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AngelsNAirwav3s
08/01/21 10:11:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQj-wVRVLo

Basically he says:
-288 ng/deciliter of testosterone is a ridiculous limit that athletes have to be under, when the high end of testosterone in women is 70 ng/dL (average is 40). Basically 4x of the top end amount of testosterone a woman would naturally produce.
-Ignores all the facts of going through puberty as a man: Bigger hands, growth plates close later, taller, denser bones, etc.
-Testosterone by itself isn't a good measurement in itself: Men naturally produce more "free testosterone", which is way better in muscle building than females; men are also more efficient in taking advantage of testosterone in the body, as they have less binding proteins that females produce since males produce less estrogen.


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AngelsNAirwav3s
08/01/21 10:35:13 PM
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Bump for science

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mooreandrew58
08/01/21 10:37:53 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Bump for science

Im thinking most people are afraid to touch this topic with a 10 foot pole. Its too good of bait for a heated argument.

I only tagged it to watch said argument.

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Doom_Art
08/01/21 10:38:05 PM
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I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue

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TheGoldenEel
08/01/21 10:39:09 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue
They need to direct their hate somewhere and they lost the culture war on gays

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limp-bizkit-89
08/01/21 10:40:29 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue

they need to rally the unwashed masses over something else since abortion is losing novelty

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AngelsNAirwav3s
08/01/21 10:51:34 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue

It shouldnt be a political argument

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mooreandrew58
08/01/21 10:54:58 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
It shouldnt be a political argument

Yeah it imo should be handled in house by each individual sports league

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Smackems
08/01/21 10:56:25 PM
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To 500?

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Shadowplay
08/01/21 10:57:56 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue
Why? Attacking traditionally disadvantaged groups is their modus operandi and they can't get away with doing it gays or minorities.

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Ratchetrockon
08/01/21 11:02:01 PM
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Kinda excited for aug 3rd.

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mooreandrew58
08/01/21 11:26:00 PM
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I am kinda shockes nobody is debating the video. Or agreeing with it.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
08/02/21 12:46:44 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
I am kinda shockes nobody is debating the video. Or agreeing with it.

It is over 10 minutes, not many people can watch that long

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mooreandrew58
08/02/21 12:48:40 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
It is over 10 minutes, not many people can watch that long

People are very prone to arguing over news articles without reading them. Hell ive been guilty of that.

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dj1200
08/02/21 12:50:07 AM
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Hmmm. Im too lazy to watch the video but my general feeling is that its not fair.

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dj1200
08/02/21 12:51:29 AM
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Interesting. This person competed as a man before transitioning.

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hockeybub89
08/02/21 12:52:42 AM
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More proof we need to embrace and support trans people so they can get on puberty blockers before they go through the wrong one.

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Shadow Don
08/02/21 9:44:46 AM
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She didn't even medal.

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gunplagirl
08/02/21 10:13:23 AM
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Shadow Don posted...
She didn't even medal.
She didn't even perform a successful lift in the opening round.

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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 10:14:44 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue

And it's surprising to me how so many on the left think its okay for cis women to be steamrolled over in athletic competition.
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gunplagirl
08/02/21 10:18:18 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
And it's surprising to me how so many on the left think its okay for cis women to be steamrolled over in athletic competition.
She would have been in last place. I for one am concerned because every single cis woman steamrolled over the lone trans woman competing. Maybe we should review the rules, and look into banning them if they're dominating by this much.

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Shadow Don
08/02/21 10:30:44 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
And it's surprising to me how so many on the left think its okay for cis women to be steamrolled over in athletic competition.

But thats not happening. Thats the point lmfao.

Show me where trans women are dominating in ANY sport.

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newhorrorguy
08/02/21 10:36:01 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
288 ng/deciliter of testosterone is a ridiculous limit that athletes have to be under, when the high end of testosterone in women is 70 ng/dL (average is 40). Basically 4x of the top end amount of testosterone a woman would naturally produce.
Funny how they disqualified actual women because their natural testosterone was higher than allowed.

Makes it easy to know your argument is bullshit though, more uneducated transphobia.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
08/02/21 12:13:54 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
Funny how they disqualified actual women because their natural testosterone was higher than allowed.

Makes it easy to know your argument is bullshit though, more uneducated transphobia.

Track and field has a lot stricter rules on testosterone than weight lifting, 144 ng/deciliter, half of what weightlifting allows. Maybe you should educate yourself a bit more.

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trappedunderice
08/02/21 12:17:49 PM
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Who cares

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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 12:24:19 PM
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Shadow Don posted...
But thats not happening. Thats the point lmfao.

Show me where trans women are dominating in ANY sport.

There have been headlines about weightlifting competitions. If an individual undergoes gender reassignment treatment before they hit puberty, it's fair. If you have testosterone muscle, adding a little estrogen isn't going to change that.

gunplagirl posted...
She would have been in last place. I for one am concerned because every single cis woman steamrolled over the lone trans woman competing. Maybe we should review the rules, and look into banning them if they're dominating by this much.

The best cis female athletes are going eclipse the worst cis male athletes and trans female athletes.
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brotrrwinner
08/02/21 12:28:22 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
Bump for science
Don't you dare bring science into an ideology issue!

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the0rebirth
08/02/21 12:30:26 PM
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I never understood why this is even controversial. I am a 250-pound, 6'2" guy. If I transition into a woman over the next few years, I'm still gong to have most of the benefits that came with being male for several decades. It wouldn't be fair for me to enter women's boxing and just start pounding ladies who are going to be 5'4"/160 lbs. on average. This isn't "transphobic"; it's reality. People are concerned to a fault with being politically correct.

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whitelytning
08/02/21 12:32:38 PM
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the0rebirth posted...
I never understood why this is even controversial. I am a 250-pound, 6'2" guy. If I transition into a woman over the next few years, I'm still gong to have most of the benefits that came with being male for several decades. It wouldn't be fair for me to enter women's boxing and just start pounding ladies who are going to be 5'4"/160 lbs. on average. This isn't "transphobic"; it's reality. People are concerned to a fault with being politically correct.

and now to 500.

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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 12:32:45 PM
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the0rebirth posted...
I never understood why this is even controversial. I am a 250-pound, 6'2" guy. If I transition into a woman over the next few years, I'm still gong to have most of the benefits that came with being male for several decades. It wouldn't be fair for me to enter women's boxing and just start pounding ladies who are going to be 5'4"/160 lbs. on average. This isn't "transphobic"; it's reality. People are concerned to a fault with being politically correct.

If superheroes were real, people would be saying it was discriminatory not to let the woman who lifts 50,000 tons or the man who jumps over buildings compete.
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Funkydog
08/02/21 12:33:05 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I'm just so baffled as to why conservatives made this their new pet issue
Using a minority to blame everything on and distract from other issues is a tried and tested tactic.

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Gwynevere
08/02/21 12:35:58 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
More proof we need to embrace and support trans people so they can get on puberty blockers before they go through the wrong one.
Absolutely

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Lathissamus
08/02/21 12:36:10 PM
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I'm going to deny biology then call you a bigot

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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 12:39:26 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Using a minority to blame everything on and distract from other issues is a tried and tested tactic.

Speaking of other issues, how about we prioritize getting border children out of cages or stopping police brutality? Those are both immeasurably more important than determining who is allowed to run across a field, catch a ball, or fight in a ring.

We can eliminate all weight and gender restrictions in sports sports if it means freeing those children or stopping cops from murdering people and claiming self-defense.
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spikethedevil
08/02/21 12:39:44 PM
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So Laurel Hubbard didnt place btw.

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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 12:41:43 PM
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Fair competition is important. So is being your true self. It's unfortunate that some people are born in the wrong bodies. It's unfortunate that there isn't a way to level the playing field.

But, really, if we're going to talk about distractions and priorities, everyone should be harping on the plight of border children and the victims of American police until both issues are resolved.
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limp-bizkit-89
08/02/21 12:56:13 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
She would have been in last place. I for one am concerned because every single cis woman steamrolled over the lone trans woman competing. Maybe we should review the rules, and look into banning them if they're dominating by this much.

wow.
smh


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FortuneCookie
08/02/21 12:57:21 PM
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gunplagirl has a talent for posts like those.
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limp-bizkit-89
08/02/21 12:58:42 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
gunplagirl has a talent for posts like those.

gunpla will probably comb now through every single post I have ever made trying to find a tiny smidget of anti-lgbtq in order to say I am evil.
good thing I am very, very pro-lgbtq.

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FarFromFields
08/02/21 1:00:16 PM
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the0rebirth posted...
I never understood why this is even controversial. I am a 250-pound, 6'2" guy. If I transition into a woman over the next few years, I'm still gong to have most of the benefits that came with being male for several decades. It wouldn't be fair for me to enter women's boxing and just start pounding ladies who are going to be 5'4"/160 lbs. on average. This isn't "transphobic"; it's reality. People are concerned to a fault with being politically correct.
Boxing has weight classes so that's a terrible analogy.

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UnfairRepresent
08/02/21 1:04:07 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
It shouldnt be a political argument
This!

I'm so tired of it being considered a partisan issue

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the0rebirth
08/02/21 1:07:58 PM
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FarFromFields posted...
Boxing has weight classes so that's a terrible analogy.

A 5'4" male on average is still stronger and weighs more than a 5'7" female. Don't let the overarching point get lost on you.

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FarFromFields
08/02/21 1:10:06 PM
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the0rebirth posted...
A 5'4" male on average is still stronger and weighs more than a 5'7" female. Don't let the overarching point get lost on you.
Well if he weighs more, he'd be boxing women taller than 5'7". Who would likely be closer in strength.

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the0rebirth
08/02/21 1:13:50 PM
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FarFromFields posted...
Well if he weighs more, he'd be boxing women taller than 5'7". Who would likely be closer in strength.

Let me make the point clearer: By & large, men are considerably more capable than women in terms of physicality.

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spikethedevil
08/02/21 1:16:25 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
So Laurel Hubbard didnt place btw.


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newhorrorguy
08/02/21 1:36:27 PM
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limp-bizkit-89 posted...
gunpla will probably comb now through every single post I have ever made trying to find a tiny smidget of anti-lgbtq in order to say I am evil.
good thing I am very, very pro-lgbtq.
If you're for regulating trans people in sports, 8 have some news for you

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limp-bizkit-89
08/02/21 1:37:20 PM
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newhorrorguy posted...
If you're for regulating trans people in sports, 8 have some news for you

did I comment on anything about that? No?

then stop assuming stuff. The sole reason for my post was to wtf at gunpla

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UnfairRepresent
08/03/21 5:45:26 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
So Laurel Hubbard didnt place btw.
I'm not sure what your point is.

If its "unless a transgender athlete wins everything all the time then there is no advantage " than that's bollocks

No one on CE would win a womens tennis tournament. That doesn't mean its time to merge the divisions.

There's nuance.

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