Current Events > More proof that the real "cancel culture" comes from the right

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Straightup McCarthy bullshit:

https://twitter.com/lindsayaellis/status/1422245919320326158

"which lacked context and perspective on the complexity of slavery".

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Posted by Lindsay Ellis, who would disagree with you as the left attempted to cancel her for almost nothing. This is coming from both extremes, there's nothing to be gained from turning a blind eye to half of this madness for political reasons, this will consume all life if we don't figure this shit out

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So cancel culture does exist

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Always has been.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_popular_than_Jesus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_in_Boston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

sevihaimerej posted...

Posted by Lindsay Ellis, who would disagree with you as the left attempted to cancel her for almost nothing. This is coming from both extremes, there's nothing to be gained from turning a blind eye to half of this madness for political reasons, this will consume all life if we don't figure this shit out

This is not the Youtuber Lindsay Ellis, which should be blatantly obvious given the context but go off

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Shezarr posted...

This is not the Youtuber Lindsay Ellis, which should be blatantly obvious given the context but go off

K, jumped the gun a bit there but my point still stands. I actually have principles and "it's only wrong when my ideological opponents do it" doesn't jive well with me. I see no benefit to ignoring this very real problem, it should be called out wherever it exists rather than only when convenient

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sevihaimerej posted...

K, jumped the gun a bit there but my point still stands. I actually have principles and "it's only wrong when my ideological opponents do it" doesn't jive well with me. I see no benefit to ignoring this very real problem, it should be called out wherever it exists rather than only when convenient

"I was wrong, but will double down to show how I'm actually right" lmao shut the fuck up

Whenever "the left" tries to cancel someone/something, it's typically because the subject in question attempts to normalize or push problematic viewpoints, usually someone being hateful in some way, and it usually doesn't result in anything meaningful happening anyway

Right wing cancellation has included incredibly wide sweeping campaigns like McCarthyism and Satanic Panic, which end up having real consequences to normal people, not just celebrities and businesses. Left wing cancel culture doesn't go after average Joe, so it's not in the least bit comparable

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Its pretty obvious that the right and the self proclaimed left both indulge in censorship (cancel culture). Both are wrong, but its more harmful when the left does it because it sets back progressive causes.

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AloneIBreak posted...

Its pretty obvious that the right and the self proclaimed left both indulge in censorship (cancel culture). Both are wrong, but its more harmful when the left does it because it sets back progressive causes.

Do you have some examples to prove your last point?

AloneIBreak posted...

Both are wrong, but its more harmful when the left does it because it sets back progressive causes.

Lol another right wing tactic to frame every misstep a leftist makes is much worse because they should know better

AloneIBreak posted...

Its pretty obvious that the right and the self proclaimed left both indulge in censorship (cancel culture). Both are wrong, but its more harmful when the left does it because it sets back progressive causes.

Boy I'm glad we have Trumpers to tell us what sets the cause back

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I agree with the letter. Journalistic integrity does not exist in Leftist/Liberal publications, and this should be obvious to anyone who digs into the trash "articles" these same companies spew out.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Do you have some examples to prove your last point?

My argument is that leftist cancel culture will result in Republicans seizing the opportunity to become the free speech party. Americans feel pretty strongly, in theory at least, about free speech and will cast their votes over the issue. By making free speech a right wing position, progressives will actively cause people to vote Republican, thus hindering the enactment of progressive policies.
Trump isnt as stupid as we like to imagine and is already seizing the opportunity. Time will tell if this comes to fruition.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-j-trump-why-im-suing-big-tech-11625761897

NullAndVoidFC posted...

Lol another right wing tactic to frame every misstep a leftist makes is much worse because they should know better

Not my argument at all, but I hope you feel better having voiced your opinion.

Shezarr posted...

Boy I'm glad we have Trumpers to tell us what sets the cause back

Libertarian socialist, actually. Wouldnt vote for Trump under almost any circumstance. Awful president, awful human. But by all means, carry on.

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I'm tired of hearing about the left versus Mr. Potato Head and Aunt Jemima, while the right pushes for laws like legalizing running over protesters.

Republicans will turn this country into redneck North Korea overnight if they ever get the chance. The libertarian branch has been defeated by the authoritarian branch with Hitler fanboys like Madison Cawthorn and Marjorie Taylor Greene wanting to throw Asians out of the United States. Libertarians need to wake up if they can't see it. It's only going to be worse and worse authoritarianism from here with the right.

There's no equivalence with "cancel culture" and there's never going to be any equivalence, despite clowns Bill Maher trying to make his whole career about this subject.

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Gwynevere posted...

"I was wrong, but will double down to show how I'm actually right" lmao shut the fuck up

Whenever "the left" tries to cancel someone/something, it's typically because the subject in question attempts to normalize or push problematic viewpoints, usually someone being hateful in some way, and it usually doesn't result in anything meaningful happening anyway

Right wing cancellation has included incredibly wide sweeping campaigns like McCarthyism and Satanic Panic, which end up having real consequences to normal people, not just celebrities and businesses. Left wing cancel culture doesn't go after average Joe, so it's not in the least bit comparable

I only use "the left" since the OP generalized "the right" as some monolith, only slightly inaccurate in this case but lazy generalizations are never good. I admitted I was wrong about a person's identity, that only nullified the voracity of around 4% of the overall meaning of my post so I just went with it. Also agree "the right" goes in pretty hard with their style of cancel culture, not here to fight you on any of that, just that there is a rot on the progressive side of things that is exactly the same beast as the outrage culture of the right. Humans love drama, humans love feeling self righteous, humans love defeating a perceived evil, my thing is I don't believe in evil...the devil is just a misunderstood lighthouse keeper after all. I just don't like left wing cancel culture, more because of the strange effects it has on the participants than about the actual targets, analyzing the Lindsay Ellis (YouTuber) situation was what initially brought me to make these observations so that's kinda what brings us here.
I get it though, this kinda stuff probably doesn't fascinate or concern you in the way it does me and that's fine, I could be wrong and Twitter could be slowly helping these people evolve into beings with godlike abilities, but to me it does seem like insanity most of the time and think Twitter should be studied so we can make sure it isn't the manifestation of some Lovecraftian deity

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Both sides are guilty of the same thing while pointing fingers at each other accusing each other of doing the same thing.

AloneIBreak posted...

My argument is that leftist cancel culture will result in Republicans seizing the opportunity to become the free speech party. Americans feel pretty strongly, in theory at least, about free speech and will cast their votes over the issue. By making free speech a right wing position, progressives will actively cause people to vote Republican, thus hindering the enactment of progressive policies.
Trump isnt as stupid as we like to imagine and is already seizing the opportunity. Time will tell if this comes to fruition.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-j-trump-why-im-suing-big-tech-11625761897

No I follow your argument, I'm asking for proof of your predictions based on current trends/events.

For example a survey saying that "free speech" has single issue voters (similar to abortion and gun rights). Or a broader survey that show the right as being more and more perceived as "guardians of free speech".

Ruvan22 posted...

No I follow your argument, I'm asking for proof of your predictions based on current trends/events.

For example a survey saying that "free speech" has single issue voters (similar to abortion and gun rights). Or a broader survey that show the right as being more and more perceived as "guardians of free speech".

Im not aware of any polls on the subject. It could be insightful though if someone were to do national polling on free speech in the context of cancel culture. Id be glad to be proven wrong because I dont want this to happen.

I think were early enough in the process that whether or not people are convinced that the right is the guardian of free speech, to use your terms, is yet to be decided. The article I posted in support of my position (the most prominent and most powerful Republican in the party framing Republicans as the free speech party part of a more board strategy in which the right presents itself as victimized to galvanize fury), is somewhat recent, as far as national trends are concerned. Well see if the narrative intensifies as elections draw nearer.

The existence of single issue free speech voters would be convenient for our purposes, but I dont think that casting your vote over this issue necessarily makes you a single issue voter. At least not in the no matter what Im voting for whoever is pro/anti [whatever], sense, though those people may exist.

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Bump to respond tomorrow

"Which lacked context and perspective on the complexity of slavery..."

Yeesh
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