparisons work. if you omit the things that are lower, then you're just being biased based off of your own feelings.

Way to misread what I said. Going forward, I expect better of you.

The reason I said "excluding the Abyss," is because the very same post with those scores listed also said, and I am paraphrasing here, "Zestiria is one of the highest scores since the Abyss." When someone says the best or worst since a particular past example, I discount the particular past example as if it were the ground level of a building with so many floors above it. My statement was that the actual, not-even-first-grade-level math did not match what had been said. Abyss was the second lowest given by the provided scores, but also the default point given; Zestiria was literally listed as the second lowest when you discount Abyss, but third lowest of seven when you include it. So let's take a step away from this moot point of the since clause for a moment.

The third lowest of seven, or second lowest of six, either way, is not even halfway to the top. That is not "one of the best" unless you did count the spin-offs, which we've established are not part of this count. Going by the same metric you are using of omitting the spin-offs, and looking solely at critic scores, such a position is, by definition, one of the worst.

Feelings had nothing to do with what I said. Does that make things clearer for you?

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Bulbasaur posted...

aside from that, the rest of the tales games are spinoffs, not mainline titles, which is why they were omitted considering I specifically said mainline titles.

What the hell are you talking about? Only one game could possibly be called a spinoff and that's the sequel to Symphonia.
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Bulbasaur posted...

i started with abyss because thats the game that made the series popular. not to mention that everything before it is not even very well known

The break-out entry is definitely Symphonia. I would say Symphonia, Abyss and Vesperia are somewhat of a mechanical trilogy, with Abyss being the least popular of the 3. (It not getting a worldwide release originally definitely both helps that idea as a support and cause)

Remember, Abyss only got a non-worldwide release on PS2 and a rerelease on handheld. Both Symhponia and Vesperia got an updated release during their original release generation and another one for last/current console gen and PC. Of the main/popular releases, Abyss is definitely the black sheep of the bunch.

Also, Tales has its own naming system of "Mothership" and "Escort" titles. Which yes, basically means Main releases and Spin-offs.

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I don't know why helly is pretending Abyss is more popular than Symphonia (in the west).
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Revelation34 posted...

What the hell are you talking about? Only one game could possibly be called a spinoff and that's the sequel to Symphonia.

Actually, no, there are definitely spin-off titles in the franchise, some of which are basically akin to FF Dissidia, iirc.

https://tales-of.fandom.com/wiki/Tales_of_(Series)#Escort_and_Spin-off_Titles

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