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Heliogabalus
08/02/21 2:16:05 AM
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Its been interesting to see so many people go full mask off with the transphobia in any discussion about the situation.

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catboy
08/02/21 2:17:12 AM
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Heliogabalus posted...
Its been interesting to see so many people go full mask off with the transphobia in any discussion about the situation.
he has given no reason to believe he's genuinely trans

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Guide
08/02/21 2:17:44 AM
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In a weird way, it feels like the last chapter in a book. This is the last bit of /b/'s relevance to pop culture.

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Teh_Dr_Phil
08/02/21 2:19:29 AM
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who?

and im being serious here. v_v

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Philoktetes
08/02/21 2:21:43 AM
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catboy posted...

he has given no reason to believe he's genuinely trans


you don't get to gatekeep who is "genuinely" trans
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AgentCoulson
08/02/21 2:21:58 AM
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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...
who?

and im being serious here. v_v

You're better off remaining ignorant. This is one rabbit hole you just don't come back the same from.

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Bad_Mojo
08/02/21 2:24:20 AM
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Are there anyone that stands with her? Like, I saw that it might become a legal loophole thing because a daughter cant assault their mother or something.

its the Internet, so there must be people that are defending her. So what is their side?

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MabusIncarnate
08/02/21 2:24:35 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
youve been on the internet since at least 2005

i refuse to believe youve never heard of CWC

/b/ did not discover Chris, /b/ wasnt even the main antagonizing force against Chris
Just gonna be honest to give Dr Phil a hand here, i've been online since the late 90s on AOL, and today was the first day I heard of this person also. Granted i've never been to 4chan, I don't watch youtubers, streamers, and i'm barely on any other social media besides here and hockey fan forums.

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Bad_Mojo
08/02/21 2:27:44 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
youve been on the internet since at least 2005

i refuse to believe youve never heard of CWC

/b/ did not discover Chris, /b/ wasnt even the main antagonizing force against Chris

ive been online longer than a bunch of people have been alive and i didnt know about her until last year when I just happened upon this huge playlist and binge watched it

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TeaMilk
08/02/21 2:27:55 AM
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catboy posted...
he has given no reason to believe he's genuinely trans
i feel like its a slippery slope to start saying people are lying about being trans >_> she's done horrible irredeemable shit but that doesn't have anything to do with her being trans. so i dont think its fair to claim shes making trans people look bad or whatever

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jpenny2
08/02/21 2:50:47 AM
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I dont know if it's accurate to say she's lying about being trans. It's more a case of her being completely out of touch with reality, and I honestly don't think she even understands what being trans means. Still, if she claims to identify as female, I guess it doesn't hurt to refer to her as such.

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Bloodmoon77
08/02/21 3:03:24 AM
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Hes a piece of shit that's all that matters

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 6:24:07 AM
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Been on the internet since 1998 last week was the first time ive heard of her. Granted 99% of my time on the internet is mostly here and Facebook some.

As for the argument as to her being trans ive seen people claiming she was only wanting to be female cause the delusion it would help her score with a girl. If this claim was true id think the trans community wouldnt want to associate with them but I don't speak for the trans community and its also just a case of "I heard it on the internet!"

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jpenny2
08/02/21 6:28:09 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Been on the internet since 1998 last week was the first time ive heard of her. Granted 99% of my time on the internet is mostly here and Facebook some.

As for the argument as to her being trans ive seen people claiming she was only wanting to be female cause the delusion it would help her score with a girl. If this claim was true id think the trans community wouldnt want to associate with them but I don't speak for the trans community and its also just a case of "I heard it on the internet!"
Realistically, I don't think anyone wants to be associated with her. She is a genuinely gross human being who is long past the point where she can be helped.

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 6:36:22 AM
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jpenny2 posted...
Realistically, I don't think anyone wants to be associated with her. She is a genuinely gross human being who is long past the point where she can be helped.

My point was if true shes misusing the label of trans just cause she thinks it will be a benefit. As a bi guy I would be a tad upset if someone claimed to be gay or bi cause they thought it was the only way they could get a piece of ass. Gay sex doesn't necessarily make one gay. Where as with trans I assume it's about a legitimate feeling like you are supposed to be the opposite sex.

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Middle hope
08/02/21 6:53:34 AM
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Crono99 posted...
Isn't that basically what the courts are gonna be asked to do with that incest law?
I wonder if the TDF are going to be out there protesting to let Chris chan go?

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catboy
08/02/21 6:55:31 AM
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if there isn't any gatekeeping anyone can just be a creep and claim trans to lurk in female bathrooms

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unnamedsoldier
08/02/21 6:59:26 AM
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Why are people more concerned about this than the fact that he raped his mother?
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catboy
08/02/21 6:59:54 AM
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also Chris Chan has done no process of trans. no HRT, no sexual reassignment nothing

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catboy
08/02/21 7:01:06 AM
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it's not like I didn't even think they couldn't be trans. someone told me there's no way they are

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Turbam
08/02/21 7:03:21 AM
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To those that know absolutely nothing about CWC:
Claiming that she's trans, without actually being trans at all in order to get laid is 100% something that she would do.

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 7:03:37 AM
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catboy posted...
if there isn't any gatekeeping anyone can just be a creep and claim trans to lurk in female bathrooms

I dont see that as being as common as someone using it to go to a womens prison if they ever start allowing that.

Though that could prove funny as to my understanding women inmates are far more brutal

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catboy
08/02/21 7:04:39 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
I dont see that as being as common as someone using it to go to a womens prison if they ever start allowing that.

Though that could prove funny as to my understanding women inmates are far more brutal
the thing is chris chan has done nothing towards making him transgender. I was just as you are, but was informed

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jpenny2
08/02/21 7:06:49 AM
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unnamedsoldier posted...
Why are people more concerned about this than the fact that he raped his mother?
I don't think people (or at least not most people) are more concerned about it. It's a minor topic of interest in the case, and one that is less nauseating to discuss than the incest itself.

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 7:09:05 AM
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catboy posted...
the thing is chris chan has done nothing towards making him transgender. I was just as you are, but was informed

That particular post had nothing to do with Chris-chan. Just speculation on the possible reality of fake trans people in general

So far ive tried to make it a point to mention im not super informed on Chris-chan

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catboy
08/02/21 7:09:46 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
That particular post had nothing to do with Chris-chan. Just speculation on the possible reality of fake trans people in general
he's as fake as it gets

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 7:12:46 AM
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catboy posted...
he's as fake as it gets

I editer my post.

I don't disbelieve that but ive only seen people here make those claims. Im trying to avoid being one of those. "I heard it on the internet so it must be true" people

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catboy
08/02/21 7:13:39 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
I editer my post.

I don't disbelieve that but ive only seen people here make those claims. Im trying to avoid being one of those. "I heard it on the internet so it must be true" people
I didn't think so either until people explained to me what chris is lol

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 7:16:48 AM
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catboy posted...
I didn't think so either until people explained to me what chris is lol

I've heard of these so called red pill trans people that subscribe to the idea theyd have better luck scoring if they where trans. Wonder if the fact Chris Chan here raped their own mother will be any proof to them that's false.

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MrMallard
08/02/21 7:28:04 AM
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I've heard at least one take about how Chris-Chan adopted the trans label to prey on cis lesbians.

That rhetoric skirts close to the TERF logic of "trans women are just predatory men", but the take I saw was specifically from a femme-presenting AMAB nonbinary person, arguing that Chris-Chan wasn't transgender - more of a No True Scotsman sort of deal.

I don't want to lean in one direction or the other, as I don't feel qualified to do so as someone who doesn't ID as being in the trans community. All I know is that if this person is correct and Chris-Chan has stated that a reason for her transition was to expand her dating pool to cisgender lesbians - which isn't that out of character for Chris-Chan to do - then perhaps there is an argument to be made for Chris-Chan's transition being illegitimate.

With that being said - there are issues with this rhetoric. It skirts close to TERF rhetoric, in that it argues that a trans woman was just a predatory man the whole time. It skirts close to transmedicalist rhetoric, to the degree that if we open up the floodgates with Chris-Chan not being a "true" trans woman, it invites people within and outside of the trans community to legitimise the argument of someone "not being a real trans person", which is already done to exclude trans and nonbinary people within the queer community for not hitting a checklist of medical diagnoses.

This is a sketchy area, and as someone who doesn't identify as trans, I don't think I can speak to the legitimacy of any position on this matter. But I will state my opinion as such - no community is wholly free of assholes and monsters. People like J.K. Rowling are said to have been radicalised by a transgender criminal in the UK, for example, and Chris-Chan could easily be identified as a criminal and monster without her gender identity coming into it. Rather than defining the trans community by these people, we should take their behavior and crimes into account as a whole person and not as a representative of the trans community.

The discourse is there among some as to whether Chris-Chan is legitimately a transgender woman, or if her transition was to expand her dating pool to cis lesbians. If there is proof of the latter, that's worth taking into account. But as it stands, Chris-Chan calls herself a woman, and that's all we have to go on.

Pre- and post-transition, Chris-Chan has been misogynistic, sexually abusive and incredibly maladjusted due in part to the way she's been egged on and treated during her time on the internet, as well as to her severe autism. And regardless of her gender identity, that reflects on her as a person across her entire life, not just on her gender identity. The conversation around Chris-Chan is a lot more complicated than any one aspect of her identity that's being debated among both cis and trans people.

Basically, this entire thing is a clusterfuck and I can't make heads nor tails of it.

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CyricZ
08/02/21 7:29:50 AM
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unnamedsoldier posted...
Why are people more concerned about this than the fact that he raped his mother?
Because she's in the process of being punished for that.

You, for example, are right in front of us, thinking you have carte blanche. We can address you.

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catboy
08/02/21 7:34:12 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Because she's in the process of being punished for that.

You, for example, are right in front of us, thinking you have carte blanche. We can address you.
are you calling ME out?

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Funcoland
08/02/21 7:39:06 AM
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Being a piece of shit rapist, who abuses their own mother, doesn't men they can't be "actually trans", since women (trans or otherwise) are capable of sexual assult. And if the local laws don't account for that, the local laws are fucked up.


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MrMallard
08/02/21 7:51:27 AM
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Funcoland posted...
Being a piece of shit rapist, who abuses their own mother, doesn't men they can't be "actually trans", since women (trans or otherwise) are capable of sexual assult. And if the local laws don't account for that, the local laws are fucked up.
The way I've been approaching this is that this line of questioning that TC has brought up is more of a cultural argument, which is happening alongside discussion of the events themselves. There's no question as to the crimes Chris-Chan has committed, and they should get hit with the full force of the law.

Incestual rape of one's dementia-ridden mother is genuinely one of the most revolting crimes you can commit, there are like three wholesale violations of consent in that description alone.

The discussion about Chris-Chan's gender identity isn't intended to play into the legality of the situation. I think it's easy pickings for transphobes to make inappropriate comments at CWC's expense, and I think there are trans people who are in shock and who have a lot to say because CWC's wrongdoing opens up the door to transphobia.

The shockwaves of this vile crime resonate on a variety of levels. There have been a variety of reactions, both physically and culturally, and different circles are going to focus on different aspects of these crimes. One thing that no-one denies, however, is the truly sick nature of this occurrence, Chris-Chan's culpability for the incestual rape of her own dementia-ridden mother, and the desire for her to pay for such a heinous act.

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RedJackson
08/02/21 8:08:41 AM
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Get up, come on and get down with the Chris-Cha-

oh, it doesnt quite work for this >_>

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CyricZ
08/02/21 8:15:16 AM
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catboy posted...
are you calling ME out?
I didn't quote you, but are you feeling called out?

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catboy
08/02/21 8:17:24 AM
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CyricZ posted...
I didn't quote you, but are you feeling called out?
not really

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WeeWeiWiiWie
08/02/21 8:19:37 AM
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I feel like this is the same thing as people throwing "believe women" in people's face during the Tara Reade accusations.

I don't think people are obligated to believe Chris-chan after they have been given good reason to doubt that Chris-chan's lived experience resembles that of an average transperson's.

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CyricZ
08/02/21 8:25:41 AM
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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...
I don't think people are obligated to believe Chris-chan after they have been given good reason to doubt that Chris-chan's lived experience resembles that of an average transperson's.
Well see that's the thing.

It's not about her.

It's about you.

And what you feel is "the boundary" for you being "allowed" to judge someone as "lying about their gender".

It's such an easy thing not to do. It's literally a single extra letter to type.

And yet.

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WeeWeiWiiWie
08/02/21 8:38:33 AM
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It's offensive to transpeople to pretend they are the same as a mentally ill grifter.

There's more validity to trans people than simply their personal identification.

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Collat
08/02/21 8:43:37 AM
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jpenny2 posted...
I dont know if it's accurate to say she's lying about being trans.
I think more people believe she was tricked into believing she is trans rather than consciously lying about it.

Either way, it's a weird situation. Someone like that can only be harmful to the LGBT community. They are enforcing a lot of negative stereotypes.

I'm not going to correct anyone if they are misgendering her just to disassociate her from the trans community. It's not why a lot of people do it though, but I'm not sticking my neck out for that.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
08/02/21 8:51:16 AM
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I really don't know why people are arguing over Chris Chan like it's the dawn of the internet days or something.

KingCobraJFS is out there and much more of a lulzy person. He even had his own "liquid Chris" incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHPqReqboo

Edit: Umm.... nevermind. I just saw why ChrisChan is in the news.

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SadHumanBeing
08/02/21 2:09:26 PM
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All courtesies and privliges of preferred pronouns are thrown in the bin when a cock-carrier rapes a biological woman.

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ZevLoveDOOM
08/02/21 2:12:14 PM
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for years i've heard about Chris Chan and after looking up for more context, i immediately regret it. i refuse to believe this is an actual person that exists. seriously, wtf...
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Prismsblade
08/02/21 2:20:23 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
youve been on the internet since at least 2005

i refuse to believe youve never heard of CWC
Who do you think this person is? Micheal Jackson famous or some shit?

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