Current Events > Super Mario Bros. (1) vs. Super Mario 64: Which game aged the worst?

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Solar_Crimson
06/22/21 9:51:26 AM
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We're talking the original versions of each game, so the NES version of SMB, and the N64 version of SM64.

But were extremely groundbreaking at the times of their respective releases, but there have been tons of improvements in both 2D platforming and 3D platforming in the time since.

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WrestlinFan
06/22/21 9:53:40 AM
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Id play 64 any day. I know there are plenty of people that dont like the controls of 64, but I have never liked the physics in SMB1.

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Tom Clark
06/22/21 9:55:51 AM
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Honestly, I'd say 64.

The 3D action (and camera) has been refined and improved upon massively over the last few decades, whereas the side-scrolling action of the original - while lacking in the number of available moves - is at heart not noticeably more "old-fashioned" than any 2D platformer today. Basically, on a gameplay/mechanical level there was less in the original game to go wrong or be bettered, so it has weathered the storm more.

Edit: 64 is still a cracking game, though, I'm not slagging it off.

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Choco
06/22/21 9:56:29 AM
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i can't think of many games where the physics feel worse than fucking super mario bros.

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just proves that smb is not truly great

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The Popo
06/22/21 10:00:53 AM
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Even though 64 is my favorite Mario game, Id say that one aged the worse due to the camera and extreme polygon graphics.

That said, I think both have aged quite well for a 36 year old game and a 25 year old game.

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Tom Clark
06/22/21 10:03:19 AM
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The Popo posted...


That said, I think both have aged quite well for a 36 year old game and a 25 year old game.

As an aside, it still blows my mind that they were that close together.

Probably just a sign of me getting older, but 64 still feels relatively recent, haha. I think of it as being closer to Odyssey than to the original.

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masterpug53
06/22/21 10:05:14 AM
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Even in 1987 I never really enjoyed playing SMB1. Every main-series game that came after it from SMB2 onward was infinitely more fun to play.

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GeneralKenobi85
06/22/21 10:21:22 AM
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Neither

However, Super Mario 64 still offers many things that succeeding 3D Mario games do not. The original Super Mario Bros. on the other hand has kind of been obsoleted compared to the other 2D Mario games.

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GeneralKenobi85
06/22/21 10:26:36 AM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
Aging poorly is a meme
This too.

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EndOfDiscOne
06/22/21 10:33:24 AM
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Maybe I play too much Mega Man, but I don't like the physics of SMB. SM64 on the other hand is very fun and satisfying to move around.

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FortuneCookie
06/22/21 10:34:04 AM
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Super Mario 64

Even when it was new, the magic of Super Mario 64 wore off about two-thirds of the way through the game. The more you complete obstacles, the more missions are just "find the random coins / rings / numbers." You can also see, with the benefit of hindsight, that much of it was empty cubed spaces with the occasional spherical enemy. It's still a great game, especially if you stick to the better levels/missions and go straight for Bowser once you have 70 stars, but trying to 100% the game becomes a chore.

Super Mario Bros. has variety and a kinetic energy about it which never lets up. You could play every level from start to finish and never grow bored.
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AlisLandale
06/22/21 10:34:27 AM
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Probably 64, but only because of the camera. Its still tons of fun.

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Tyranthraxus
06/22/21 10:37:15 AM
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64 isn't too great these days but not being able to walk to the fucking left is pretty much the worst aging mechanic of old video games.

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Caution999
06/22/21 10:39:10 AM
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SM64 is one of the few N64 games that have aged with SOME dignity. It has the flaws with the camera, so for that reason, it has aged worse. Though it is still very much playable.

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uwnim
06/22/21 10:39:38 AM
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The can't go back thing in SMB irks me more than 64's questionable at times camera.

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EndOfDiscOne
06/22/21 10:40:43 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
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64 isn't too great these days but not being able to walk to the fucking left is pretty much the worst aging mechanic of old video games.
and game overs that make you completely restart the game

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Seaman_Prime
06/22/21 11:21:07 AM
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i stopped playing the original bros as soon as I realized I couldnt move back left, that just bothers me so much for some reason. And 64 is still one of the best platformers of all time.
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FortuneCookie
06/22/21 12:02:22 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
and game overs that make you completely restart the game

Hold A and press Start to continue from the world you died on.
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FortuneCookie
06/22/21 12:06:46 PM
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Conflict posted...
No it isn't.

It really is. It's a catch-all for anyone who dislikes a classic.
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kirbymuncher
06/22/21 12:07:39 PM
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one of these games is still fun to play, the other isn't really

although I'd blame that less on how the games aged and more that theere have been tons of improvements to the basic smb1 formula over the years with many similar but better games, but saying the same about mario64 is hard

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Guide
06/22/21 12:09:59 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It really is. It's a catch-all for anyone who dislikes a classic.
This just seems like opinion-related defensiveness.

We can look back on things we once thought were good and see how they weren't as good as we thought. This isn't specific to video games.

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FortuneCookie
06/22/21 12:20:27 PM
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Guide posted...
This just seems like opinion-related defensiveness.

We can look back on things we once thought were good and see how they weren't as good as we thought. This isn't specific to video games.

If you say, "I didn't like The Godfather," that's fair.
If you say, "The Godfather aged poorly," that's being pretentious.

It's an attempt to turn an opinion into an objective fact by coming up with a definitive standard of measurement: age.

It's true that some video games have aged. Older games were shorter because of limited cartridge space. That's an objective truth. Some had technical or graphical limitations, sure, but "aged poorly" is mostly just a means of saying, "I have the right opinion."
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Tyranthraxus
06/22/21 12:35:10 PM
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...
art doesnt age. Audiences do.

Art actually literally ages poorly. Well preserved art from antiquity is extremely rare.

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ZevLoveDOOM
06/22/21 12:36:47 PM
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definitely Mario 64. those 3D graphics look as ugly as sin nowadays.

on the other hand, the old school 2D Mario games have this timeless quality to them...
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IShall_Run_Amok
06/22/21 12:42:33 PM
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Definitely 64. It feels like a janky mess today after its successors, whereas SMB1 is still smooth as butter even after numerous superior 2D Mario games.

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Guide
06/22/21 12:46:03 PM
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@FortuneCookie
You're assigning way too much to a term that just shortens what you describe, and your assignment doesn't make sense. You're concerned with people trying to frame opinion as fact, even though you know that is impossible, and, at best, tangential to the subject.

You know what's a shorter way of saying "the period-related factors of this <media> have turned out to be lower quality and/or flawed than originally interpreted?"

It aged poorly. Maybe some people explain themselves poorly, or have a poor understanding of what opinions are, but that doesn't mean it invalidates people using those two words in order to describe a thing.

On top of that: Hardware limitations are hardly the only factors. Game design, code efficiency, camera angles, general style of directing: Some things were always possible even with hardware limitations, but just not figured out until later. Or they were rushed in a way that no one would appreciate for lack of competition at the time.

The most commonly cited factors of game design that aged poorly are lives systems and collect-a-thons. A more specific example would be, say, Jet Set Radio, where, despite the animation and potential control assignment existing, you don't get to choose what tricks you character does.

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LeoRavus
06/22/21 12:47:15 PM
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Mario 64 is unplayable to me now. It was groundbreaking in its day but has been so far surpassed by other 3D games I can't do it anymore.

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radical rhino
06/22/21 12:47:27 PM
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I dont give a shit about N64 graphics. And controlling 3D cameras is second nature to me as someone who grew up gaming in that era. SMB1 isnt that great if youve played SMB3 or World. The things that aged the worst about SMB1 are:
  • lack of midair directional control. This is the biggest problem.
  • not being able to move the screen leftward to backtrack.
  • not much variety in level design.

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GreatGoomba
06/22/21 12:51:09 PM
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Neither imo

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Guide
06/22/21 12:51:50 PM
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radical rhino posted...
lack of midair directional control. This is the biggest problem.
not being able to move the screen leftward to backtrack.
not much variety in level design.

The last criticism is kind of open-ended, you can have that, but the others are actually considered and inherent to the game's design. They knew their limitations, and accounted for them (for the most part).

There's a difference between "the game wants you to do x, but unintentionally obfuscates doing x", and "the game is purposefully made for you to do x under y conditions".

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Webbernet
06/23/21 4:51:47 AM
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I guess 64 aged a bit worse, but they are both games that have aged pretty damn well imo so it's not like one of them hasn't.

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pegusus123456
06/23/21 4:59:38 AM
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Yeah, I don't see how you can look at something like Metroid or Pokemon Red/Blue and not understand how some games aged poorly.

Tom Clark posted...


The 3D action (and camera) has been refined and improved upon massively over the last few decades, whereas the side-scrolling action of the original - while lacking in the number of available moves - is at heart not noticeably more "old-fashioned" than any 2D platformer today. Basically, on a gameplay/mechanical level there was less in the original game to go wrong or be bettered, so it has weathered the storm more.
This tho

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ShyOx
06/23/21 5:00:52 AM
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"There was less in the formula to be done better"

SMB3 comes out

Ah shit

For real though OG SMB was awesome but fucking SMB3 came out on the SAME CONSOLE and is tremendously better with the same limitations. FFS did we even get another mainline game on N64 for Mario?

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catboy
06/23/21 5:02:13 AM
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Personally I feel like SMB aged worse. Super Mario World blew it away into dust, and while it is still fun to play, why play that when you can play SMB3 instead? Mario 64 was a whole castle to explore with different worlds, the 3D games have never really surpassed that feeling.

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Naysaspace
06/23/21 5:16:14 AM
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most N64 games have aged terribly.
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kirbymuncher
06/23/21 11:55:31 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
This tho

I dunno, saying SMB1 is not notably more old-fashioned than 2D platformers nowadays basically makes you sound like you haven't played a 2D platformer since the SNES

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Webbernet
06/23/21 10:52:21 PM
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I mean, it is more old fashioned, bit the parts all still function better than many other more modern platformers that are more complex but not as well put together. The physics, particularly jump physics are the biggest sticking point and I don't think it's because they couldn't make his jump more flexible; it's because making the jump physics more realistic was the trend and there hadn't been the "why not let them change momentum in midair like some kind of impossible nonsense, it works better for the gameplay." revelation that changed everything yet.

When you jumped you were committed, but you could trust how far he would jump, that his behavior was consistent.


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toadfan64
06/23/21 10:56:32 PM
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Naysaspace posted...
most N64 games have aged terribly.

Couldn't disagree more with a post.
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Illuminoius
06/23/21 11:52:23 PM
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mario 64's repetitive level design and mission structure stands out really badly in retrospect and can be pretty tedious
mario 1 has a really heavy jump and the level design is fairly simple but it's a pleasant little game to run through

also what the hell is with all these people pretending not to understand what "aging poorly" refers to
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DarkChozoGhost
06/23/21 11:58:40 PM
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64 is a lot more appealing to replay today.

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