Poll of the Day > I'm an anti-natalist.

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Far-Queue 07/23/21 5:32:24 PM #202:	Reigning_King posted... You being too selfish and inflexible to conceive of benefiting someone who could but doesn't exist isn't an argument. We're inflexible?! lmao You love the smell of your own BS so much that you fail to realize that these non-existent people your whole garbage argument hinges on would prefer to live with some suffering rather than not live at all, and that denial of their existence is far more selfish than someone looking to improve their lives. --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "I'm a pathetic Simp and am proud to be exploited" - Lord_Shadow <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:956394458] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You being too selfish and inflexible to conceive of benefiting someone who could but doesn't exist isn't an argument.</quote>We're inflexible?! lmao You love the smell of your own BS so much that you fail to realize that these non-existent people your whole garbage argument hinges on would prefer to live with some suffering rather than not live at all, and that denial of their existence is far more selfish than someone looking to improve their lives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Truth_Decay 07/23/21 5:49:33 PM #203:	Ignoring your points? Can't admit I'm wrong? Awful lot of projecting in your post. I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem unable to stay focused. Your argument falls apart because it isn't practical, and it doesn't solve anything. Getting rid of the humanity isn't a solution. It's a cop-out. If you're not smart enough to come up with real solutions, or lack the strength and resolve to face suffering in the interim, then I guess you resort to feeble-minded "solutions" like anti-natalism. There's no quick fix to human suffering. I don't agree in genocide or catastrophic natural disasters any more than anti-natalism because none of those solves anything. They ignore the issues. There's no magic salve. You have to tackle issues on an individual basis. Homelessness, hunger, poverty, disease, war and conflict, etc etc. Antinatalism isn't practical. It's not a solution. It's a cowardly and simple-minded answer to the complex problems we face as a species. --- Seek the truth / Free your mind Reach a deeper root / Eat the fruit / Leave the rind <cite>Truth_Decay posted [p:956395039] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Ignoring your points? Can't admit I'm wrong? Awful lot of projecting in your post. I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem unable to stay focused. Your argument falls apart because it isn't practical, and it doesn't solve anything. Getting rid of the humanity isn't a solution. It's a cop-out. If you're not smart enough to come up with real solutions, or lack the strength and resolve to face suffering in the interim, then I guess you resort to feeble-minded "solutions" like anti-natalism. There's no quick fix to human suffering. I don't agree in genocide or catastrophic natural disasters any more than anti-natalism because none of those solves anything. They ignore the issues. There's no magic salve. You have to tackle issues on an individual basis. Homelessness, hunger, poverty, disease, war and conflict, etc etc. Antinatalism isn't practical. It's not a solution. It's a cowardly and simple-minded answer to the complex problems we face as a species. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 6:10:40 PM #204:	Start of a new page so let me bring up some of my old points that were ignored before they get completly buried. Reigning_King posted... "Say you desire Outcome X and will do anything to avoid Outcome Y. You believe that by following Plan A you will obtain Outcome X. Later you learn objectively and without question that following Plan A will result in Outcome Y, not X. Would you still go with Plan A or try to develop a Plan B?" "Try thinking about it this way, why does anyone do ANYTHING? Hunger comes naturally without any action, we have to go out of our way to satisfy that hunger, every single thing we do is to satisfy some desire or another. Desires, wants, needs, deprivations, negativity in other words, that comes to us naturally. Many of these desires we can only partly satisfy if at all, plenty of people have starved to death after all, and of those who do get their daily bread, the need to empty their bowels will result soon after because of it. Even if we could somehow satisfy them all then we would be left with boredom, yet another negative. Life is a trial of trying to avoid and reject the negativity inherent to it, but as with all human endeavors it can only be done" "So say you have a beggar in some filthy slum in some war torn 3rd world country who is blind and missing both his legs but has been in his position for so long and so many of the people who have been around him his whole life are also in awful positions or even worse ones that he doesn't see his lot as particularly bad... you would say that he honestly wouldn't be better off with his sight, legs, and money?" "In the past when life expectancy was low a man dying at 35 might not be seen as anything particularly tragic, and a man dying at 60 could have been considered to have lived a good long life. Now the reaction to both would be very different, the family would suffer more grief than their ancient counterpart most probably. Today if a man reaches 100 years old it is a major milestone to be celebrated and no one ever feels bad because so and so didn't live to be 200 instead because such a thing is (currently) impossible. Why shouldn't the inability to live to 200 (...) be seen as a harm?" "...you (...) say that the extinction of humanity would "rob" future people of the chance to experience happiness... so you do actually think people have a duty to have as many children as they can? I mean otherwise those people are being immoral for "robbing" their potential children right? Tell me, every time you see a woman who isn't pregnant do you feel sad for her potential child who could have fun one day if only she got knocked up?" "Optimism is the cause of untold amounts of harm." "A given person might enjoy their own life and be thankful they were born despite the hardships they've suffered but that doesn't mean they should have free reign to make that same choice for someone else who might not have their positive personality or might simply suffer vastly more than they have." "You can not guarantee with any certainty the type of life a child will have. Harming someone, causing them suffering with certainty without their consent because you think it might be in their best interests is unethical unless you can prove the chance of that benefit is 100% [and outweighs the suffering you caused them]." "People can't control luck but they can control if they deliberately endanger people which is what having a child is." "To all pro-natalists... what is your end goal? (...) I would like to hear your own individual end games, how long you think it will take to achieve them by following a pro-natal path, and how sure you are you will get what you want after that time. I assume it must be something fabulously noble if you think that the [relatively quick and painless] end of human suffering is a bad idea since it would interfere with your own" "['Humanity should reject extinction and keep progressing forwards'] Progress towards WHAT?" Feel free to tackle any of these. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956395610] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Start of a new page so let me bring up some of my old points that were ignored before they get completly buried. <quote>Reigning_King posted... "Say you desire Outcome X and will do anything to avoid Outcome Y. You believe that by following Plan A you will obtain Outcome X. Later you learn objectively and without question that following Plan A will result in Outcome Y, not X. Would you still go with Plan A or try to develop a Plan B?" "Try thinking about it this way, why does anyone do ANYTHING? Hunger comes naturally without any action, we have to go out of our way to satisfy that hunger, every single thing we do is to satisfy some desire or another. Desires, wants, needs, deprivations, negativity in other words, that comes to us naturally. Many of these desires we can only partly satisfy if at all, plenty of people have starved to death after all, and of those who do get their daily bread, the need to empty their bowels will result soon after because of it. Even if we could somehow satisfy them all then we would be left with boredom, yet another negative. Life is a trial of trying to avoid and reject the negativity inherent to it, but as with all human endeavors it can only be done" "So say you have a beggar in some filthy slum in some war torn 3rd world country who is blind and missing both his legs but has been in his position for so long and so many of the people who have been around him his whole life are also in awful positions or even worse ones that he doesn't see his lot as particularly bad... you would say that he honestly wouldn't be better off with his sight, legs, and money?" "In the past when life expectancy was low a man dying at 35 might not be seen as anything particularly tragic, and a man dying at 60 could have been considered to have lived a good long life. Now the reaction to both would be very different, the family would suffer more grief than their ancient counterpart most probably. Today if a man reaches 100 years old it is a major milestone to be celebrated and no one ever feels bad because so and so didn't live to be 200 instead because such a thing is (currently) impossible. Why shouldn't the inability to live to 200 (...) be seen as a harm?" "...you (...) say that the extinction of humanity would "rob" future people of the chance to experience happiness... so you do actually think people have a duty to have as many children as they can? I mean otherwise those people are being immoral for "robbing" their potential children right? Tell me, every time you see a woman who isn't pregnant do you feel sad for her potential child who could have fun one day if only she got knocked up?" "Optimism is the cause of untold amounts of harm." "A given person might enjoy their own life and be thankful they were born despite the hardships they've suffered but that doesn't mean they should have free reign to make that same choice for someone else who might not have their positive personality or might simply suffer vastly more than they have." "You can not guarantee with any certainty the type of life a child will have. Harming someone, causing them suffering with certainty without their consent because you think it might be in their best interests is unethical unless you can prove the chance of that benefit is 100% [and outweighs the suffering you caused them]." "People can't control luck but they can control if they deliberately endanger people which is what having a child is." "To all pro-natalists... what is your end goal? (...) I would like to hear your own individual end games, how long you think it will take to achieve them by following a pro-natal path, and how sure you are you will get what you want after that time. I assume it must be something fabulously noble if you think that the [relatively quick and painless] end of human suffering is a bad idea since it would interfere with your own" "['Humanity should reject extinction and keep progressing forwards'] Progress towards WHAT?"</quote> Feel free to tackle any of these. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 6:14:42 PM #205:	Let's quit giving this dude attention. His parents obviously didn't show him affection and that's why he's this way. Nothing in this world is more precious than a baby. Seeing some entitled, spoiled brat ranting about how people shouldn't have kids is just repugnant tbh <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956395728] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Let's quit giving this dude attention. His parents obviously didn't show him affection and that's why he's this way. Nothing in this world is more precious than a baby. Seeing some entitled, spoiled brat ranting about how people shouldn't have kids is just repugnant tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 07/23/21 6:25:08 PM #206:	Feel free to tackle any of these. Nah, your BS has already been laid to waste by smarter people in this topic OhhhJa posted... Let's quit giving this dude attention. Agreed. Waste of time making this dude realize how ignorant he is. --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "I'm a pathetic Simp and am proud to be exploited" - Lord_Shadow <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:956396039] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote><quote>Feel free to tackle any of these.</quote> Nah, your BS has already been laid to waste by smarter people in this topic OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Let's quit giving this dude attention.</quote>Agreed. Waste of time making this dude realize how ignorant he is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 6:49:04 PM #207:	Far-Queue posted... We're inflexible?! lmao You love the smell of your own BS so much that you fail to realize that these non-existent people your whole garbage argument hinges on would prefer to live with some suffering rather than not live at all, and that denial of their existence is far more selfish than someone looking to improve their lives. If you think unborn people, people who don't exist in any form, people who even if they existed would be otherworldly souls of some kind (who would have to be knowledgeable about life on Earth) have things like preferences then you need to seek psychiatric help. I mean how does one communicate with something that doesn't exist? How do you know what they would or would not prefer? How do you know that a singular, specific one of these... souls or whatever you think they are, would want to be born? If even .01% of these souls (I can't believe I'm entertaining this absurdity) didn't want to be born than a mother would still be gambling with the life of her child if she happened to give birth to that one. Truth_Decay posted... Ignoring your points? Can't admit I'm wrong? Awful lot of projecting in your post. I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem unable to stay focused. Your argument falls apart because it isn't practical, and it doesn't solve anything. Getting rid of the humanity isn't a solution. It's a cop-out. If you're not smart enough to come up with real solutions, or lack the strength and resolve to face suffering in the interim, then I guess you resort to feeble-minded "solutions" like anti-natalism. There's no quick fix to human suffering. I don't agree in genocide or catastrophic natural disasters any more than anti-natalism because none of those solves anything. They ignore the issues. There's no magic salve. You have to tackle issues on an individual basis. Homelessness, hunger, poverty, disease, war and conflict, etc etc. Antinatalism isn't practical. It's not a solution. It's a cowardly and simple-minded answer to the complex problems we face as a species. Well yes you're literally ignoring that I objectively proved you wrong twice in a row over your claim that I missed some part of your argument, among many other things. I'm not surprised at this point though, so be it if you have to ignore 80% of my posts to focus on the 20% you think is the weakest in order to try and keep up with me. I mentioned anti-natalism isn't practical back in post #24, as far as how much impact it has but on a theoretical level it is the best way to end human suffering and I stand by that since no one else itt has come up with a single other way to do that compared to the several I have which I compared to come to my conclusion. Your idea of tackling individual problems might very well help reduce suffering but it will never eliminate it. We've been over this several times, just admit you think keeping humanity going is more important than ending suffering, you're more or less saying that already. We have two different goals, we aren't arguing how best to go about doing the same thing. To the problem I have, that suffering exist, anti-natalism is absolutely the correct solution. To the problem you have, that suffering is too great (or however you would phrase it) anti-natalism isn't the solution because you want to have your cake and eat it too by leaving people alive to enjoy the reduced suffering levels. It's a childish fantasy that is ultimately even more impractical than anti-natalism. Suffering will never end, it will only change and since you brought up adaptability in the past I shouldn't have to tell you that people will simply adapt to these better conditions and not see them as anything special. Children born after the last illness is eliminated won't live their lives in perpetually joy because of it, that will just be the normal state of the world to them and they will focus on the problems of their own era. Eliminate homelessness worldwide and people will just become dissatisfied because some have nicer homes than others. Eliminate hunger and people will complain about the food they get. Eliminate war and groups in conflict will just attack each other indirectly. Eliminate disease (I have to assume this somehow includes death as well) and you get overpopulation and degenerative genes being passed along. You call the idea of anti-natalism a cop-out or the equivalent of running away. Well I ask you why one should be ashamed of running away from an endless, difficult and entirely pointless battle where the soldiers sent to fight never asked to be involved in the first place. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956396716] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>We're inflexible?! lmao You love the smell of your own BS so much that you fail to realize that these non-existent people your whole garbage argument hinges on would prefer to live with some suffering rather than not live at all, and that denial of their existence is far more selfish than someone looking to improve their lives.</quote>If you think unborn people, people who don't exist in any form, people who even if they existed would be otherworldly souls of some kind (who would have to be knowledgeable about life on Earth) have things like preferences then you need to seek psychiatric help. I mean how does one communicate with something that doesn't exist? How do you know what they would or would not prefer? How do you know that a singular, specific one of these... souls or whatever you think they are, would want to be born? If even .01% of these souls (I can't believe I'm entertaining this absurdity) didn't want to be born than a mother would still be gambling with the life of her child if she happened to give birth to that one. Truth_Decay posted... </cite> <quote>Ignoring your points? Can't admit I'm wrong? Awful lot of projecting in your post. I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem unable to stay focused. Your argument falls apart because it isn't practical, and it doesn't solve anything. Getting rid of the humanity isn't a solution. It's a cop-out. If you're not smart enough to come up with real solutions, or lack the strength and resolve to face suffering in the interim, then I guess you resort to feeble-minded "solutions" like anti-natalism. There's no quick fix to human suffering. I don't agree in genocide or catastrophic natural disasters any more than anti-natalism because none of those solves anything. They ignore the issues. There's no magic salve. You have to tackle issues on an individual basis. Homelessness, hunger, poverty, disease, war and conflict, etc etc. Antinatalism isn't practical. It's not a solution. It's a cowardly and simple-minded answer to the complex problems we face as a species.</quote>Well yes you're literally ignoring that I objectively proved you wrong twice in a row over your claim that I missed some part of your argument, among many other things. I'm not surprised at this point though, so be it if you have to ignore 80% of my posts to focus on the 20% you think is the weakest in order to try and keep up with me. I mentioned anti-natalism isn't practical back in post #24, as far as how much impact it has but on a theoretical level it is the best way to end human suffering and I stand by that since no one else itt has come up with a single other way to do that compared to the several I have which I compared to come to my conclusion. Your idea of tackling individual problems might very well help reduce suffering but it will never eliminate it. We've been over this several times, just admit you think keeping humanity going is more important than ending suffering, you're more or less saying that already. We have two different goals, we aren't arguing how best to go about doing the same thing. To the problem I have, that suffering exist, anti-natalism is absolutely the correct solution. To the problem you have, that suffering is too great (or however you would phrase it) anti-natalism isn't the solution because you want to have your cake and eat it too by leaving people alive to enjoy the reduced suffering levels. It's a childish fantasy that is ultimately even more impractical than anti-natalism. Suffering will never end, it will only change and since you brought up adaptability in the past I shouldn't have to tell you that people will simply adapt to these better conditions and not see them as anything special. Children born after the last illness is eliminated won't live their lives in perpetually joy because of it, that will just be the normal state of the world to them and they will focus on the problems of their own era. Eliminate homelessness worldwide and people will just become dissatisfied because some have nicer homes than others. Eliminate hunger and people will complain about the food they get. Eliminate war and groups in conflict will just attack each other indirectly. Eliminate disease (I have to assume this somehow includes death as well) and you get overpopulation and degenerative genes being passed along. You call the idea of anti-natalism a cop-out or the equivalent of running away. Well I ask you why one should be ashamed of running away from an endless, difficult and entirely pointless battle where the soldiers sent to fight never asked to be involved in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/23/21 6:51:38 PM #208:	Sunny side up --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956396797] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Sunny side up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 6:53:21 PM #209:	OhhhJa posted... Nothing in this world is more precious than a baby Elaborate on this statement, if you can. Far-Queue posted... Nah, your BS has already been laid to waste by smarter people in this topic Except those points are ones I gathered specifically because no one replied to them. That not even a troll like you can find a single one to try to twist just goes to show they must be pretty ironclad I guess. Must be the reason for the lack of interacting with them in the first place. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956396842] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Nothing in this world is more precious than a baby</quote>Elaborate on this statement, if you can. Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, your BS has already been laid to waste by smarter people in this topic</quote>Except those points are ones I gathered specifically because no one replied to them. That not even a troll like you can find a single one to try to twist just goes to show they must be pretty ironclad I guess. Must be the reason for the lack of interacting with them in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 6:57:49 PM #210:	Reigning_King posted... Elaborate on this statement, if you can. I don't care to with you. You're a morally repugnant person. You wouldn't even comprehend the mindset of someone with normal human emotions so anything I say would be met with another narcissistic, deluded wall of text <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956396971] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Elaborate on this statement, if you can.</quote>I don't care to with you. You're a morally repugnant person. You wouldn't even comprehend the mindset of someone with normal human emotions so anything I say would be met with another narcissistic, deluded wall of text </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 7:03:58 PM #211:	OhhhJa posted... I don't care to with you. You're a morally repugnant person. You wouldn't even comprehend the mindset of someone with normal human emotions so anything I say would be met with another narcissistic, deluded wall of text You know it would have been less effort on your part to just elaborate than type that insult out. Anyways, bringing up one of my uncontested points, if babies are so great do you hold the opposite view as me, that there is actually a moral obligation to have children the way I believe there is a moral obligation not to? I mean saying nothing in the world is more precious actually implies that birthing babies should be the highest priority of anyone, that even things like the autonomy of a woman to choose if she wants a baby is less important and thus she should be forced to have them. Unless you were using hyperbole I guess. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956397164] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I don't care to with you. You're a morally repugnant person. You wouldn't even comprehend the mindset of someone with normal human emotions so anything I say would be met with another narcissistic, deluded wall of text</quote>You know it would have been less effort on your part to just elaborate than type that insult out. Anyways, bringing up one of my uncontested points, if babies are so great do you hold the opposite view as me, that there is actually a moral obligation to have children the way I believe there is a moral obligation not to? I mean saying nothing in the world is more precious actually implies that birthing babies should be the highest priority of anyone, that even things like the autonomy of a woman to choose if she wants a baby is less important and thus she should be forced to have them. Unless you were using hyperbole I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 7:13:32 PM #212:	Reigning_King posted... You know it would have been less effort on your part to just elaborate than type that insult out. Anyways, bringing up one of my uncontested points, if babies are so great do you hold the opposite view as me, that there is actually a moral obligation to have children the way I believe there is a moral obligation not to? I mean saying nothing in the world is more precious actually implies that birthing babies should be the highest priority of anyone, that even things like the autonomy of a woman to choose if she wants a baby is less important and thus she should be forced to have them. Unless you were using hyperbole I guess. Why would I waste my time on someone who obviously doesn't even value human life? <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956397439] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You know it would have been less effort on your part to just elaborate than type that insult out. Anyways, bringing up one of my uncontested points, if babies are so great do you hold the opposite view as me, that there is actually a moral obligation to have children the way I believe there is a moral obligation not to? I mean saying nothing in the world is more precious actually implies that birthing babies should be the highest priority of anyone, that even things like the autonomy of a woman to choose if she wants a baby is less important and thus she should be forced to have them. Unless you were using hyperbole I guess.</quote>Why would I waste my time on someone who obviously doesn't even value human life? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 7:17:00 PM #213:	OhhhJa posted... Why would I waste my time on someone who obviously doesn't even value human life? If I didn't value human life I would be advocating for mass genocide or something, and there actually are people who do that. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956397556] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Why would I waste my time on someone who obviously doesn't even value human life?</quote>If I didn't value human life I would be advocating for mass genocide or something, and there actually are people who do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 7:28:51 PM #214:	I've witnessed less cognitive dissonance with people having bipolar episodes <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956397885] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>I've witnessed less cognitive dissonance with people having bipolar episodes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 7:40:48 PM #215:	OhhhJa posted... I've witnessed less cognitive dissonance with people having bipolar episodes And I'm sure there are schizophrenics who spout fewer non sequiturs and denials of reality during their fits than you have been itt. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956398256] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I've witnessed less cognitive dissonance with people having bipolar episodes</quote>And I'm sure there are schizophrenics who spout fewer non sequiturs and denials of reality during their fits than you have been itt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 7:52:43 PM #216:	He's trying to suck me in. The need for attention is so strong <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956398643] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>He's trying to suck me in. The need for attention is so strong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 8:00:55 PM #217:	OhhhJa posted... He's trying to suck me in. The need for attention is so strong You're the one who had the situation to devolve into that by refusing to post anything worthwhile or even engage with the debate but still posting at all. You can leave the topic at any point you wish and I will remain here awaiting a worthy opponent. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956398885] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>He's trying to suck me in. The need for attention is so strong</quote>You're the one who had the situation to devolve into that by refusing to post anything worthwhile or even engage with the debate but still posting at all. You can leave the topic at any point you wish and I will remain here awaiting a worthy opponent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 07/23/21 8:02:47 PM #218:	Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy" --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "I'm a pathetic Simp and am proud to be exploited" - Lord_Shadow <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:956398944] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 8:11:27 PM #219:	Far-Queue posted... Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy" Maybe take your own advice. This is the second time you've wasted a post # itt with a message like this. PM the guy if you need to retreat and lick each other's wounds, don't clog the topic with it. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956399217] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy"</quote>Maybe take your own advice. This is the second time you've wasted a post # itt with a message like this. PM the guy if you need to retreat and lick each other's wounds, don't clog the topic with it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/23/21 8:14:10 PM #220:	Reigning_King posted... Maybe take your own advice. This is the second time you've wasted a post # itt with a message like this. PM the guy if you need to retreat and lick each other's wounds, don't clog the topic with it. you really do make a bunch of bananaland statements that you insist are universal truths I mean I say some weird stuff and have some bizarre notions too but I always understand that other people have their own life experiences which can shed more wisdom on something that I might be able to gain as opposed to only thinking about things from my perspective alone --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956399310] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe take your own advice. This is the second time you've wasted a post # itt with a message like this. PM the guy if you need to retreat and lick each other's wounds, don't clog the topic with it.</quote> you really do make a bunch of bananaland statements that you insist are universal truths I mean I say some weird stuff and have some bizarre notions too but I always understand that other people have their own life experiences which can shed more wisdom on something that I might be able to gain as opposed to only thinking about things from my perspective alone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 8:28:07 PM #221:	Far-Queue posted... Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy" Yeah I keep getting sucked in by his trolling <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956399733] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted... </cite> <quote>Just leave him to stroke his own ego and perpetuate his ignorance. Not worth gifting him a 500 topic over this dumb as dogshit "philosophy"</quote>Yeah I keep getting sucked in by his trolling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 07/23/21 8:30:25 PM #222:	Reigning_King posted... You can leave the topic at any point you wish and I will remain here awaiting a worthy opponent. Alright... one more just to laugh at this neckbeard cringe lol <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:956399804] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>You can leave the topic at any point you wish and I will remain here awaiting a worthy opponent.</quote>Alright... one more just to laugh at this neckbeard cringe lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/23/21 8:33:10 PM #223:	tips fedora --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956399887] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>tips fedora </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 8:48:16 PM #224:	Mead posted... you really do make a bunch of bananaland statements that you insist are universal truths I mean I say some weird stuff and have some bizarre notions too but I always understand that other people have their own life experiences which can shed more wisdom on something that I might be able to gain as opposed to only thinking about things from my perspective alone I'll assume you mean in general and not in the post you're quoting since it's simple enough to prove that guy made two posts like I described. As far as my claims go I'm actually very surprised that my acknowledgement of the fact that human suffering is inseparable from human existence has received the most push back. It is something 99% of the population can agree on, either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite. I've spent thousands of characters elaborating this simple concept but to no avail while I haven't been given a SINGLE explanation on why the idea doesn't hold true. A much more controversial claim I've made is the one in the OP about having babies being unethical but even after 200+ posts it still hasn't been fully unpacked (props to adjl again for at giving some good counters) because of all the tangents and bickering. I feel I can prove this one if only my opponents were willing to debate properly and address the relevant points. Hmm... the only other thing I can think of that I've claimed is a universal truth is that nonexistent people can't have preferences or feeling or the like, that they are incomparable to living humans. Unless someone believes in supernatural beings and the like I don't know how they would counter this assertion and no one has brought up anything like that. Ironically Christianity is one of the best counters imaginable to anti-natalism, if you're a Christian anyways. That all aside can you blame me for getting short with people when I've been perpetually insulted and had my philosophy dismissively written off from the very beginning of this topic? You talk about perspectives but I lived most of my life with a pro-natal perspective, I wasn't born an anti-natalist who has never taken the time to look at the situation from the other side in my life. How many of the people replying to me are doing the same as I did for them and seriously giving my end of the argument an honest and long consideration? There was a guy at the start of the thread who shit posted here so hard he got warned for it, that's what I've had to deal with here. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956400355] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>you really do make a bunch of bananaland statements that you insist are universal truths I mean I say some weird stuff and have some bizarre notions too but I always understand that other people have their own life experiences which can shed more wisdom on something that I might be able to gain as opposed to only thinking about things from my perspective alone</quote> I'll assume you mean in general and not in the post you're quoting since it's simple enough to prove that guy made two posts like I described. As far as my claims go I'm actually very surprised that my acknowledgement of the fact that human suffering is inseparable from human existence has received the most push back. It is something 99% of the population can agree on, either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite. I've spent thousands of characters elaborating this simple concept but to no avail while I haven't been given a SINGLE explanation on why the idea doesn't hold true. A much more controversial claim I've made is the one in the OP about having babies being unethical but even after 200+ posts it still hasn't been fully unpacked (props to adjl again for at giving some good counters) because of all the tangents and bickering. I feel I can prove this one if only my opponents were willing to debate properly and address the relevant points. Hmm... the only other thing I can think of that I've claimed is a universal truth is that nonexistent people can't have preferences or feeling or the like, that they are incomparable to living humans. Unless someone believes in supernatural beings and the like I don't know how they would counter this assertion and no one has brought up anything like that. Ironically Christianity is one of the best counters imaginable to anti-natalism, if you're a Christian anyways. That all aside can you blame me for getting short with people when I've been perpetually insulted and had my philosophy dismissively written off from the very beginning of this topic? You talk about perspectives but I lived most of my life with a pro-natal perspective, I wasn't born an anti-natalist who has never taken the time to look at the situation from the other side in my life. How many of the people replying to me are doing the same as I did for them and seriously giving my end of the argument an honest and long consideration? There was a guy at the start of the thread who shit posted here so hard he got warned for it, that's what I've had to deal with here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/23/21 9:09:03 PM #225:	Reigning_King posted... It is something 99% of the population can agree on, either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite. I've spent thousands of characters elaborating this simple concept but to no avail while I haven't been given a SINGLE explanation on why the idea doesn't hold true. actually 99% of people agree with me that suffering is imaginary, but you wouldn't know them bc they go to a different message board --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956400975] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>It is something 99% of the population can agree on, either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite. I've spent thousands of characters elaborating this simple concept but to no avail while I haven't been given a SINGLE explanation on why the idea doesn't hold true.</quote> actually 99% of people agree with me that suffering is imaginary, but you wouldn't know them bc they go to a different message board </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 10:28:05 PM #226:	PunishedOni posted... actually 99% of people agree with me that suffering is imaginary, but you wouldn't know them bc they go to a different message board The funny part is that stance is less ridiculous (when looked at the way Buddhism and such treats suffering) than the notion that human suffering exists but isn't tied to human life or is somehow avoidable while alive. I would rather talk to people like that (although I could still pretty easily defeat them), just because such people would have a better grasp of the concepts of hypothetical people and would probably have a more morality based mindset. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956403222] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>PunishedOni posted... </cite> <quote>actually 99% of people agree with me that suffering is imaginary, but you wouldn't know them bc they go to a different message board</quote>The funny part is that stance is less ridiculous (when looked at the way Buddhism and such treats suffering) than the notion that human suffering exists but isn't tied to human life or is somehow avoidable while alive. I would rather talk to people like that (although I could still pretty easily defeat them), just because such people would have a better grasp of the concepts of hypothetical people and would probably have a more morality based mindset. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/23/21 10:30:37 PM #227:	how many buddhists have you defeated --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956403289] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>how many buddhists have you defeated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/23/21 10:34:34 PM #228:	PunishedOni posted... how many buddhists have you defeated I don't think I've had the pleasure to battle one yet, but I have a pretty simple counter. Basically it doesn't matter if suffering is technically real or not, it is effectively real, or we perceive it to be. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956403390] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>PunishedOni posted... </cite> <quote>how many buddhists have you defeated</quote>I don't think I've had the pleasure to battle one yet, but I have a pretty simple counter. Basically it doesn't matter if suffering is technically real or not, it is effectively real, or we perceive it to be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/23/21 11:12:47 PM #229:	nice counterattack. what would you do if the buddhist used ice beam --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956404237] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>nice counterattack. what would you do if the buddhist used ice beam </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 12:39:05 AM #230:	Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956406137] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naruto_fan_42 07/24/21 3:54:32 AM #231:	SunWuKung420 posted... Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity. what is the difference between pain and suffering --- PM me if Ganondorf gets buffed <cite>Naruto_fan_42 posted [p:956409127] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity.</quote>what is the difference between pain and suffering </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/24/21 4:10:04 AM #232:	SunWuKung420 posted... Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity. I don't believe that is the case. Some people have higher tolerances for it but everyone has their limits and weaknesses. Every single person who has ever said that suffering is an illusion or some such and we need not feel it could be made to suffer badly enough they begged for death under the right circumstances. It would be very real for them in those moments, and ultimately that's all that matters, that any human can be put into that state. I would actually agree with this. Even if the pain is minor or very brief all positive growth requires it. However this is only a one way street, all growth requires pain but not all pain results in growth, some of it is entirely pointless and some of it results in negative growth. Absolutely it does, but so do many other things. Trying to avoid all suffering is a fool's errand since even the act of trying to live like that would cause suffering. The best we can do is try to avoid the major pitfalls such as dwelling on things, but like every human endeavors we can only do that imperfectly. Like I said for growth, some types of pain do impart strength but not all, and like I said with perspective everyone has a limit to how much pain they can endure before giving them more is simply sadistic and will not benefit the person in any way. Well I can't find any way to disagree with that one. Sorry but I don't think so. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it, it still makes a sound. At the very least we have ample proof the universe got on just fine before the advent of humanity so there's no reason to suspect our existence is necessary in any way shape or form. Thank you for the interesting post, it actually was thought provoking. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956409297] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity.</quote> I don't believe that is the case. Some people have higher tolerances for it but everyone has their limits and weaknesses. Every single person who has ever said that suffering is an illusion or some such and we need not feel it could be made to suffer badly enough they begged for death under the right circumstances. It would be very real for them in those moments, and ultimately that's all that matters, that any human can be put into that state. I would actually agree with this. Even if the pain is minor or very brief all positive growth requires it. However this is only a one way street, all growth requires pain but not all pain results in growth, some of it is entirely pointless and some of it results in negative growth. Absolutely it does, but so do many other things. Trying to avoid all suffering is a fool's errand since even the act of trying to live like that would cause suffering. The best we can do is try to avoid the major pitfalls such as dwelling on things, but like every human endeavors we can only do that imperfectly. Like I said for growth, some types of pain do impart strength but not all, and like I said with perspective everyone has a limit to how much pain they can endure before giving them more is simply sadistic and will not benefit the person in any way. Well I can't find any way to disagree with that one. Sorry but I don't think so. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it, it still makes a sound. At the very least we have ample proof the universe got on just fine before the advent of humanity so there's no reason to suspect our existence is necessary in any way shape or form. Thank you for the interesting post, it actually was thought provoking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 07/24/21 10:57:06 AM #233:	Reigning_King posted... This is one of the worst attempts at saving face I have ever seen. Let me reiterate: how not to argue philosophically 101 --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:956414741] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>This is one of the worst attempts at saving face I have ever seen. Let me reiterate: </quote>how not to argue philosophically 101 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 07/24/21 11:01:09 AM #234:	Obviously this dude is more interested in winning arguments than being right. That's really the theme of this topic. --- https://imgur.com/NkZUeFd <cite>kind9 posted [p:956414827] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Obviously this dude is more interested in winning arguments than being right. That's really the theme of this topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/24/21 11:04:04 AM #235:	Reigning_King posted... I'm actually very surprised that my acknowledgement of the fact that human suffering is inseparable from human existence Reigning_King posted... It is something 99% of the population can agree on I dont think either of these statements are true at all --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956414880] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>I'm actually very surprised that my acknowledgement of the fact that human suffering is inseparable from human existence</quote> Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>It is something 99% of the population can agree on</quote> I dont think either of these statements are true at all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/24/21 11:06:32 AM #236:	Sunny is the new Panda. Talking to himself --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956414935] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Sunny is the new Panda. Talking to himself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/24/21 12:23:12 PM #237:	ReturnOfFa posted... how not to argue philosophically 101 The post you're quoting had nothing to do with philosophy or the main topic of the thread. Some guy "called me out" because he said I misunderstood part of his post and I proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was wrong (post #192) but he refused to admit it. Kinda like your post here where you've undeniably erroneously claimed I was arguing philosophy when I wasn't. You don't have to be like that guy though, you can admit to your mistake, or at the very least drop this subject instead of trying to feebly wiggle your way out of the situation you put yourself in. Mead posted... I dont think either of these statements are true at all Reigning_King posted... either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite. But go on and tell me why you believe that. Tell me in what way you think human suffering can be separated from human existence. I have given many, many reasons backing up my position, please give me even one in return. Also for clarification (I already mentioned this before) when I say 99% of the population could agree with me I don't mean they would agree with the the conclusion that idea has lead me to. Most people can comfortably say "life isn't fair" because it isn't, bad luck and good luck are things, but virtually all of those same people would also say something like "It isn't good that life isn't fair but that's just the way things are, since nothing can be done about it it isn't worth getting too upset over or trying to change and life is full of good things that make it worth living all the same despite the unfairness." The key here is I agree with the first statement that life isn't fair, but I disagree about the defeatist attitude of the second statement. <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956416761] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>how not to argue philosophically 101</quote>The post you're quoting had nothing to do with philosophy or the main topic of the thread. Some guy "called me out" because he said I misunderstood part of his post and I proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that he was wrong (post #192) but he refused to admit it. Kinda like your post here where you've undeniably erroneously claimed I was arguing philosophy when I wasn't. You don't have to be like that guy though, you can admit to your mistake, or at the very least drop this subject instead of trying to feebly wiggle your way out of the situation you put yourself in. Mead posted... </cite> <quote>I dont think either of these statements are true at all</quote> Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>either I got very unlucky and the delusional 1% are over represented on this board or people are just disagreeing with me out of anger and spite.</quote> But go on and tell me why you believe that. Tell me in what way you think human suffering can be separated from human existence. I have given many, many reasons backing up my position, please give me even one in return. Also for clarification (I already mentioned this before) when I say 99% of the population could agree with me I don't mean they would agree with the the conclusion that idea has lead me to. Most people can comfortably say "life isn't fair" because it isn't, bad luck and good luck are things, but virtually all of those same people would also say something like "It isn't good that life isn't fair but that's just the way things are, since nothing can be done about it it isn't worth getting too upset over or trying to change and life is full of good things that make it worth living all the same despite the unfairness." The key here is I agree with the first statement that life isn't fair, but I disagree about the defeatist attitude of the second statement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 12:37:28 PM #238:	Metalsonic66 posted... Sunny is the new Panda. Talking to himself I'm raising a newborn. Are you even paying attention? "People suffer because they are caught in their views. As soon we release those views, we are free and we don't suffer anymore" Thich Nhat Hanh --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956417145] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>Sunny is the new Panda. Talking to himself</quote>I'm raising a newborn. Are you even paying attention? "People suffer because they are caught in their views. As soon we release those views, we are free and we don't suffer anymore" Thich Nhat Hanh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 07/24/21 12:38:29 PM #239:	Doth protest --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:956417172] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Doth protest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 12:43:23 PM #240:	Metalsonic66 posted... Doth protest Yup. Protesting anti-natalism by bringing a new person into the world. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956417300] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>Doth protest</quote>Yup. Protesting anti-natalism by bringing a new person into the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reigning_King 07/24/21 12:55:11 PM #242:	SunWuKung420 posted... "People suffer because they are caught in their views. As soon we release those views, we are free and we don't suffer anymore" Thich Nhat Hanh I'll go straight to my favorite example of the unescapable underground torture and rape dungeon. How is this advice of any practical worth to someone in that position? Someone being meticulously tortured in exactly the right way based on their weaknesses. It doesn't even have to be physical suffering either. Say the person had a newborn baby and the torturer captured them and brought them down there to slowly torture to death in front of their parent. Is all of this a non issue because the person can simply free themselves from there views of reality and thus not suffer down there? <cite>Reigning_King posted [p:956417596] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>"People suffer because they are caught in their views. As soon we release those views, we are free and we don't suffer anymore" Thich Nhat Hanh</quote>I'll go straight to my favorite example of the unescapable underground torture and rape dungeon. How is this advice of any practical worth to someone in that position? Someone being meticulously tortured in exactly the right way based on their weaknesses. It doesn't even have to be physical suffering either. Say the person had a newborn baby and the torturer captured them and brought them down there to slowly torture to death in front of their parent. Is all of this a non issue because the person can simply free themselves from there views of reality and thus not suffer down there? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/24/21 1:50:56 PM #243:	SunWuKung420 posted... Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity. dog bites lead to rabies rabies leads to bedwetting bedwetting leads to shame shame leads to anger anger leads to dog bites --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956418963] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>Suffering is a matter of perspective. Growth requires pain. Dwelling creates suffering. Pain strengthens existence. Suffering diminishes existence. Existence is a necessity.</quote>dog bites lead to rabies rabies leads to bedwetting bedwetting leads to shame shame leads to anger anger leads to dog bites </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Truth_Decay 07/24/21 1:51:26 PM #244:	I've noticed you deal in extremes a lot. - Unescapable rape room. - Meticulous torture catered to someone's exact weaknesses. - "Why don't you swap lives with someone experiencing great suffering/choose to live in this intense situation?" Makes you come across as very naive and childish. A large part of your argument rests on this notion of these non-existent people, which is exactly why your argument fails. You think it's bulletproof because these people don't exist, and if this situation were to ever occur there'd be no way to measure success vs failure. If it's fair for you to use this hypothetical situation as a crutch for your weak argument, it's fair to say that in some parallel universe, were these non-existent people somehow granted a voice and given a choice to live with some suffering or not live at all, a vast majority would choose existence with suffering. I'm confident saying this as I can point to current suicide statistics to back up the claim. In 2017, global averages were under 2%, with some countries seeing rates as high as 5%. Nothing to scoff at, as these figures amount to hundreds of thousands of lives lost, but a vast and overwhelming majority choose to live. Including those who live in harsh, adverse situations. If your non-existent people were given an option, they would choose life with suffering. So your whole philosophy is a pointless, impractical, and frankly moronic brain exercise. And if you're going to propose your pathetic theory is unassailable due to the fact that you're speaking on behalf of phantoms, what I've just shown you cancels all that out. All you're left with is... what, exactly? Nothing! At the end of the day you're posing as a champion for ghosts! And that is as dumb as it is absurd. This is all I'll say on the matter. You seem incapable of accepting how inane and banal your little theory is, and I'm sure you'll go on rejecting everything I post and choosing to continue patting yourself on the back while basking in the glow of sheer ignorance. They say it is bliss, after all Enjoy your topic. --- Seek the truth / Free your mind Reach a deeper root / Eat the fruit / Leave the rind <cite>Truth_Decay posted [p:956418974] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>I've noticed you deal in extremes a lot. - Unescapable rape room. - Meticulous torture catered to someone's exact weaknesses. - "Why don't you swap lives with someone experiencing great suffering/choose to live in this intense situation?" Makes you come across as very naive and childish. A large part of your argument rests on this notion of these non-existent people, which is exactly why your argument fails. You think it's bulletproof because these people don't exist, and if this situation were to ever occur there'd be no way to measure success vs failure. If it's fair for you to use this hypothetical situation as a crutch for your weak argument, it's fair to say that in some parallel universe, were these non-existent people somehow granted a voice and given a choice to live with some suffering or not live at all, a vast majority would choose existence with suffering. I'm confident saying this as I can point to current suicide statistics to back up the claim. In 2017, global averages were under 2%, with some countries seeing rates as high as 5%. Nothing to scoff at, as these figures amount to hundreds of thousands of lives lost, but a vast and overwhelming majority choose to live. Including those who live in harsh, adverse situations. If your non-existent people were given an option, they would choose life with suffering. So your whole philosophy is a pointless, impractical, and frankly moronic brain exercise. And if you're going to propose your pathetic theory is unassailable due to the fact that you're speaking on behalf of phantoms, what I've just shown you cancels all that out. All you're left with is... what, exactly? Nothing! At the end of the day you're posing as a champion for ghosts! And that is as dumb as it is absurd. This is all I'll say on the matter. You seem incapable of accepting how inane and banal your little theory is, and I'm sure you'll go on rejecting everything I post and choosing to continue patting yourself on the back while basking in the glow of sheer ignorance. They say it is bliss, after all Enjoy your topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naruto_fan_42 07/24/21 2:04:50 PM #245:	the fact that everyone hasnt committed suicide yet shows this is a dumb argument --- PM me if Ganondorf gets buffed <cite>Naruto_fan_42 posted [p:956419309] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>the fact that everyone hasnt committed suicide yet shows this is a dumb argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/24/21 2:07:45 PM #246:	Reigning_King posted... Tell me in what way you think human suffering can be separated from human existence. It isnt something that can be factually proven one way or another. There will always be suffering but for many people there are some things in life that are so good, whether its people that we love and feel privileged to get to know, or just aspects of living life that bring joy and satisfaction. Things that make life worth living despite all of the pain and bad things that can happen along the way. In my life I have been much happier by trying not to focus on the pain and struggles when possible, but dealing with the best way I know how while focusing on the positive things that I have going for me and just trying to spread some kindness and laughter when I can. --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:956419411] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>Reigning_King posted... </cite> <quote>Tell me in what way you think human suffering can be separated from human existence.</quote> It isnt something that can be factually proven one way or another. There will always be suffering but for many people there are some things in life that are so good, whether its people that we love and feel privileged to get to know, or just aspects of living life that bring joy and satisfaction. Things that make life worth living despite all of the pain and bad things that can happen along the way. In my life I have been much happier by trying not to focus on the pain and struggles when possible, but dealing with the best way I know how while focusing on the positive things that I have going for me and just trying to spread some kindness and laughter when I can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 2:44:42 PM #247:	#242 and #243 are hilariously wrong. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956420401] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>#242 and #243 are hilariously wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/24/21 2:54:52 PM #248:	SunWuKung420 posted... #242 and #243 are hilariously wrong. what's wrong about my post --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956420671] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>#242 and #243 are hilariously wrong.</quote>what's wrong about my post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 3:12:33 PM #249:	PunishedOni posted... what's wrong about my post Only rabid dogs can transmit rabies. --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956421114] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>PunishedOni posted... </cite> <quote>what's wrong about my post</quote>Only rabid dogs can transmit rabies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 07/24/21 3:13:25 PM #250:	PunishedOni posted... what's wrong about my post It quoted Sunny. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:956421138] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>PunishedOni posted... </cite> <quote>what's wrong about my post</quote>It quoted Sunny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 07/24/21 3:15:25 PM #251:	SunWuKung420 posted... Only rabid dogs can transmit rabies. right... only the angry dogs can do it. thats the whole point --- hi im chelsea ^__^ 'thou shalt not suffer a dentist to live' - chelsea <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:956421203] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite> <quote>Only rabid dogs can transmit rabies.</quote>right... only the angry dogs can do it. thats the whole point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/24/21 3:25:25 PM #252:	PunishedOni posted... right... only the angry dogs can do it. thats the whole point Angry does not equal rabid. Learn2science --- My theme song - https://youtu.be/uYjM-BuE3Cs <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:956421446] in I'm an ant... [t:79573893]...</cite> <quote>PunishedOni posted... </cite> <quote>right... only the angry dogs can do it. thats the whole point</quote>Angry does not equal rabid. Learn2science </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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