Current Events > So what are the odds on Final Fantasy XVI being good?

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People overall seem to like FVII Remake, FFXIV and its recent expansions.

Reception to FXIII and its sequels along with FFXV seem to be mixed at best.

So what about FFXVI and what looks to be a more gritty and serious direction?

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It looks cool af so far

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I think it will be.

It has one of the combat designers for Devil May Cry 5 working on it, so at the very least the combat will be amazing

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I hope its good because the theme seems pretty cool. I like what I played of 7 Remake, will probably finish it eventually. But 15 was really, really bad and I will never finish that game lol
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Extremely high with Yoshi-P heading it up.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Extremely high with Yoshi-P heading it up.

which also means it'll come out within the decade

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SSJKirby posted...

which also means it'll come out within the decade

And issues he'll fix by throwing more issues at it

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The guy in charge of it has some form of brain which immediately puts it in better standing than any non-FF14 Square Enix game in the last ~20 years

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Hard to say, Final Fantasy fans are like Star Wars fans. They claim to love the series but spend more time screeching about it than actually enjoying it.

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So the basic belief right now is that Yoshi-P is the lead so it'll be good since he has already proven himself? Along with other key designers that bring in a bit of fresh blood?

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When you start off from a position of strength, it's hard to screw things up.

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Pretty decent with Yoshi-P working on it. Also, IIRC, former Capcom devs are involved with the combat so it'll probably be pretty good.

Edit: Also...I'd like to think that the era of Square-Enix taking forever to get games out is behind us. They were in a phase where they couldn't get their shit together in development, and when they finally did something about it, the games in dev hell got restarted and came out in like 2-3 years. Happened with VsXIII when it got renamed to FFXV, happened with FFVIIR when they booted out CyberConnect2 and did the game themselves.

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They havent made a great game since IX and havent made a halfway decent game since XIII, so my bet is that its going to suck. FF15 is one of the worst games of the series, IMO. The original FF game had more story than 15 and the combat was abysmal. The original Kingdom Hearts game had better action RPG combat than 15.

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Payzmaykr posted...

They havent made a great game since IX and havent made a halfway decent game since XIII, so my bet is that its going to suck. FF15 is one of the worst games of the series, IMO. The original FF game had more story than 15 and the combat was abysmal. The original Kingdom Hearts game had better action RPG combat than 15.

You know other things came out apart from 15 right?

FF7 remake has been pretty damn decent. Shadowbringers was amazing with endwalker looking to be as good if not better. Even some older games like World of Final Fantasy, DQ11 and Octopath Traveller were fun as hell.

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7 remake is a cash grab opportunity and they changed the combat system.

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You just said good so almost definite. Amazing is more of a long shot for most fans.

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Given the people involved, all signs point to yes.

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Payzmaykr posted...

7 remake is a cash grab opportunity and they changed the combat system.

It's a pretty god damned well made cash grab then.

Edit: And also turn-based nostalgic people really do go on and on about the archaic battle system. If you wanted the exact same thing, try the PC version out. You'll get the experience you want with better graphics.

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Payzmaykr posted...

7 remake is a cash grab opportunity and they changed the combat system.

Honestly everything involving FFVII outside the original game is a cash grab.

But Remake is extremely well-made and really fun.

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I'm honestly skeptical given that this is Yoshi-P's first project outside the MMO and mobile division. Also outside of one or two fights the single player duties of FFXIV have been dreadfully boring thanks to the playerbase complaining about having to push more than three buttons.

OmegaShinkai posted...

Also outside of one or two fights the single player duties of FFXIV have been dreadfully boring thanks to the playerbase complaining about having to push more than three buttons.

The solo instances/Job quest trials are generally considered the worst part of the game. 16's combat won't play at all like 14 though

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BakonBitz posted...

Honestly everything involving FFVII outside the original game is a cash grab.

But Remake is extremely well-made and really fun.

Yeah, I grew up with the original, and Remake's battle system has more depth and strategy than any of the ATB-based games. For a "cash grab", it sure as hell has more effort than something like Dirge of Cerberus.

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OmegaShinkai posted...

I'm honestly skeptical given that this is Yoshi-P's first project outside the MMO and mobile division. Also outside of one or two fights the single player duties of FFXIV have been dreadfully boring thanks to the playerbase complaining about having to push more than three buttons.

Have you done Stormblood and Shadowbringers? The fights outside of multiplayer content get a lot harder and more interesting. It starts to have full fledge mechanics and difficulty.

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Idk but i hope 16 is good

My only concern with 16 is the world and style seen in the trailer. I prefer a mix of fantasy and sci-fi in the series, but it looks a little too heavy with the medieval settings.

Even 12 at least had some technology.

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Very. I know the taste is still bad with FFXV but remember that was being developed simultaneously with FF13 and their design paradigms they had at the time. It's the same mindset that led to FFXIV original. They've leaned. They gave us FFXIV:ARR and it only got better since. FF7 Remake is amazing as well.

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I think most people are tired of playing the odds only to be disappointed eith this series. The only things carrying the fanchise now are FF14, FF7 for the most part.

The latter being a huge time investment and the former only a good game at best.

Doesn't help that the series being one off games was a huge mistake.

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Hayame Zero posted...

My only concern with 16 is the world and style seen in the trailer. I prefer a mix of fantasy and sci-fi in the series, but it looks a little too heavy with the medieval settings.

Even 12 at least had some technology.

Its the same with XIV with Eorzea until you go to new lands and enter Allagan areas or even some other places I'd rather not say in case of spoilers.

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Hayame Zero posted...

My only concern with 16 is the world and style seen in the trailer. I prefer a mix of fantasy and sci-fi in the series, but it looks a little too heavy with the medieval settings.

Even 12 at least had some technology.

Yeah I'm playing through FFVII Remake and the world is so unique and gorgeous. Looks so lived in and has such a great atmosphere. Hopefully this style of world manages to recapture it but the setting isn't as exciting looking.

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Darmik posted...

Yeah I'm playing through FFVII Remake and the world is so unique and gorgeous. Looks so lived in and has such a great atmosphere. Hopefully this style of world manages to recapture it but the setting isn't as exciting looking.

Yeah. Hopefully the next time they show XVI it'll look really good. Because the initial reveal made it seem like it was barely better-looking than XV, maybe even worse in some areas.

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SpiritSephiroth posted...

Have you done Stormblood and Shadowbringers

Stormblood is where they honestly got worse. People actually complained that the Y'shtola duty was too hard because you had to attack AND heal at the same time and that's too much for the Netflix healer crowd that just wants to spam Cure II. As a result the duty in the next patch where you play as Hien against Zenos doesn't even require actual player input and you can literally run in circles doing nothing until you win by default.

Very unlikely. There hasn't been a good FF since IX.

After the mediocrity of XII and XIII and after how outright bad XV was, I'm not exactly confident.

Apparently FFVIIR is good, but until they port it on a non-Sony system, I won't get to try it myself.

BakonBitz posted...

Yeah. Hopefully the next time they show XVI it'll look really good. Because the initial reveal made it seem like it was barely better-looking than XV, maybe even worse in some areas.

the graphical fidelity was significantly better, it just need another pass at the lighting

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SSJCAT posted...

It looks cool af so far

15 looked cool back then too

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Too early to tell.

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given the team making it, Im expecting it to be better than ffxiii and ff15, if its on par with FFXII Ill be very pleased

MagnusDJL posted...

After the mediocrity of XII and XIII and after how outright bad XV was, I'm not exactly confident.

Apparently FFVIIR is good, but until they port it on a non-Sony system, I won't get to try it myself.

XII is not mediocre, its a very good game

OmegaShinkai posted...

Stormblood is where they honestly got worse. People actually complained that the Y'shtola duty was too hard because you had to attack AND heal at the same time and that's too much for the Netflix healer crowd that just wants to spam Cure II. As a result the duty in the next patch where you play as Hien against Zenos doesn't even require actual player input and you can literally run in circles doing nothing until you win by default.

Hmm, when you get to Shadowbringers I want to know what you think of a few fights.

Edit: Just for clarification, I'm a savage raider so I don't necessarily find the fights extremely hard. But I think they're more challenging and interactive than the base games single player instanced fights.

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OmegaShinkai posted...

Stormblood is where they honestly got worse. People actually complained that the Y'shtola duty was too hard because you had to attack AND heal at the same time and that's too much for the Netflix healer crowd that just wants to spam Cure II. As a result the duty in the next patch where you play as Hien against Zenos doesn't even require actual player input and you can literally run in circles doing nothing until you win by default.

excellent, no one wantvto attack and heal at the same time