Poll of the Day > Imagine avoiding a vaccine because you're scared of your arm being sore

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's like one of those TikTok trends:

"tell me you don't even lift, without telling me you don't even lift"

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That would be an incredibly lame reason, almost as bad as the conspiracy nuts in a way.

Personally I'm not getting it because I've been programmed with God's failsafe so I'll accept whatever comes of not getting it.

To be fair, the sore arm is pretty secondary to the general malaise that comes with it. The first shot was fine (my arm was much sorer than it has been for pretty much any other vaccine, but that was nothing), but the second pretty much incapacitated me for a day, and my girlfriend was out of commission for 4-5.

Of course, that's still a trivial price to pay for all the benefits that immunity offers, so that's a pretty moot point.

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Side note: ever since I got the second shot on my left shoulder, it's gotten rashy every now and then

It hasn't happened recently though


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Imagine trolling with this nonsense to strawman peoples' concerns to de-legitimize them.

Although, to be fair, my arm is *still* sore at the injection site months later, so even the actual trivial reason I wouldn't entirely dismiss (I had serious doubts when it came to the guy administering it; I should have just gone somewhere else, but it was a pain to find any place with the Janssen). If I didn't have a physical coming up in about another month, I'd probably have scheduled a doctor's appointment about this. The metallic taste in my mouth went away about after a week, although food still doesn't taste quite right. Honestly, though, my reaction seems mild compared to some of my relatives who got the Pfizer, since theirs were just really fucking bad. I had a headache, but I don't think I even felt any fatigue.

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The pneumonia vaccine was worse by far.

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What I do imagine is someone trying to avoid a sore arm only to end up with a sore everything, or worse - that and the inability to pay for much-needed respiration.

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Entity13 posted...

What I do imagine is someone trying to avoid a sore arm only to end up with a sore everything, or worse - that and the inability to pay for much-needed respiration.

Good thing not everyone has to suffer that fate though, right? My room mate caught it back when things were really bad and thankfully he just lost his sense of taste for about a week. We laughed about how him getting to stay home from work for two weeks catch up on his video game backlog was more than worth that minor drawback.

If anyone is actually worried, in my experience it was basically a 0 on a 1-10 pain scale when I got the vaccine

basically felt like being poked lightly by a paperclip but didnt feel like it broke skin at all

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Zeus posted...

Although, to be fair, my arm is *still* sore at the injection site months later, so even the actual trivial reason I wouldn't entirely dismiss

My arm was sore for more than usual with vaccines but it left a pretty weird bruise on my arm that didn't go away for at least a week

I had zero symptoms other than a sore arm though. My immune system kicks ass

Zeus posted...

Imagine trolling with this nonsense to strawman peoples' concerns to de-legitimize them

it helps that their concerns are illegitimate to begin with

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OhhhJa posted...

My arm was sore for more than usual with vaccines but it left a pretty weird bruise on my arm that didn't go away for at least a week

That probably means whoever gave you the shot poinked a blood vessel that they shouldn't have. Nothing catastrophic, just bad poinking technique.

OhhhJa posted...

I had zero symptoms other than a sore arm though. My immune system kicks ass

Actually, that kind of suggests that your immune system was too weak to respond to the second shot, even after the first dose.

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makes me think he never even got one lmao

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adjl posted...

That probably means whoever gave you the shot poinked a blood vessel that they shouldn't have. Nothing catastrophic, just bad poinking technique.

Actually, that kind of suggests that your immune system was too weak to respond to the second shot, even after the first dose.

I've only had the first dose. But it also sounds like you don't really understand the immune system. People with really strong immune systems can often be infected with something and not even realize it because the front line of their immune system is taking care of business. I almost never get sick and am a very public, out and about person

Getting my 2nd dose tomorrow actually

Reigning_King posted...

Good thing not everyone has to suffer that fate though, right? My room mate caught it back when things were really bad and thankfully he just lost his sense of taste for about a week. We laughed about how him getting to stay home from work for two weeks catch up on his video game backlog was more than worth that minor drawback.

"Good" might be overstating the level of positivity here. It's definitely a notch above neutral, but it could have been better. That said, it's good that you and your roomie were able to have a sense of humor about their situation.

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You can still get sick off the virus and spread it around

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ArvTheGreat posted...

You can still get sick off the virus and spread it around

Or even carry it without getting "sick."

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What about someone who had already gotten covid and reacted semi bad to it and doesn't want to get the vaccine because they feel they're already immune and don't want to go through the effects again (supposedly you react worse if you've already had covid)?


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DrPrimemaster posted...

What about someone who had already gotten covid and reacted semi bad to it and doesn't want to get the vaccine because they feel they're already immune and don't want to go through the effects again (supposedly you react worse if you've already had covid)?

they should talk to their doctor about it if they can, thats a unique situation

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DrPrimemaster posted...

What about someone who had already gotten covid and reacted semi bad to it and doesn't want to get the vaccine because they feel they're already immune and don't want to go through the effects again (supposedly you react worse if you've already had covid)?

You would think someone who had a severe covid case would want to prevent it from happening again. And the best way to do so is with the mRNA vaccine.

Natural immunity to covid will consist of antibodies to all random surface proteins of the virus. Many of which are perfectly free to evolve without any detrimental fitness effects, allowing it to potentially evade the immune system.

The vaccine specifically causes antibody production targeting spike protein, most importantly to the receptor binding domain, which is under extremely strong selection. This region cannot mutate much, because its shape confers its ability to bind and enter human cells. Thus, immunity from the vaccine is expected to be more robust in the face of evolving strains.

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OhhhJa posted...

Getting my 2nd dose tomorrow actually

Fucking spent most of your days advocating against the vaccine and COVID and you got it?

Either you're a liar or... no just a liar.

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OhhhJa posted...

I've only had the first dose.

Ah. Well then the next couple days may be a little rough for you. Personally, I was fine the day of (got my shot at ~2:30 pm), woke up the next day feeling low-energy and kind of achey all over, but otherwise alright, and then around the 22-hour mark I was shivering violently as I sat in front of the toilet contemplating whether or not I was actually going to puke. I spent the rest of that afternoon huddled under a blanket, napped a bit until I woke up because the fever switched to the uncomfortably sweaty phase, and then was really low-energy and occasionally feverish for the rest of the day. The day after that was comparable to how I woke up (tired, achey), but I improved from there.

YMMV, but I'd suggest planning to be out of commission this weekend.

OhhhJa posted...

But it also sounds like you don't really understand the immune system. People with really strong immune systems can often be infected with something and not even realize it because the front line of their immune system is taking care of business.

The side effects to these vaccines are caused by the immune system, though. The fever, aches, fatigue, and whatever else hits you are entirely a product of your immune system reacting to the vaccine. If you don't have side effects, it's not because you knocked out the "infection" before it could do anything, it's because your immune system didn't respond very strongly.

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helIy posted...

it helps that their concerns are illegitimate to begin with

Because death is illegitimate? Keep in mind that most of the people who have had fatal side-effects have been in the lowest risk brackets. And death is just the most severe concern. There are lots of other other legitimate concerns.

Entity13 posted...

What I do imagine is someone trying to avoid a sore arm only to end up with a sore everything, or worse - that and the inability to pay for much-needed respiration.

When they did a spot test at grocery store in NY in 2020, they found that a large number of people showed signs of having recovered from COVID despite the fact they never even realized they had it. In general, the vaccine less about protecting you -- unless you're elderly or have a compromised immune system -- than it is about protecting others by trying to control the spread. And the theory is that even though the vaccine will kill a certain number of people (and that number will be relatively low), those sacrifices will ensure the safety of everybody else. Which is a logical utilitarian argument, but it's not so great for those who die from the vaccine.

Incidentally, that's why we're having that huge push for teens right now. Very few teens have died from COVID (and iirc almost all of them had underlying conditions), but they're potential carriers. I mean, look at the PSAs -- they're very explicitly encouraging kids taking the vaccine to protect others.

And in general, you can probably expect several rounds of vaccines because the WHO completely mishandled the early infection -- effectively repeating CCP propaganda even while the CCP was locking up whistleblowing doctors (many of whom died from COVID in prison) -- and the international response has been the shits, and thus the virus has been able to mutate as it spread.


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Zeus posted...

Because death is illegitimate? Keep in mind that most of the people who have had fatal side-effects have been in the lowest risk brackets. And death is just the most severe concern. There are lots of other other legitimate concerns.

yup. the vaccine is killing people in droves.

without mentioning that literally nothing bad has happened since the, what, 6 people got blood clots from one specific vaccine, that may or may not have even been related to the vaccine, it's a strawman argument considering that they are choosing to put themselves at risk and everyone they know with something far worse than a vaccine that is safer than the yearly flu vaccine, when really they were told that it's a valid argument by the same people that tried selling fake vaccine cards/fake government mask exempt cards/ect because they are brainwashed and delusional morons who believe everything they fucking read on the internet, that isn't actual verified facts and science, from "ufolizardpeople.geocities.ru/trumpnumberone.htm?"

"YEAH BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MIGHT DO YEARS DOWN THE LINE!!!@!" so fuckin what bitch, if anything happens you can get social security disability payments and sit on your fat ass and spread fake news on facebook because you might have gotten asthma.

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adjl posted...

The side effects to these vaccines are caused by the immune system, though. The fever, aches, fatigue, and whatever else hits you are entirely a product of your immune system reacting to the vaccine. If you don't have side effects, it's not because you knocked out the "infection" before it could do anything, it's because your immune system didn't respond very strongly.

This doesn't really make sense. If I'm being injected with the same thing as you, and it makes you ill, but I feel nothing, it suggests that my immune system was so effective against it that my body didn't have to resort to fever and the like to combat it

a lot of butthurt people afraid of arm booboos

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Ok I've imagined it. Now what? Why am I doing this? Is this the beginning of a bizarre, uncomfortable thought experiment?

OhhhJa posted...

This doesn't really make sense. If I'm being injected with the same thing as you, and it makes you ill, but I feel nothing, it suggests that my immune system was so effective against it that my body didn't have to resort to fever and the like to combat it

You never cease to surprise me with how wrong you can be.

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I know you guys wish I had a bad immune system because people who disagree with you should die but that's just not the case. Sorry little guy

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OhhhJa posted...

I know you guys wish I had a bad immune system because people who disagree with you should die but that's just not the case. Sorry little guy

Maybe you do have covid, because your posts read like a blood clot traveled to your brain and caused a stroke.

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"everyone should get the vaccine, which not only reduces odds of death by 100-1000 fold on an individual level, but will have a synergistic effect of reducing transmission rate when enough people are vaccinated"

You're right that one side of the debate is allied with the grim reaper, but it ain't the pro vaccine crowd, buddy


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My arm was sore after both shots but it's not a problem.

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OhhhJa posted...

This doesn't really make sense. If I'm being injected with the same thing as you, and it makes you ill, but I feel nothing, it suggests that my immune system was so effective against it that my body didn't have to resort to fever and the like to combat it

That's exactly wrong lol

Feeling ill is the result of your immune system doing it's job

You absolutely do not know what you're talking about and should refrain from embarrassing yourself further

Ya know... funny info for the know it alls. I looked up what vaccine side effects mean for your immunity, and what I'm finding is a bunch of information saying you can't determine strength of your immune system by the reaction you have. Whether you have a fever and headache or no symptoms at all, you still can't determine that

So for the people saying my immune system is weak.... go fuck yo selves

It isn't confirmatory, but it doesn't rule out the possibility. Essentially you have demonstrated absence of a positive signal of immunity, but this isn't necessarily evidence of a lack of immune response

(Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but it's at least compatible with the same conclusion)

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OhhhJa posted...

So for the people saying my immune system is weak.... go fuck yo selves

why are you taking this so personally lol

it's not like a good immune system is a demonstration of skill

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OhhhJa posted...

So for the people saying my immune system is weak.... go fuck yo selves

But...it doesn't mean you have a strong immune system.

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OhhhJa posted...

Ya know... funny info for the know it alls. I looked up what vaccine side effects mean for your immunity, and what I'm finding is a bunch of information saying you can't determine strength of your immune system by the reaction you have. Whether you have a fever and headache or no symptoms at all, you still can't determine that

Which means you've now done research that proves your "I didn't have a reaction because my immune system is awesome" point wrong, all on your own (we'll ignore that most people have little to no reaction to the first shot, so the premise was flawed from the outset). I'm so proud.

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Getting a fever is not good no matter what you are told. It usually the last ditch effort to fight a virus and is potentially leading to death as the actual fever can kill you itself. An immune system does not need to resort to fever to get rid of an ailment if it is strong against it.

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Olld-Onne posted...

Getting a fever is not good no matter what you are told.

are you just ignoring what medical professionals say about fevers because your worldly personal wisdom outweighs their professional expertise

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agesboy posted...

are you just ignoring what medical professionals say about fevers because your worldly personal wisdom outweighs their professional expertise

If you think having a fever is perfectly fine then you are wrong. Understand that professionals will say things so as to not incite alarm in patients at times. If your body is raising the temperature of itself to combat an illness it means it regular defences ( white blood cells) are not enough on their own to combat it.

The slightest raise in temperature from 37 degrees can easily start to destroy your own cells in the process. It basically a race to kill the simple organisms that tend not to fare well at high temperatures before your own body starts to destroy itself from the extra heat it is generating. A fever is never a good sign period as it can and will lead to death if it lasts too long.

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Olld-Onne posted...

An immune system does not need to resort to fever to get rid of an ailment if it is strong against it.

you have no clue what you are talking about

if your immune system is encounters a virus it has never encountered before, there is going to be a delay between initial infection and your body beginning to recognize it as a threat and then create antibodies. That has nothing to do with having a strong or weak immune system, that is just the way it works.

So if you contract covid and havent received the vaccine youre basically giving it a head start to infect your lung tissue and fuck up your brain and your heart before your body even starts fighting it.

If youre vaccinated and you get infected your body is gonna recognize and work on eliminating the virus in your system immediately

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Olld-Onne posted...

. If your body is raising the temperature of itself to combat an illness it means it regular defences ( white blood cells) are not enough on their own to combat it.

Sorry man, but fever is part of the innate immune response, which precedes the adaptive immune response when facing a novel antigen


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Mead posted...

you have no clue what you are talking about

if your immune system is encounters a virus it has never encountered before, there is going to be a delay between initial infection and your body beginning to recognize it as a threat and then create antibodies. That has nothing to do with having a strong or weak immune system, that is just the way it works.

So if you contract covid and havent received the vaccine youre basically giving it a head start to infect your lung tissue and fuck up your brain and your heart before your body even starts fighting it.

If youre vaccinated and you get infected your body is gonna recognize and work on eliminating the virus in your system immediately

Not everyone will react the same way to a virus. There are people in Africa who are immune to HIV. You cannot just lump everyone in the same pool and think they would have to get all the symptoms or need a fever to kill it. This is why Covid is still around. Because not everyone even reacts to it the same way and thus they think they are not spreading it.

If you caught Covid before you will already have anti bodies anyway and as not everyone shows signs that have had it it quite possible a lot of people have already been exposed to Covid without knowing it.

Clench281 posted...

Sorry man, but fever is part of the innate immune response, which precedes the adaptive immune response when facing a novel antigen

It is if you are not able to deal with the virus quickly enough. Not everyone will develop a fever is the point i am making. I have not had a fever in over 10 years. And almost certainly had Covid last year due to a family member not informing they tested positive with it and I had no fever or coughing. They also did not develop a fever. Everyone is different after all.

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Olld-Onne posted...

You cannot just lump everyone in the same pool and think they would have to get all the symptoms or need a fever to kill it.

you said fever is last ditch effort if your white blood cells fail to neutralize a novel pathogen

we get to ignore everything you say

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Olld-Onne posted...

This is why Covid is still around. Because not everyone even reacts to it the same way and thus they think they are not spreading it.

the reason covid is still around is because cities like mine have a goddamn 30% vaccination rate and noones wearing a mask

but sure, that 30% is the problem, apparently

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