Current Events > Looking back at it, lifting the mask mandate was a bad idea huh?

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It was clearly a really bad idea back then too though. Are we gonna continue fucking this shit up or what
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The CDC fucked up. Really, we need a vaccine mandate rather than a mask one.

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lol in what America?

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Looking bad? It was a bad idea the moment it was thought of.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Looking bad? It was a bad idea the moment it was thought of.

this

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It was an absolutely terrible idea and it blows my mind that it happened. We knew the Delta was bad. We knew it was more contagious.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

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The only reason they lifted it was because of political/economic pressure, not because it was the right thing to do

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hockeybub89 posted...

The CDC fucked up. Really, we need a vaccine mandate rather than a mask one.

Seems more like gross negligence at this point because it was very clearly a bad idea when they announced it. Making vaccines required to travel and enter businesses would be a start.
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What's really bad (for us in S.C.) is that the governor claims there is no way to enforce masking, so he will not make another mandate, no matter how bad it gets.

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Look at all these armchair doctors in here thinking they know better than the CDC
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Yes.

Lockdowns, it's understandable to want to lift as soon as possible. They're very economically damaging, and aren't exactly great for peoples' mental health either. (Even then, the USA lifted them far too early; all I'm saying is that I understand why countries / states might want to get out of lockdown ASAP.)

Mask mandates on the other hand have basically negligable impact on day-to-day life, compared to what they're helping to prevent, and should really only be lifted once the virus is basically not a threat anymore.

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Mr Hangman posted...

Wearing masks was a good idea. Mask mandates never were. They don't do anything to raise compliance. And they certainly don't serve any purpose in places where everyone who wants to get vaccinated has been and everyone else has had every opportunity to do so.

I dunno man. Everyone was wearing masks here a few months ago. Then they lifted the mandate and no one was wearing masks. Now that the governor reinstated the mandate everyone is wearing masks again. Seems like it works.
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Mr Hangman posted...

Wearing masks was a good idea. Mask mandates never were. They don't do anything to raise compliance. And they certainly don't serve any purpose in places where everyone who wants to get vaccinated has been and everyone else has had every opportunity to do so.

Member when idiots said that about seatbelts?

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LightHawKnight posted...

Member when idiots said that about seatbelts?

I wear mine but still firmly believe it shouldn't be law to wear one. People who do that only affect themselves, meaning they're not putting others at risk of harm but themselves.
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not like it really mattered. the red states were doing it long before the CDC said shit, and republicans where point blank refusing to wear masks all throughout.

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voldothegr8 posted...

I wear mine but still firmly believe it shouldn't be law to wear one. People who do that only affect themselves, meaning they're not putting others at risk of harm but themselves.

if i've got to treat your dumb ass in the ER because you though it would be a good idea to launch yourself through your own windshield it sure as shit is effecting me.

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monkmith posted...

if i've got to treat your dumb ass in the ER because you though it would be a good idea to launch yourself through your own windshield it sure as shit is effecting me.

If the wreak was that bad you'd be treating them anyway. I also doubt many people survive an ejection anyway, but they knew the risks of not wearing a seat belt.
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voldothegr8 posted...

If the wreak was that bad you'd be treating them anyway. I also doubt many people survive an ejection anyway, but they knew the risks of not wearing a seat belt.

you'd be surprised what a drunk and survive.

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monkmith posted...

not like it really mattered. the red states were doing it long before the CDC said shit, and republicans where point blank refusing to wear masks all throughout.

Shit, it worked here I'm VA. Other than a few jackasses, almost everyone was masked up. And I live in a conservative area with 44% vaccinated. Once it was lifted here, they were gone.

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100%

I wonder what type of next level weed they must have been smoking.

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Your risk goes down substantially once you get the jab. Vaccines have been widely available for a while now, if they dont want to get it that is their decision to take on the risk. Im not gonna mask up for them.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Your risk goes down substantially once you get the jab. Vaccines have been widely available for a while now, if they dont want to get it that is their decision to take on the risk. Im not gonna mask up for them.

What about for the people who can't be vaccinated? What about in general, the risk of new variants?

I'm 100% behind not giving a shit about anti-vaxxers, but they're not the only ones who stand to suffer from lack of mask usage among vaccinated people. This is kinda the same thing as "why do I need to wear a mask if I socially distance" all over again; the vaccine is extra protection, not 100% protection.

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Trumble posted...

What about for the people who can't be vaccinated? What about in general, the risk of new variants?

I'm 100% behind not giving a shit about anti-vaxxers, but they're not the only ones who stand to suffer from lack of mask usage among vaccinated people. This is kinda the same thing as "why do I need to wear a mask if I socially distance" all over again; the vaccine is extra protection, not 100% protection.

If you are for mask mandates, you are definitely giving a shit about anti-vaxxers. You are basically saying "hey guys, let's protect those who won't get the jab!"

Bleuets posted...

If you are for mask mandates, you are definitely giving a shit about anti-vaxxers. You are basically saying "hey guys, let's protect those who won't get the jab!"

No, I'm saying "let's protect those who can't get the jab, as well as protecting ourselves against the threat of variants; instead of making things worse for those people just to own the anti-vaxxers".

If we wanna do something about the anti-vaxxers, let's look at making the vaccine mandatory, or quarantining those who are able but unwilling to get it. I'm 100% fine with those, as they don't negatively impact people who did the right thing (or would do so if they were able to).

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In the rare case that someone cant get the vaccine, then they can take extra precautions. We dont do anything special for people who cant get the flu shot or chicken pox vaccine.

As for the risk of new variants, Im not going to run around scared about some theoretical possibility, every virus that exists can mutate and be dangerous, we cant make policy on the what if scenarios or else this pandemic will literally never end.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

In the rare case that someone cant get the vaccine, then they can take extra precautions. We dont do anything special for people who cant get the flu shot or chicken pox vaccine.

As for the risk of new variants, Im not going to run around scared about some theoretical possibility, every virus that exists can mutate and be dangerous, we cant make policy on the what if scenarios or else this pandemic will literally never end.

It's not a what if scenario. We're already in the world of the Delta variant which is more severe AND as infectious as chickenpox. It was allowed to spread due to the lack of vaccination in India, the UK, and the US. The Lambda variant has already been identified and is also vaccine resistant.

Not masking up and not vaxxing up is going to get a lot of people killed and society re-shut down, regardless of your reason for doing so.


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legendary_zell posted...

It's not a what if scenario. We're already in the world of the Delta variant which is more severe AND as infectious as chickenpox. It was allowed to spread due to the lack of vaccination in India, the UK, and the US. The Lambda variant has already been identified and is also vaccine resistant.

Not masking up and not vaxxing up is going to get a lot of people killed and society re-shut down, regardless of your reason for doing so.

Delta is not more severe, it killed waaaaay less people in the UK

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Delta is not more severe, it killed waaaaay less people in the UK

Data out of Australia, where they can actually track individual cases and still have a significant unvaccinated population, suggests otherwise.

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LightHawKnight posted...

Looking bad? It was a bad idea the moment it was thought of.

This so hard. Idk who the fuck thought it was a good idea to do this or even open things back up to 100% capacity. Even Steve Wonder could see it was a dumb af idea. People so eager to return to nothing.

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metallica846 posted...

i think its working as intended. Cases back on the rise and scaring the hesitant to get the vaccine without overloading hospitals nationwide. Great success.

Agreed. Vaccinations are up and we've now hit 70% in the country who have the first dose. Particularly in the South, people know someone who now has it and didn't vaccinated. They don't want to be next.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Delta is not more severe

The CDC says that it is more severe. But I acknowledge that the jury is still very much out on that point.
There's no question that it spreads way more quickly and takes advantage of unvaccinated populations though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

It may be more deadly and spread more and still kill fewer people because a substantial portion of the people getting it are vaxxed. That's still an argument for vaxxing and masking.

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legendary_zell posted...

The CDC says that it is more severe. But I acknowledge that the jury is still very much out on that point.
There's no question that it spreads way more quickly and takes advantage of unvaccinated populations though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

It may be more deadly and spread more and still kill fewer people because a substantial portion of the people getting it are vaxxed. That's still an argument for vaxxing and masking.

Yeah the important point is that it is a lot less severe for a vaccinated person (compared to any strain on an unvaccinated person). Everyone should get the jab, and once you have it then your risk drops substantially

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Give me a break the people who dont get vaccinated could create a variant. Yea wear masks again even if vaccinated.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Are we gonna continue fucking this shit up or what

Yep

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