Poll of the Day > 80 y/o NY Man is found DEAD with I TOUCH LITTLE GIRLS written on his CHEST!!!

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mrduckbear
07/20/21 7:25:41 PM
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Do you support vigilante justice even if you believed that person was guilty?


80 y/o Robert Raynor, a staten island man was found brutally beaten to death in his home with a disturbing message SCRAWLED on his chest that says "I touch little girls" on it!!.

Police found his body on the first floor hallway of a multi-family home in Tompkinsville as police found the message in black ink written there as well as "I take dolls in my room for girls age 1-5" on his stomach

The word "i touch" was on his foot as he was found shirtless and lying face up with cuts on his forehead and 2 black eyes with a broken nose as it appeared he was killed by vigilante men who may have seen him as a pedophile

The disturbing allegations do not seem to be backed up by his rap sheet who's had 24 prior arrests but no record of pedophilia and his name isn't on any sex offender list

The NYPD homicide division is now investigating and whether these allegations were true and if he was murdered by vigilante pedophile hunters

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Kyuubi4269
07/20/21 8:25:55 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
The disturbing allegations do not seem to be backed up by his rap sheet who's had 24 prior arrests

Well clearly he had issues, this wouldn't be a surprising revelation.
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adjl
07/20/21 9:47:45 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Well clearly he had issues, this wouldn't be a surprising revelation.

Not really. The vast majority of criminals aren't child molesters. His prior record does nothing to make pedophilia more believable.

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InfernalFive
07/20/21 9:48:44 PM
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Anyone in favor of vigilante justice is a psychopath, end of story.

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Zareth
07/20/21 10:53:33 PM
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Let's just kill a dude and write shit on his corpse so people will think he was a child molester and not care
Fucking disgusting

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mooreandrew58
07/20/21 10:59:41 PM
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Zareth posted...
Let's just kill a dude and write shit on his corpse so people will think he was a child molester and not care
Fucking disgusting

That assumption is almost as bad as the opposite assumption. Like none of us know the real story. Maybe he is a pedo? Killer needs to be caught but if facts come to light that he was indeed a pedo it would be some form of justice for his victims that he is even after death was found guilty of his crimes more so than him being dead. But that will likely make some happy too

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Zareth
07/20/21 11:08:27 PM
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He had 24 prior arrests but none of them sex crime related. He probably pissed off the wrong people.

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Zeus
07/20/21 11:15:29 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
Do you support vigilante justice even if you believed that person was guilty?

...the implication being that people should support it when they don't believe a person is guilty? >_> Either way, no, we have a fucking legal system. And much -- if not most -- of the time, the thing turns out to not be true anyway?

And just within the last week or two you had some guy murdered on the street as the result of a wrongful accusation.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Well clearly he had issues, this wouldn't be a surprising revelation.

Except it would be surprising, considering none of the priors had anything to do with that. If somebody is sloppy enough to get 24 priors, they're a shitty criminal so it seems unlikely they just go away with it. The people who do get discovered as prolific pedos are generally people with *no* priors (or at least related priors).

Zareth posted...
Let's just kill a dude and write shit on his corpse so people will think he was a child molester and not care
Fucking disgusting

Was the first thing I was thinking, tbh.

mooreandrew58 posted...
That assumption is almost as bad as the opposite assumption. Like none of us know the real story. Maybe he is a pedo? Killer needs to be caught but if facts come to light that he was indeed a pedo it would be some form of justice for his victims that he is even after death was found guilty of his crimes more so than him being dead. But that will likely make some happy too

That's a shitty assumption that amounts to taking a murderer at his word. If the killer believed the claims, he had an opportunity to involve the law and then an opportunity to make his case to the public. He did neither.

Unless there's some extenuating circumstance, it just seems like straight-up murder.

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mooreandrew58
07/20/21 11:21:14 PM
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Zeus posted...
...the implication being that people should support it when they don't believe a person is guilty? >_> Either way, no, we have a fucking legal system. And much -- if not most -- of the time, the thing turns out to not be true anyway?

And just within the last week or two you had some guy murdered on the street as the result of a wrongful accusation.

Except it would be surprising, considering none of the priors had anything to do with that. If somebody is sloppy enough to get 24 priors, they're a shitty criminal so it seems unlikely they just go away with it. The people who do get discovered as prolific pedos are generally people with *no* priors (or at least related priors).

Was the first thing I was thinking, tbh.

That's a shitty assumption that amounts to taking a murderer at his word. If the killer believed the claims, he had an opportunity to involve the law and then an opportunity to make his case to the public. He did neither.

Unless there's some extenuating circumstance, it just seems like straight-up murder.

No I'm saying any of us regular people making assumptions is stupid. All we know is someone is dead and had shit written on him by who was likely his killer. I'm saying we cant assume he was or wasnt a pedo. Until the killer is caught we won't really have more facts than that and still might not when/if he gets captured.

And him being a pedo or not doesnt justify the murder anyways. Just will make some of less sympathetic to the case.

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Kyuubi4269
07/20/21 11:33:15 PM
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Zeus posted...
The people who do get discovered as prolific pedos are generally people with *no* priors (or at least related priors).

He has no related priors, that's the point. Someone with evident moral degeneracy would certainly be higher on my watch list.
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Reigning_King
07/20/21 11:35:16 PM
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I can't help but notice several people itt using the term "pedo", if the allegation is true that would make him a child molester which is an entirely different thing. I know what you guys mean but just a reminder that using the incorrect terminology helps no one and actually hurts people (same with calling someone who is attracted to pubescent but legally underage teens or someone who is attracted to drawn depictions of minors a pedophile).

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mooreandrew58
07/20/21 11:37:09 PM
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Reigning_King posted...
I can't help but notice several people itt using the term "pedo", if the allegation is true that would make him a child molester which is an entirely different thing. I know what you guys mean but just a reminder that using the incorrect terminology helps no one and actually hurts people (same with calling someone who is attracted to pubescent but legally underage teens a pedophile).

Thanks.

Well... I guess not all pedos are child molesters but it stands to reason all child molesters are pedos

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Reigning_King
07/20/21 11:42:42 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Well... I guess not all pedos are child molesters but it stands to reason all child molesters are pedos
Not even close. That sort of thinking actually leads to real life harm in some cases. Most child molesters are "simply" oppertunistic sexual predators, the age of the victim is only relevant to them in that it makes them easier to control and thus abuse. These same people have no problems carrying on relationships with adults and often don't have the same telltale "red flags" that a true pedophile might display and so they actually have easier access to victims.

The situation is kinda like the whole "stranger danger" scare in the 90s and 00s, in that it had people looking out for weirdos in trenchcoats at the park who are about as rare as unicorns when it was much, much more likely a relative, trusted neighbor, or significant other was the one most likely to abuse their children.

That actually reminds me of a case where a little girl got lost at a park and some kind samaritan offered to help her look for her family only to get beaten nearly to death by her father who thought he was some kidnapper or something. The dad didn't even apologize afterwards, he actually started spreading rumors about the stranger even after the incident and harrassed him.
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mooreandrew58
07/20/21 11:48:11 PM
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Reigning_King posted...
Not even close. That sort of thinking actually leads to real life harm in some cases. Most child molesters are "simply" oppertunistic sexual predators, the age of the victim is only relevant to them in that it makes them easier to control and thus abuse. These same people have no problems carrying on relationships with adults and often don't have the same telltale "red flags" that a true pedophile might display and so they actually have easier access to victims.

The situation is kinda like the whole "stranger danger" scare in the 90s and 00s, in that it had people looking out for weirdos in trenchcoats at the park who are about as rare as unicorns when it was much, much more likely a relative, trusted neighbor, or significant other was the one most likely to abuse their children.

I guess I dont understand why one would go out of their way for children if they have zero attraction to children. Like I dont think id even be able to get it up.

I don't really get your point about them being able to have normal relationships with adults. As much as it disgusts me to make the comparison bisexuals prove you can be attracted to more than one thing.

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Reigning_King
07/20/21 11:54:08 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
I guess I dont understand why one would go out of their way for children if they have zero attraction to children. Like I dont think id even be able to get it up.

I don't really get your point about them being able to have normal relationships with adults. As much as it disgusts me to make the comparison bisexuals prove you can be attracted to more than one thing.
Like I said, they're oppertunistic, they don't go out of their way to abuse kids but if they have an easy opportunity to do so and get off they probably will because things like social norms are irrelevant in the face of their lust.

Pedophiles, by clinical definition are only attracted to prepubescent children. Sure some can fake an attraction to an adult but it will be hollow, compared to the average sexual predators who at most is interested in gender. There have been cases of women in nursing homes being raped by some of these same types, whatever they can get away with.
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mooreandrew58
07/20/21 11:58:49 PM
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Reigning_King posted...
Like I said, they're oppertunistic, they don't go out of their way to abuse kids but if they have an easy opportunity to do so and get off they probably will because things like social norms are irrelevant in the face of their lust.

Pedophiles, by clinical definition are only attracted to prepubescent children. Sure some can fake an attraction to an adult but it will be hollow, compared to the average sexual predators who at most is interested in gender. There have been cases of women in nursing homes being raped by some of these same types, whatever they can get away with.

Ok so I follow you on the ease thing. But I still feel one could be attracted to both adults and children. As people say sexuality is a spectrum. But that's really neither here nor there since it has nothing to do with the topic

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streamofthesky
07/21/21 12:14:51 AM
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Zareth posted...
Let's just kill a dude and write shit on his corpse so people will think he was a child molester and not care
Fucking disgusting

Zeus posted...
Was the first thing I was thinking, tbh.
Yup. My first thought was the "cardboard justice" in the Phillipines that Duterte initiated. Where you can now kill somebody and put a cardboard sign on their corpse that they were a drug user, and you're in the clear.

That's a shitty assumption that amounts to taking a murderer at his word.
I felt the same regarding Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin, where the court basically took his account of events as fact due to a lack of anyone else to dispute them.
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Muscles
07/21/21 2:02:19 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Yup. My first thought was the "cardboard justice" in the Phillipines that Duterte initiated. Where you can now kill somebody and put a cardboard sign on their corpse that they were a drug user, and you're in the clear.
They don't do a toxicology report to make sure it's legit at least? Or are they completely fine with innocent citizens getting murdered?

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streamofthesky
07/21/21 4:47:12 PM
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Muscles posted...
They don't do a toxicology report to make sure it's legit at least? Or are they completely fine with innocent citizens getting murdered?

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/08/la-pieta-philippines-duterte/494330/

As Rodrigo Duterte campaigned for president he advocated a simple approach to fighting criminals: Kill them all, he said to both gasps and loud applause.
Shooting deaths before Duterte won the May 9 election averaged about two a week in the Philippines. Immediately after his victory, one person was killed by police or vigilantes every day. Around the time Duterte took the presidential oath of office on June 30, it had risen to three a day. By July 21, not even a full month into Dutertes term,it increased to 10 a day. In all, since Duterte assumed office, police or vigilantes have killed between 400 and 770 alleged criminals.

Those killed by the vigilantes are usually poor, some drug addicts, and some labeled drug dealers. The killers shoot from motorcycles, drop a cardboard sign with something like addict or drug pusher scribbled on it, then speed away. Killings like these went from being rare, to becoming daily occurrences, to reaching double digits every day.

The killings werent normal. All were tied to Dutertes call for the extermination of the countrys undesirablesthe addicts and criminals. He had promised to fill Manila Bay with their bodies. Within a week of Duterte officially taking office, the Inquirer was already writing about the killings in a fatigued tone: The killingsand the explanations given by the police to justify themcontinue to pile up. Officers killed two suspected drug dealers while they were handcuffed. Vigilantes killed a man who had mocked the new national police chief. They shot up a cemetery and killed five people, including a mother and her son celebrating a birthday, leaving behind one sign for all of them. They killed a teenager feeding his dog, who seemingly had no ties to drugs; and police shot and killed a suspected drug dealer because he tried to grab an officers gun. Journalists like Lerma, the photographer with the Inquirer, chronicled many of these killings. But until July 23, when Siaron, the sidecar driver, was killed, the deaths attracted little attention.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/04/philippines-secret-death-squads-police-officer-teams-behind-killings

The officer claims he is part of one of 10 newly formed and highly secretive police special operations teams, each with 16 members.
He claims the teams are coordinated to execute a list of targets: suspected drug users, dealers and criminals.
The killings mostly take place at night, he says, with the officers hooded and dressed in all black. They set their watches, giving themselves one minute or two to extract target individuals from their houses and kill on the spot swift, precise, no witnesses.
He claims they then dump the bodies in the next town or under a bridge or they plaster masking tape around the head of the corpse and place a cardboard sign on the body that reads drug lord or pusher.
We put placards in order for the media, in order for those investigating [the] bodies to redirect their investigation, he explains, leading them to think: Why should I investigate this guy, he is a drug pusher, he is a rapist, never mind with that one, I will just investigate the others. Its a good thing for him that happened to him.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-drugs/retired-philippine-policeman-says-duterte-ordered-death-squad-hits-idUSKBN15Z0C8

More than 7,700 people have been killed in the latest crackdown, some 2,500 in what police say are shootouts during raids and sting operations.
Most of the rest are under investigation and activists believe many were extrajudicial killings.
Lascanas said death squad members in Davao got 20,000 to 100,000 pesos ($398 to $1,990) per hit, depending on the targets value. Some members, he said, were former Communist rebels.
He confessed to the unsolved murder of a Davao radio show host who was staunchly critical of Duterte.
Lascanas detailed his involvement in the bombing of a mosque and the killing of the family of a suspected kidnapper. The victims included a pregnant woman, a small boy and an elderly person.
Both attacks were ordered by Duterte, he said.
This is how it began, all the killings we did in Davao, whether we bury or we throw in the sea, we are being paid by Mayor Duterte, he said.

You tell me.
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Criminalt
07/21/21 5:00:33 PM
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No sane person wants neighbourhood death squads to operate freely where you live, killing anyone they choose, no matter what 'justification' they may offer.

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Zeus
07/28/21 5:20:42 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
He has no related priors, that's the point. Someone with evident moral degeneracy would certainly be higher on my watch list.

That makes no sense. If somebody is convicted for a moral degeneracy, you now know their degeneracy and they're unable to cover up their crimes. It makes the odds of a specific completely unrelated degeneracy less likely, certainly far less likely than the general population. There are some crimes you can maybe stretch, but this is pretty unlikely.

Reigning_King posted...
I can't help but notice several people itt using the term "pedo", if the allegation is true that would make him a child molester which is an entirely different thing.

If he was a child molester, he'd also almost certainly be a pedophile. The term still fits, unless you're suggesting that people may be molesting children without being attracted to them which... idk, I guess would be possible if they were just creating CP for commercial purposes, but it feels like a lot of leaps.

Reigning_King posted...
Not even close. That sort of thinking actually leads to real life harm in some cases. Most child molesters are "simply" oppertunistic sexual predators, the age of the victim is only relevant to them in that it makes them easier to control and thus abuse. These same people have no problems carrying on relationships with adults and often don't have the same telltale "red flags" that a true pedophile might display and so they actually have easier access to victims.

In the case of somebody pursuing pubescent minors, maybe, but that seems pretty unlikely in the case of prepubescent minors because you'd need some specific attraction. Otherwise I'm not sure there's much basis to the claim that pedophiles are exclusively into prepubescent children, because sexual deviancy is on a spectrum. And that's overlooking the pedophiles who deliberately carry on relationships with adults as a cover for their fascination with kids (which has been the case with other sexual preferences that were illegal at the time), or are with adult partners as a substitute for children.

I'm not saying that you don't always have opportunistic predators, but this is something you'd need at least *some* interest in to do it.

streamofthesky posted...
I felt the same regarding Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin, where the court basically took his account of events as fact due to a lack of anyone else to dispute them.

...only if you ignore all of the evidence, including the cuts and bruises clearly visible on the back of his head after the altercation. Or do you think he did those to himself after shooting Trayvon?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/george-zimmerman-bloodied-and-bruised-files-show-1.1136481

The fact that Zimmerman was attacked is pretty irrefutable. The contention was around the things leading up to Zimmerman being assaulted and beaten badly.

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streamofthesky
07/28/21 6:08:11 PM
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Has it been a week already? Right on cue...

Zeus posted...
...only if you ignore all of the evidence, including the cuts and bruises clearly visible on the back of his head after the altercation. Or do you think he did those to himself after shooting Trayvon?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/george-zimmerman-bloodied-and-bruised-files-show-1.1136481

The fact that Zimmerman was attacked is pretty irrefutable. The contention was around the things leading up to Zimmerman being assaulted and beaten badly.
Or...and hear me out on this... Zimmerman started the physical confrontation and pulled his gun after he was losing the fight. Trayvon was trying to go home and get away from the deranged stalker following him, George was the deranged stalker. Like... even if Trayvon threw the first punch, he was being provoked by Zimmerman. But we don't know who started the fight, we just have the killer's word on the matter.
I will never believe the killer's testimony on its own w/o evidence to back it up. You don't see many of them say, "Yeah, I totally started it. It was my fault the fight happened and I ended up killing that guy." Wonder why...?
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Gaawa_chan
07/28/21 6:24:42 PM
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Trayvon was the one standing his ground against a murderous stalker.

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Metalsonic66
07/28/21 6:30:15 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Trayvon was the one standing his ground against a murderous stalker.
B-but he had cannabis in his system, therefore he must have been a violent criminal

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Reigning_King
07/28/21 6:41:10 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Trayvon was the one standing his ground against a murderous stalker.
You were there? Why didn't you testify on his behalf?
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wwinterj25
07/28/21 8:38:06 PM
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mrduckbear posted...
Do you support vigilante justice even if you believed that person was guilty?

Not without proof.


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OhhhJa
07/28/21 9:34:45 PM
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Zeus posted...
That makes no sense. If somebody is convicted for a moral degeneracy, you now know their degeneracy and they're unable to cover up their crimes
Except that sex crimes are notorious for people getting away with them whether it's due to the victim not pursuing charges (and in many cases being attacked or ridiculed for doing so) or lack of evidence.
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OhhhJa
07/28/21 9:42:00 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
Trayvon was the one standing his ground against a murderous stalker.
I really have a pretty neutral stance in this story, but none of us really know what happened. I would consider George Zimmerman the aggressor for chasing after someone at night, but I also think it's odd that all the initial witnesses supporting trayvon recanted before trial.

It's shitty that there was nobody to really testify as a real close eyewitness, but thats the shortcoming of the justice system. Without evidence or witnesses, we're basically relying on forensics and the word of the killer
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Sycophant
07/28/21 9:44:27 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
Anyone in favor of vigilante justice is a psychopath, end of story.
No, if for the greater good and for purpose someone somewhere does something to purge society of the child milestones.

*death note * spoilers below
Btw I rooted for Light in Death Note.
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streamofthesky
07/28/21 9:48:11 PM
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Sycophant posted...
No, if for the greater good and for purpose someone somewhere does something to purge society of the child milestones.

*death note * spoilers below
Btw I rooted for Light in Death Note.
I'm not surprised, ok?
You seem like exactly the type of unhinged psycho that'd root for him.
The "Light Yagami fan base" is a vile cess pool that make 4chan users look like saints by comparison.
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Sycophant
07/28/21 9:49:48 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
I'm not surprised, ok?
You seem like exactly the type of unhinged psycho that'd root for him.
The "Light Yagami fan base" is a vile cess pool that make 4chan users look like saints by comparison.

If people are guilty of murder or pedophilia than they are no longer people in my opinion.

false convictions is the only reason mass executions do not occur of the murderers and pedophiles that abuse kids
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FourthDimension
07/28/21 9:55:29 PM
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Light murdered innocents?
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Sycophant
07/28/21 10:01:51 PM
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FourthDimension posted...
Light murdered innocents?
For the greater good I remember that reporter chick but she was a necessary sacrifice.
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streamofthesky
07/28/21 10:06:58 PM
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Sycophant posted...
If people are guilty of murder or pedophilia than they are no longer people in my opinion.

false convictions is the only reason mass executions do not occur of the murderers and pedophiles that abuse kids

Sycophant posted...
For the greater good I remember that reporter chick but she was a necessary sacrifice.

You're fucking sick.
Also literally the very first episode he murdered someone that he thought was a law enforcement officer, for the "crime" of calling him stupid. Then a few episodes later he murders an entire FBI detachment. Then the FBI leader's GF b/c she was about to discover who he was.
He's blatantly the villain and an irredeemably evil one, from the very start. He kills any who so much as insult him and even the times he kills criminals, they're mostly already in jail and not a threat to anyone. Plus, Japan in particular is notorious for forcing confessions from suspects so a lot of the people in jail are likely innocent.
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Sycophant
07/28/21 10:10:08 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
You're fucking sick.
Also literally the very first episode he murdered someone that he thought was a law enforcement officer, for the "crime" of calling him stupid. Then a few episodes later he murders an entire FBI detachment. Then the FBI leader's GF b/c she was about to discover who he was.
He's blatantly the villain and an irredeemably evil one, from the very start. He kills any who so much as insult him and even the times he kills criminals, they're mostly already in jail and not a threat to anyone. Plus, Japan in particular is notorious for forcing confessions from suspects so a lot of the people in jail are likely innocent.
Death note spoilers
he destroyed those who impeded on his divine mission. In a world that seems godless he was given the right to be one. I did not cry when he died or anything though.
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streamofthesky
07/28/21 10:16:03 PM
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Sycophant posted...
If people are guilty of murder or pedophilia than they are no longer people in my opinion.

false convictions is the only reason mass executions do not occur of the murderers and pedophiles that abuse kids

Sycophant posted...
For the greater good I remember that reporter chick but she was a necessary sacrifice.

Sycophant posted...
he destroyed those who impeded on his divine mission.

Well, I worried people would call me out for hyperbole when I favorably compared 4chan users to the Light fan base, but you did an excellent job quickly proving my point, thanks.
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Sega9599
08/04/21 11:05:14 AM
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Reigning_King posted...
Like I said, they're oppertunistic, they don't go out of their way to abuse kids but if they have an easy opportunity to do so


So.....men who rape animals, or straight men who rape other men aren't necessarily into bestiallity or homosexuality......they're just taking advantage of opportunities?

I wish I could use that in court.

"I'm not a real rapist at all your honour, I don't go out looking for women to rape. But ya gotta understand, it was only when the easy opportunity presented itself, that I decided to go ahead. Really it's her fault for wearing that short skirt anyway "


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