Current Events > I'm okay with humans going extinct because of climate change

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We honestly dont deserve to survive as a species lol.

were straight up awful for the earth. Its too bad we havent figured out intergalactic space travel before everything goes to shit

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Same. Please let it end.

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It's going to be an incredibly long and excruciating process for virtually everyone that isn't a billionaire.

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Hands up everyone who thinks they're surplus to requirements.

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We have survived climate change before. It's gonna have to be really harsh to take us out. Especially now that we have modern technology. We have a chance to endure it.

Still should try to prevent the climate change though. But it may be too little too late

It's not really your average person's fault for climate change though.
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CRON posted...

It's going to be an incredibly long and excruciating process for virtually everyone that isn't a billionaire.

When it gets to that point people won't be saying eat the rich as a joke.

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CRON posted...

It's going to be an incredibly long and excruciating process for virtually everyone that isn't a billionaire.

This, I don't wanna be around for all the rape, murder, slavery, refugee crises, revolutions, famines, droughts, wars, homelessness, unemployment, etc that'll occur. It'll be like when you read about the Black Death or the worst parts of WW2, but happening to you and the whole planet at the same time.

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legendary_zell posted...

This, I don't wanna be around for all the rape, murder, slavery, refugee crises, revolutions, famines, droughts, wars, homelessness, unemployment, etc that'll occur. It'll be like when you read about the Black Death or the worst parts of WW2, but happening to you and the whole planet at the same time.

A new Dark Age

Hopefully I'll be dead by the time the worst of it happens. Kids today may have a shitty adult life though

Smashingpmkns posted...

It's not really your average person's fault for climate change though.

Well, in many small ways it kinda is, as the general consumer mindset/life of a modern person helps push climate change along quicker.

Buying bottled water if you have a clean tap, using disposable anything (masks, plates, forks, etc), buying a new cell phone because it's cheap and yours is 2 years old, not recycling, littering, driving to clear your mind instead of walking, flying across the world for a vacation, etc etc etc.

I have a coworker who genuinely cares about the environment and animals and recycling but she wears a disposable mask that she throws away every single day.

We all make choices everyday that negatively affect climate change to some extent, though the poorest have little choice if they want to survive.

MagnusX posted...

Well, in many small ways it kinda is, as the general consumer mindset/life of a modern person helps push climate change along quicker.

Buying bottled water if you have a clean tap, using disposable anything (masks, plates, forks, etc), buying a new cell phone because it's cheap and yours is 2 years old, not recycling, littering, driving to clear your mind instead of walking, flying across the world for a vacation, etc etc etc.

I have a coworker who genuinely cares about the environment and animals and recycling but she wears a disposable mask that she throws away every single day.

We all make choices everyday that negatively affect climate change to some extent, though the poorest have little choice if they want to survive.

Yup. Also, ordinary people could have risen up and made the heads of polluting companies fear for their lives but we've chosen to be complacent instead. The blame is everyone's to share tbh

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Other species are going to have just as hard, if not harder, a time.

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Youre okay with it?

Antifar posted...

Other species are going to have just as hard, if not harder, a time.

Unless we make attempts to keep them alive, ther will probably be a mass extinction event that wipes out most current species

you guys are too fucking negative and literally nothing like post #9 will happen

get a grip on reality and stop being programmed by doom-scrolling on twitter and reddit, Jesus fucking Christ

read a positive book for a change

https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0525427570

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pure_temper posted...

you guys are too fucking negative and literally nothing like post #9 will happen

get a grip on reality and stop being programmed by doom-scrolling on twitter and reddit, Jesus fucking Christ

read a positive book for a change

https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0525427570

That book has absolutely nothing to do with the specific issue of climate change and doesn't debunk it as a concept, unfortunately

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Antifar posted...

Other species are going to have just as hard, if not harder, a time.

Indeed. Global warming also happens to be "straight up awful for the Earth". So how does someone manage to reconcile being disgusted by humanity's treatment of it with not caring about the consequences?

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Go extinct? No.

Might lose around 1/4 though.

There are no other organisms that have been our size that reached so many billions before, probably.

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Shut the fuck up

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

That book has absolutely nothing to do with the specific issue of climate change and doesn't debunk it as a concept, unfortunately

it explicitly talks about the positive trends in renewables, etc, that are relevant to the question.

and does say that there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic. literally nothing like post #9 will happen unless there's WW3 sometime soon for other reasons. we'll solve climate change and then the major reason for WW3 would be if China really tries to take Taiwan lol. plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the climate itself tho.

for example we're already able to reclaim most farmland via stuff like this coming soon, producing pretty much unlimited food:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/11/20/this-2-acre-vertical-farm-out-produces-750-acre-flat-farms/

let nature reclaim the land and then we have massive carbon sinks emerging all over.

carbon sequestration will be a thing:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4436209-carbon-sequestration-oil-and-gas-industry-goes-green

still lots of active work in fusion producing new progress every year:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a36559078/nuclear-fusion-breakthrough-uk-reactor-experiment/

we will plant a shit ton of trees and let trees grow in reclaimed land:

https://time.com/5883791/planting-trees-climate-change/

people spend too much time doom-scrolling in their little twitter/reddit bubbles/echo chambers (the algorithms keep you trapped inside an echo chamber basically), and not enough time reading optimistic outcomes that challenge the narrative.


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pure_temper posted...

you guys are too fucking negative and literally nothing like post #9 will happen

get a grip on reality and stop being programmed by doom-scrolling on twitter and reddit, Jesus fucking Christ

read a positive book for a change

https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0525427570

So uh, what do you think is going to happen when densely populated portions of the planet become unlivable?

History doesn't paint a very pretty picture of what happens in times of crisis and resource scarcity. Maybe things will be different this time, but I tend to think not.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

So uh, what do you think is going to happen when densely populated portions of the planet become unlivable?

when do you think this will happen by?

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pure_temper posted...

it explicitly talks about the positive trends in renewables, etc, that are relevant to the question.

and does say that there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic. literally nothing like post #9 will happen unless there's WW3 sometime soon for other reasons. we'll solve climate change and then the major reason for WW3 would be if China really tries to take Taiwan lol. plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the climate itself tho.

for example we're already able to reclaim most farmland via stuff like this coming soon, producing pretty much unlimited food:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/11/20/this-2-acre-vertical-farm-out-produces-750-acre-flat-farms/

let nature reclaim the land and then we have massive carbon sinks emerging all over.

carbon sequestration will be a thing:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4436209-carbon-sequestration-oil-and-gas-industry-goes-green

still lots of active work in fusion producing new progress every year:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a36559078/nuclear-fusion-breakthrough-uk-reactor-experiment/

we will plant a shit ton of trees and let trees grow in reclaimed land:

https://time.com/5883791/planting-trees-climate-change/

people spend too much time doom-scrolling in their little twitter/reddit bubbles/echo chambers (the algorithms keep you trapped inside an echo chamber basically), and not enough time reading optimistic outcomes that challenge the narrative.

I mean I hope you're right, but we have about 8 billion people pumping Co2 into the air as fast as humanly possible and a small handful of scientists trying to mitigate this. Co2 PPM is still going up, not down. The trendline says we're probably fucked.

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I mean I hope you're right, but we have about 8 billion people pumping Co2 into the air as fast as humanly possible and a small handful of scientists trying to mitigate this. Co2 PPM is still going up, not down. The trendline says we're probably fucked.

i'm pretty confident. i'm not worried about Co2 PPM right now.

https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk

if it doesn't get solved soon, expect this number to be $500 million

then $1 billion

then $10 billion, etc

unlimited funding is available for startups and companies in this space and they're rushing into it. vertical farming is a great example of it and the efficiency gains from that will be huge.

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We know there are things that can be done to mitigate the damage. We're less optimistic that there'll be a hard and sustained global push to do them before a lot of the damage has been done, because of the tendency to ignore, downplay or shrug off the dangers. It's good that there are carrots as well as sticks, but it's important that these schemes aren't simply fashionable ideas or a drop in the ocean.

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When is it going to end due to climate change? I keep waiting for the big disaster to devastate us, but nothing seems to change.

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Damn, you guys are great sometimes

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there is unlimited money available

if you are genuinely worried about this issue and think we're that fucked, go work in this field. go apply to one of the companies solving the problems I mentioned in post #21

and do a damn good job and give it your all. it's for your own future and your kids' futures. stop being whiny doom-scrollers and lend your time and skills and donate money too

$1 plants 1 tree

https://www.nationalforests.org/donate/plant-trees

sequester your carbon footprint, do something

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Homo Sapiens habitat range:


I think we'll be okay.

pure_temper posted...

do something

Dude, I literally tried that

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me to i am sick of all you human flesh bags

pure_temper posted...

i'm pretty confident. i'm not worried about Co2 PPM right now.

https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk

if it doesn't get solved soon, expect this number to be $500 million

then $1 billion

then $10 billion, etc

unlimited funding is available for startups and companies in this space and they're rushing into it. vertical farming is a great example of it and the efficiency gains from that will be huge.

Capitalism isn't going to get us out of this mess. It's what got us into it and it's the driving force behind it. It's the reason we won't be able to get out of it.

Your only counter to this is a religious faith that capitalism and Science will fix things before it's too late.

Well more has been spent on capture government, science, and media to obscure climate change and the role of industry in causing it than will be spent on fixing climate change until catastrophic things are already happening.


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Questionmarktarius posted...

Homo Sapiens habitat range:


I think we'll be okay.

We won't be ok. We just won't go extinct. Depending on how bad it gets, it's possible most of the world will die. But not all of us

My original post's point wasn't that it's not a big deal. Just that I don't think as a species we will go extinct. But its not going to be fun for most if not all humans in the world

We're honestly just a virus. It's going to take more than global warming to kill us though. Unless a meteor wipes us out like it did with the dinosaurs we will continue to stay a live, but even then there will still be some still alive to continue the species.

As squishy as we are, humans are suprisingly hardy.


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legendary_zell posted...

Capitalism isn't going to get us out of this mess. It's what got us into it and it's the driving force behind it. It's the reason we won't be able to get out of it.

Your only counter to this is a religious faith that capitalism and Science will fix things before it's too late.

Well more has been spent on capture government, science, and media to obscure climate change and the role of industry in causing it than will be spent on fixing climate change until catastrophic things are already happening.

you did nothing to actually address any specific links i shared

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I don't think the concern is the mass extinction of humanity so much as a shitty degradation of the quality of life.

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PSA to doomers: Living is a choice, no one is going to stop you.

pure_temper posted...

i'm pretty confident. i'm not worried about Co2 PPM right now.

Don't give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala
Don't really see what all the fuss is about
Ain't gonna worry 'bout no future generations and uh
I'm sure somebody's gonna figure it out

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Homo Sapiens habitat range:


I think we'll be okay.

Map is trash. It has the interior of Australia as livable.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Map is trash. It has the interior of Australia as livable.

Interior is livable if harsh. A bigger problem is the center of the Sahara desert is marked habitable lmao

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Technology can make all of earth livable

And moon and Mars

in our lifetime

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pure_temper posted...

Technology can make all of earth livable

And moon and Mars

True

pure_temper posted...

in our lifetime

Uh....not so sure on that part

we have anywhere from 50-100 years of lifespan left depending on the average age here

with 2021 technology getting us started, versus what the Apollo missions had

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I'm not so sure even 100 years is enough unless we suddenly massively increase space exploration funding. We were supposed to have humans on Mars by 2000. Didn't happen. I no longer believe in amazing feats like landing on Mars or colonizing the moon even, anytime remotely "soon".

People just don't give space agencies enough funding or respect. The common citizen doesn't understand why it's so important and they vote for politicians who reflect that attitude

I turned 40 a week ago. I predict I have maybe 20 years left. Other people on CE will see more but not by much. The average age now on here I think is 30. Some CEmen and CEgals may live to see people living on the moon in colonies. But if they do, I bet those people will be very old. And probably won't even be able to move to the moon themselves. Just hear about it on the news

The problem with colonializing other worlds is the first people to do it have to be young and fit. Elderly can't make the trip until the location has been utterly dominated by mankind and made safe for all. Nobody on CE today is young enough that they will still be alive by the time anyone can just randomly go to the moon or Mars. None of us will ever get to go into space. Some of our children might though...maybe

SpaceX will get us to Mars in your lifetime unless China starts WW3


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Tyranthraxus posted...

Interior is livable if harsh. A bigger problem is the center of the Sahara desert is marked habitable lmao

Lol fair enough.

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After ages during which the earth produced harmless trilobites and butterflies, evolution progressed to the point at which it generated Neros, Genghis Khans, and Hitlers. This, however, is a passing nightmare; in time the earth will become again incapable of supporting life, and peace will return.
-Bertrand Russell

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pure_temper posted...

i'm pretty confident. i'm not worried about Co2 PPM right now.

https://www.xprize.org/prizes/elonmusk

if it doesn't get solved soon, expect this number to be $500 million

then $1 billion

then $10 billion, etc

unlimited funding is available for startups and companies in this space and they're rushing into it. vertical farming is a great example of it and the efficiency gains from that will be huge.

I don't think throwing money at it is the answer, I think policy action as well as just fucking doing it is the answer

Here's a good article I just read: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/06/climate-change-green-vortex-america/619228/

The gist of it is that we improve these techs not by investing in them, but by implementing them and then improving by doing. Practice makes perfect, and all that.
R&D is useful too, but not as much as practice/incremental improvement.

The question is whether or not we're gonna smarten up in time to save ourselves from a big shitstorm. I'm not sure, because capitalism is constant but human wisdom is intermittent

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