Poll of the Day > The State of California is suing Activision Blizzard

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Sycophant 07/23/21 10:50:43 PM #51:	Makes me ashamed to be male <cite>Sycophant posted [p:956403760] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Makes me ashamed to be male </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/24/21 8:08:10 PM #52:	BlackScythe0 posted... Holy fucking shit dude, I just saw a video on youtube that dug a bit into it. This is so bad, like apparently people from Europe offices would go to the US get harassed and shit. Then there is this dude who always just kinda looked wimpy at Blizzcon Like holy shit there had been bad stories about the Blizzard culture for years but that... BlackScythe0 posted... Alex Afrasiabi, the former Senior Creative Director of World of Warcraft at Blizzard Entertainment, was permitted to engage in blatant sexual harassment with little to no repercussions. During a company event (an annual convention called Blizz Con) Afrasiabi would hit on female employees, telling him he wanted to marry them, attempting to kiss them, and putting, his arms around them. This was in plain view of other male employees, including supervisors, who had to intervene and pull him off female employees. Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the Crosby Suite after alleged rapist Bill Crosby. Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956428656] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>Holy fucking shit dude, I just saw a video on youtube that dug a bit into it. This is so bad, like apparently people from Europe offices would go to the US get harassed and shit. Then there is this dude who always just kinda looked wimpy at Blizzcon Like holy shit there had been bad stories about the Blizzard culture for years but that...</quote> BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>Alex Afrasiabi, the former Senior Creative Director of World of Warcraft at Blizzard Entertainment, was permitted to engage in blatant sexual harassment with little to no repercussions. During a company event (an annual convention called Blizz Con) Afrasiabi would hit on female employees, telling him he wanted to marry them, attempting to kiss them, and putting, his arms around them. This was in plain view of other male employees, including supervisors, who had to intervene and pull him off female employees. Afrasiabi was so known to engage in harassment of females that his suite was nicknamed the Crosby Suite after alleged rapist Bill Crosby.</quote> Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/24/21 8:08:45 PM #53:	Wonder if Diablo 2 is gonna be canceled lol --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956428671] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Wonder if Diablo 2 is gonna be canceled lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/24/21 8:16:28 PM #54:	Ferarri619 posted... Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault. What the literal fuck? You one of those "male rights" people? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:956428892] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault.</quote> What the literal fuck? You one of those "male rights" people? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/24/21 8:17:21 PM #55:	Ferarri619 posted... Wonder if Diablo 2 is gonna be canceled lol Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956428917] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>Wonder if Diablo 2 is gonna be canceled lol</quote> Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/24/21 8:40:16 PM #56:	BlackScythe0 posted... What the literal fuck? You one of those "male rights" people? No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956429501] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted... </cite> <quote>What the literal fuck? You one of those "male rights" people?</quote> No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 07/24/21 8:43:38 PM #57:	Mead posted... Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company The amazon and sorceress are both out due to litigation now:( The assassin is still in though, she was the one sexually harrasing the amazon and sorceress. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:956429597] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company</quote> The amazon and sorceress are both out due to litigation now:( The assassin is still in though, she was the one sexually harrasing the amazon and sorceress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/24/21 8:45:26 PM #58:	Ferarri619 posted... Context is important. dude do you think things get to the point where the entire state is taking the company to court without anyone stopping to look at the context and credibility of allegations? --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956429636] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>Context is important.</quote> dude do you think things get to the point where the entire state is taking the company to court without anyone stopping to look at the context and credibility of allegations? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/24/21 8:54:25 PM #59:	Mead posted... dude do you think things get to the point where the entire state is taking the company to court without anyone stopping to look at the context and credibility of allegations? From everything I've read, there's no doubt that Afraisibi guy is a sleazeball and a predator and also given the cube crawls, threats of violence toward women, unequal pay and treatment (referring to the fact that women had to write reports of why they had to take vacation, while men didn't, and also that men could slack off while women were always disciplined to stay "on-task" is definitely discrimination) etc. I definitely feel this is credible. I just don't get why Blackschythe is highlighting this one specific thing. I see stuff like this at bars and such all the time and it's generally accepted as long as the guy doesn't force it and stop when the girl pulls away. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956429882] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>dude do you think things get to the point where the entire state is taking the company to court without anyone stopping to look at the context and credibility of allegations?</quote> From everything I've read, there's no doubt that Afraisibi guy is a sleazeball and a predator and also given the cube crawls, threats of violence toward women, unequal pay and treatment (referring to the fact that women had to write reports of why they had to take vacation, while men didn't, and also that men could slack off while women were always disciplined to stay "on-task" is definitely discrimination) etc. I definitely feel this is credible. I just don't get why Blackschythe is highlighting this one specific thing. I see stuff like this at bars and such all the time and it's generally accepted as long as the guy doesn't force it and stop when the girl pulls away. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/24/21 8:58:41 PM #60:	Mead posted... Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company Buy it if it's something you'll enjoy. Maybe take consolidation that the money will also go to the victims too? Let the lawsuit run it's course and hope the best comes out of it, and in the meantime buy Diablo II (if it doesn't get canceled) so that the employees who were abused can continue to support themselves. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956429976] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company</quote> Buy it if it's something you'll enjoy. Maybe take consolidation that the money will also go to the victims too? Let the lawsuit run it's course and hope the best comes out of it, and in the meantime buy Diablo II (if it doesn't get canceled) so that the employees who were abused can continue to support themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/24/21 9:06:00 PM #61:	Ferarri619 posted... No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason. Dude whatever you read isn't what I quoted. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:956430135] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason.</quote> Dude whatever you read isn't what I quoted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 07/24/21 9:09:04 PM #62:	Ferarri619 posted... Buy it if it's something you'll enjoy. Maybe take consolidation that the money will also go to the victims too? Let the lawsuit run it's course and hope the best comes out of it, and in the meantime buy Diablo II (if it doesn't get canceled) so that the employees who were abused can continue to support themselves. Yeah I think a lot of the "I'm not gonna support this company that treats it's employees like shit" mindset fails to realize that if the company does poorly, its the employees who are going to suffer the losses, not the people treating them like shit. Capitalism. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:956430219] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>Buy it if it's something you'll enjoy. Maybe take consolidation that the money will also go to the victims too? Let the lawsuit run it's course and hope the best comes out of it, and in the meantime buy Diablo II (if it doesn't get canceled) so that the employees who were abused can continue to support themselves.</quote>Yeah I think a lot of the "I'm not gonna support this company that treats it's employees like shit" mindset fails to realize that if the company does poorly, its the employees who are going to suffer the losses, not the people treating them like shit. Capitalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/24/21 11:11:36 PM #63:	https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/oqsgt8/first_hand_account_of_harassment_at_blizzard/ --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:956433207] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/oqsgt8/first_hand_account_of_harassment_at_blizzard/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/25/21 4:56:16 PM #64:	https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:956453270] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/25/21 5:04:01 PM #65:	papercup posted... https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956453474] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW</quote> what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/25/21 5:06:30 PM #66:	papercup posted... Blizzard has halted development on WoW Just 15 years too late --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956453538] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>Blizzard has halted development on WoW</quote>Just 15 years too late </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/25/21 5:10:15 PM #67:	I mean, I assume it's a short term thing. I assume they will begin development on 9.2/10.0 soon. You know, if the company survives long enough for that to happen. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:956453647] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I assume it's a short term thing. I assume they will begin development on 9.2/10.0 soon. You know, if the company survives long enough for that to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/25/21 6:53:11 PM #68:	Mead posted... what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games Find ways to hide skeletons in places other than closets <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:956456418] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games</quote>Find ways to hide skeletons in places other than closets </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/25/21 7:11:54 PM #69:	papercup posted... https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/activision-blizzard-sued-by-california-over-frat-boy-culture For harassment, discrimination, retaliation. A female employee was sexually harassed so bad she committed suicide. Fuck Blizzard. Man, definitely dont look up any Japanese company, like Dentsu, or anything. I think its really bad that there isnt any recourse for people who feel this way other than bringing a gun to work, killing themselves, or both. --- If the truth is bothersome, then change what's true. <cite>zebatov posted [p:956456916] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/activision-blizzard-sued-by-california-over-frat-boy-culture For harassment, discrimination, retaliation. A female employee was sexually harassed so bad she committed suicide. Fuck Blizzard.</quote> Man, definitely dont look up any Japanese company, like Dentsu, or anything. I think its really bad that there isnt any recourse for people who feel this way other than bringing a gun to work, killing themselves, or both. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ogurisama 07/25/21 7:15:16 PM #70:	Mead posted... what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games I am sure Upper/Middle Management arent happy about them not working, from what I understand, is the employees are not working out of the news. Work has stopped for solidarity for their coworkers that have been victimized --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:956456998] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>what are they even having staff do at the moment if not work on games</quote>I am sure Upper/Middle Management arent happy about them not working, from what I understand, is the employees are not working out of the news. Work has stopped for solidarity for their coworkers that have been victimized </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/25/21 7:18:28 PM #71:	Ogurisama posted... I am sure Upper/Middle Management arent happy about them not working, from what I understand, is the employees are not working out of the news. Work has stopped for solidarity for their coworkers that have been victimized ok that makes more sense --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956457080] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ogurisama posted... </cite> <quote>I am sure Upper/Middle Management arent happy about them not working, from what I understand, is the employees are not working out of the news. Work has stopped for solidarity for their coworkers that have been victimized</quote> ok that makes more sense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/25/21 7:23:01 PM #72:	they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956457210] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/25/21 7:29:54 PM #73:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public. that is literally what they did --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956457405] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public.</quote> that is literally what they did </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/25/21 7:51:01 PM #74:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public. That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:956457921] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public.</quote> That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/25/21 7:55:39 PM #75:	And HR at pretty much any major company exists only to limit liability so they probably did their best to just try to sweep everything under the rug --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956458048] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>And HR at pretty much any major company exists only to limit liability so they probably did their best to just try to sweep everything under the rug </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/25/21 8:00:25 PM #76:	papercup posted... That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it. I assume what he meant was "Tell people OUTSIDE the company". Not that it would necessarily work any better, but it's better than going to corrupt bosses or corrupt HR and having them just cover it up. Metalsonic66 posted... Just 15 years too late Why stop riding the WoW train when people keep throwing handfuls of money at you to keep going? --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:956458162] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote><cite>papercup posted...</cite> <quote>That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it.</quote> I assume what he meant was "Tell people OUTSIDE the company". Not that it would necessarily work any better, but it's better than going to corrupt bosses or corrupt HR and having them just cover it up. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>Just 15 years too late</quote> Why stop riding the WoW train when people keep throwing handfuls of money at you to keep going?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 07/25/21 8:02:07 PM #77:	Mead posted... And HR at pretty much any major company exists only to limit liability so they probably did their best to just try to sweep everything under the rug This is the thing people always forget. The point of HR isn't to protect the employees, it's to protect the company. Usually that can mean trying to protect your employees (so they don't sue the company), but if just covering things up does the job more efficiently, they'll totally go that route. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:956458202] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>And HR at pretty much any major company exists only to limit liability so they probably did their best to just try to sweep everything under the rug</quote> This is the thing people always forget. The point of HR isn't to protect the employees, it's to protect the company. Usually that can mean trying to protect your employees (so they don't sue the company), but if just covering things up does the job more efficiently, they'll totally go that route.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kungfu Kenobi 07/25/21 8:11:09 PM #78:	Reminder: Bobby Kotick is in Jeffery Epstein's little black book. --- This album is not available to the public. Even if it were, you wouldn't wanna listen to it! <cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted [p:956458423] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Reminder: Bobby Kotick is in Jeffery Epstein's little black book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/25/21 8:20:23 PM #79:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Why stop riding the WoW train when people keep throwing handfuls of money at you to keep going? Why indeed --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956458689] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Why stop riding the WoW train when people keep throwing handfuls of money at you to keep going?</quote>Why indeed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/25/21 8:21:15 PM #80:	ParanoidObsessive posted... This is the thing people always forget. The point of HR isn't to protect the employees, it's to protect the company. Usually that can mean trying to protect your employees (so they don't sue the company), but if just covering things up does the job more efficiently, they'll totally go that route. I think HR is generally more effective at lower levels where the people involved are easily replaceable but once you reach a certain level they exist just to protect the people at the top. Edit: Also I think I saw a video saying WoW recently just saw one of (or maybe it was the) largest content gaps of early launch content. So it sounds like they weren't doing much work anyways. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:956458715] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>This is the thing people always forget. The point of HR isn't to protect the employees, it's to protect the company. Usually that can mean trying to protect your employees (so they don't sue the company), but if just covering things up does the job more efficiently, they'll totally go that route.</quote> I think HR is generally more effective at lower levels where the people involved are easily replaceable but once you reach a certain level they exist just to protect the people at the top. Edit: Also I think I saw a video saying WoW recently just saw one of (or maybe it was the) largest content gaps of early launch content. So it sounds like they weren't doing much work anyways. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/25/21 9:48:55 PM #81:	papercup posted... That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it. Krazy_Kirby posted... they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public. --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956460859] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted...</cite> <quote> That's the problem, they told people, and nothing happened, because the people that could have done something about it, were either the ones perpetrating it, or they enabled the people below them that were doing it. </quote> Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote>they didn't have to do that, they could have told people, even if it meant going public.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 07/25/21 9:49:39 PM #82:	BlackScythe0 posted... I think HR is generally more effective at lower levels where the people involved are easily replaceable but once you reach a certain level they exist just to protect the people at the top. Edit: Also I think I saw a video saying WoW recently just saw one of (or maybe it was the) largest content gaps of early launch content. So it sounds like they weren't doing much work anyways. they did classic tbc, and not much else --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:956460875] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>BlackScythe0 posted...</cite> <quote> I think HR is generally more effective at lower levels where the people involved are easily replaceable but once you reach a certain level they exist just to protect the people at the top. Edit: Also I think I saw a video saying WoW recently just saw one of (or maybe it was the) largest content gaps of early launch content. So it sounds like they weren't doing much work anyways. </quote> they did classic tbc, and not much else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/25/21 9:49:54 PM #83:	Mead posted... that is literally what they did --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956460880] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>that is literally what they did</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 07/26/21 11:22:02 AM #84:	This is the thing for people saying sexually assaulted people should be reporting it and shit. Most of the times when you report shit like that, nothing gets done, and you get ostracized at work. For example: I was sexually assaulted in Basic Training. Some fucker tried to shove a broom handle up my ass when I was sleeping. Instead of kicking that guy's ass and getting a UCMJ or maybe even getting kicked out of the Army, I did what they hounded us to do, and reported it to SHARP(Sexual Harassment and Rape Prevention). When I did that, almost everyone in my platoon pretty much shunned me and made me feel like shit for doing it. Even some Drill Sergeants were saying stupid shit like: "Some people just get too stressed in situations like Basic Training and will blow up small situations just because they can't handle it." That was almost a direct quote, and he didn't mention me by name or anything, but he was obviously talking about me. This was just Basic Training, where I would never have to see these fuckers again in a few weeks. I never got to even find out if they charged the dude with anything, all I heard before I left for AIT was that it got lowered from a sexual assault to regular plain old assault. Imagine having to go through that bullshit, but you're stuck with the people that are going to make your life miserable because you said something because that's your job. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:956474406] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>This is the thing for people saying sexually assaulted people should be reporting it and shit. Most of the times when you report shit like that, nothing gets done, and you get ostracized at work. For example: I was sexually assaulted in Basic Training. Some fucker tried to shove a broom handle up my ass when I was sleeping. Instead of kicking that guy's ass and getting a UCMJ or maybe even getting kicked out of the Army, I did what they hounded us to do, and reported it to SHARP(Sexual Harassment and Rape Prevention). When I did that, almost everyone in my platoon pretty much shunned me and made me feel like shit for doing it. Even some Drill Sergeants were saying stupid shit like: "Some people just get too stressed in situations like Basic Training and will blow up small situations just because they can't handle it." That was almost a direct quote, and he didn't mention me by name or anything, but he was obviously talking about me. This was just Basic Training, where I would never have to see these fuckers again in a few weeks. I never got to even find out if they charged the dude with anything, all I heard before I left for AIT was that it got lowered from a sexual assault to regular plain old assault. Imagine having to go through that bullshit, but you're stuck with the people that are going to make your life miserable because you said something because that's your job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/26/21 2:52:38 PM #85:	Mead posted... Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company Really, you've got three options: Just don't buy it. Accept that there are plenty of other fantastic games out there (even games in the same vein as D2), so you don't need that particular game in order to have fun. You can entertain yourself by supporting better companies instead. Buy a used copy (difficult on PC, unfortunately) or keep playing the original instead of buying the remake Dance to a catchy song like this one to help you feel better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMJpHihykI At the end of the day, there's no need to support companies you disapprove of, which in turn means there's no reason to do so. So just don't. If they want your money, they can earn it. Zareth posted... Yeah I think a lot of the "I'm not gonna support this company that treats it's employees like s*" mindset fails to realize that if the company does poorly, its the employees who are going to suffer the losses, not the people treating them like s. Capitalism. Realistically, the employees being mistreated at these companies are the ones that will be laid off en masse the next time Kotick wants to pump his numbers to show off to shareholders, regardless of how well the company is doing. They will never have any kind of job security and will never be paid a decent wage, so you're not jeopardizing that by hurting the corporation's revenue. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956480735] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Im legit conflicted I love that game so much but I dont want to support this company</quote> Really, you've got three options: Just don't buy it. Accept that there are plenty of other fantastic games out there (even games in the same vein as D2), so you don't need that particular game in order to have fun. You can entertain yourself by supporting better companies instead.Buy a used copy (difficult on PC, unfortunately) or keep playing the original instead of buying the remakeDance to a catchy song like this one to help you feel better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMJpHihykIAt the end of the day, there's no need to support companies you disapprove of, which in turn means there's no reason to do so. So just don't. If they want your money, they can earn it. Zareth posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah I think a lot of the "I'm not gonna support this company that treats it's employees like s" mindset fails to realize that if the company does poorly, its the employees who are going to suffer the losses, not the people treating them like s*. Capitalism.</quote> Realistically, the employees being mistreated at these companies are the ones that will be laid off en masse the next time Kotick wants to pump his numbers to show off to shareholders, regardless of how well the company is doing. They will never have any kind of job security and will never be paid a decent wage, so you're not jeopardizing that by hurting the corporation's revenue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/26/21 3:59:51 PM #86:	papercup posted... https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW oh no, how will I ever finish my sylvanas fanfic now --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:956482916] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>papercup posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.dexerto.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-dev-says-no-work-being-done-amid-activision-blizzard-lawsuit-1618547/ Due to the lawsuit, Blizzard has halted development on WoW</quote>oh no, how will I ever finish my sylvanas fanfic now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/26/21 4:06:58 PM #87:	Blightzkrieg posted... oh no, how will I ever finish my sylvanas fanfic now With one hand, presumably. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:956483133] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>oh no, how will I ever finish my sylvanas fanfic now</quote> With one hand, presumably. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/26/21 5:39:50 PM #88:	adjl posted... With one hand, presumably. That's the Blizzard secret --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:956485910] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>With one hand, presumably.</quote>That's the Blizzard secret </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 07/26/21 5:55:13 PM #89:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcqY40Kx2RY Can you see Sylvanas looking any other way? --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:956486310] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcqY40Kx2RY Can you see Sylvanas looking any other way? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/26/21 8:30:32 PM #90:	https://twitter.com/Treasureeeee/status/1419684879978176518 That is some sleazy shit right there --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956491029] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Treasureeeee/status/1419684879978176518 That is some sleazy shit right there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/26/21 8:44:54 PM #91:	Ferarri619 posted... https://twitter.com/Treasureeeee/status/1419684879978176518 That is some sleazy shit right there yeah if you get drunk and make an ass out of yourself you should at the very least own up to it and try to apologize once youre sobered up --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956491505] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Treasureeeee/status/1419684879978176518 That is some sleazy shit right there</quote> yeah if you get drunk and make an ass out of yourself you should at the very least own up to it and try to apologize once youre sobered up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
m0rg 07/26/21 8:46:37 PM #92:	wishing justice for everyone hurt by these scumsuckers. --- she/her/nanigans <cite>m0rg posted [p:956491560] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>wishing justice for everyone hurt by these scumsuckers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 07/26/21 8:47:31 PM #93:	I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:956491591] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 07/26/21 8:54:08 PM #94:	ReturnOfFa posted... I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time. We had identical stories coming out of Ubisoft last year. You only need to read the attitudes exhibited in "gamer" spaces online and know that many of these same types of people are video game developers. I suspect we'll see similar stories coming out of other studios in the future. I'd be curious to know if there are similar cultures in the Japanese gaming industry. The Japanese work force has a lot of known cultural issues already, but it would be a big punch in the gut to know it's the same shit in a different language. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:956491792] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time.</quote>We had identical stories coming out of Ubisoft last year. You only need to read the attitudes exhibited in "gamer" spaces online and know that many of these same types of people are video game developers. I suspect we'll see similar stories coming out of other studios in the future. I'd be curious to know if there are similar cultures in the Japanese gaming industry. The Japanese work force has a lot of known cultural issues already, but it would be a big punch in the gut to know it's the same shit in a different language. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 07/26/21 11:31:18 PM #95:	ReturnOfFa posted... I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time. I believe it is only a specific sort of person who doesn't believe it. Because you know we have people glorifying how great harassment and threats are: Ferarri619 posted... Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault. And trying to argue assault is cool Ferarri619 posted... No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:956496706] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>I find it odd that people don't believe this kind of stuff, or find it 'too over the top'. I have worked in restaurants and lumber yards with their fair share of awful stuff that gets said/done all the time.</quote> I believe it is only a specific sort of person who doesn't believe it. Because you know we have people glorifying how great harassment and threats are: Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>Of all the gross stuff that's come out in this whole ordeal, I honestly dunno why you highlighted this part. This type of behaviour is not the same thing as being pinned down and raped. The level of toxicity is important and I think that's why there is so much backlash against the Metoo movement. I would absolutely love if all I had to worry about in life was being catcalled and "hit on". It's important to distinguish that from real assault.</quote> And trying to argue assault is cool Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>No. I believe that harassment in the workplace is something that needs to be taken seriously and combated, but that it's also a complex issue and that people seem to generalize it and treat it as a black-and-white issue when it really isn't. Did the accused continue when the accuser let him know she wasn't okay with it, did she tell the accuser to stop, etc. Also there are instances in which hitting on someone is appropriate, and when it isn't. People whom are attracted to one another hitting on each other is part of life. Context is important. I guess one thing about the part you highlighted is that he "attempted" to kiss her, as in, she pulled away, so once he knew she didn't wanna be kissed, he stopped. From that wording it seems like he wasn't forcing it. I just feel like this is different from crawling around cubicles and groping women and you're putting them on the same level for some reason.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 07/26/21 11:51:45 PM #96:	^Was not saying that at all and my point still stands that the news article you quoted was a terrible example. Stop posting overgeneralized bs and virtue signalling in attempt to make yourself look cool. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:956497173] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>^Was not saying that at all and my point still stands that the news article you quoted was a terrible example. Stop posting overgeneralized bs and virtue signalling in attempt to make yourself look cool. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silvergokuZ 07/27/21 5:28:36 AM #97:	Sarcasthma posted... Did you go to HR to file a report? Sadly that sort of thing doesn't occur, not sure if its a UK thing but never seen that sort of issue. But bearing in mind the same company let me get threats of violence from a female colleague after I reported her as not only was she making constant prank calls to the office inc at busy times she would mock me as I am mildly autistic, They let her get away with it and when she found out she threatened to beat me up many times (I was skinny at time and she was tall, big built and very agressive) and when I saw her in public she would threaten me too and I got death threats from her on my mobile phone, she also did it to another guy and HR just acted like we were wasting their time and outright told us to man up, as she was young and we were babies for taking threats from a young woman seriously. She then started putting in reports to HR with claims I was stalking her, which they took me aside one day and acted like they are true as I was quiet and nervous (therefore in their minds strange) and they said even if I am autistic then thats no excuse and I should be careful of how I am around people, she claimed I consistently stank of bo, loads of accusations and each time I was humiliated by HR as they took her fake accusations seriously. --- The red car and the blue car had a race. Good old blue he took the milky way. <cite>silvergokuZ posted [p:956501853] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite> <quote>Did you go to HR to file a report?</quote> Sadly that sort of thing doesn't occur, not sure if its a UK thing but never seen that sort of issue. But bearing in mind the same company let me get threats of violence from a female colleague after I reported her as not only was she making constant prank calls to the office inc at busy times she would mock me as I am mildly autistic, They let her get away with it and when she found out she threatened to beat me up many times (I was skinny at time and she was tall, big built and very agressive) and when I saw her in public she would threaten me too and I got death threats from her on my mobile phone, she also did it to another guy and HR just acted like we were wasting their time and outright told us to man up, as she was young and we were babies for taking threats from a young woman seriously. She then started putting in reports to HR with claims I was stalking her, which they took me aside one day and acted like they are true as I was quiet and nervous (therefore in their minds strange) and they said even if I am autistic then thats no excuse and I should be careful of how I am around people, she claimed I consistently stank of bo, loads of accusations and each time I was humiliated by HR as they took her fake accusations seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 07/27/21 5:32:37 AM #98:	silvergokuZ posted... when I saw her in public she would threaten me too and I got death threats from her on my mobile phone Jesus. You didn't consider talking to the police, did you? --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:956501891] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>silvergokuZ posted... </cite> <quote>when I saw her in public she would threaten me too and I got death threats from her on my mobile phone</quote>Jesus. You didn't consider talking to the police, did you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silvergokuZ 07/27/21 6:00:01 AM #99:	Sarcasthma posted... Jesus. You didn't consider talking to the police, did you? Sadly even though things are mildly changing it was the damaging to both genders stereotype that a female agressor can't hurt a man and a man who is threatened by a woman is weak. I remember going to the same local Police station when I was 16 and was mugged by a gang of teens, I phoned and was told to come in and they literally huffed and puffed when I got there saying there wasn't much point reporting it as it would be hard to identify the culprits and as they were teenagers they would get a slap on the wrists at most, and basically telling me to grow up as I was 16, I ended up due to that having to walk like 8 miles home in pitch black on country roads with no street lights as I missed the last bus home to give a statement. I did live in a somewhat old fashioned town though, in recent years like everywhere they have had a lot of Eastern European and non white migration that being said. It was a town that until the mid 00's certain middle class shops refused to hire anyone that lived in the social housing part of town, they even wrote on the forms in windows "no one from X postcodes need apply" I went to a school where anyone from a poor background was placed in the lowest intelligence classes regardless of skill, and middle class backgrounds were placed in the best classes again regardless of skill. Better stop there but can go on for a long time! --- The red car and the blue car had a race. Good old blue he took the milky way. <cite>silvergokuZ posted [p:956502145] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>Sarcasthma posted... </cite> <quote>Jesus. You didn't consider talking to the police, did you?</quote> Sadly even though things are mildly changing it was the damaging to both genders stereotype that a female agressor can't hurt a man and a man who is threatened by a woman is weak. I remember going to the same local Police station when I was 16 and was mugged by a gang of teens, I phoned and was told to come in and they literally huffed and puffed when I got there saying there wasn't much point reporting it as it would be hard to identify the culprits and as they were teenagers they would get a slap on the wrists at most, and basically telling me to grow up as I was 16, I ended up due to that having to walk like 8 miles home in pitch black on country roads with no street lights as I missed the last bus home to give a statement. I did live in a somewhat old fashioned town though, in recent years like everywhere they have had a lot of Eastern European and non white migration that being said. It was a town that until the mid 00's certain middle class shops refused to hire anyone that lived in the social housing part of town, they even wrote on the forms in windows "no one from X postcodes need apply" I went to a school where anyone from a poor background was placed in the lowest intelligence classes regardless of skill, and middle class backgrounds were placed in the best classes again regardless of skill. Better stop there but can go on for a long time! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 07/27/21 6:14:03 AM #100:	That sounds like an absolutely shitty place to live. Glad you're not there any longer. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:956502259] in The State ... [t:79578308]...</cite> <quote>That sounds like an absolutely shitty place to live. Glad you're not there any longer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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